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Chris Peterson53 Chris Peterson53 Active Member
114 messages
joined Dec 2010
#121 ·
Steven Lopez19;9111975 said:What now? Left you speechless...?????[/QUOT

Oh, Steven Lopez19—did you seriously miss the point? He went straight to the bank to secure his funds (he even made sure we all knew he’s financially independent, didn't he?) just so I'd understand exactly who holds the cash and how it was earned. He needs silence so he can focus on paying back his loans, but apparently, that's my fault—because the people on this forum just "don't get him." According to him, we're all just small-minded, unrefined, uneducated trolls. Typical.
coppergardener coppergardener Active Member
137 messages
joined Jun 2006
#122 ·
Look, my friend—even if you were handed a magic shot on a silver platter, do you honestly believe that would be the end of the addiction? I truly believe that emotional dependency is a far more complex beast than physical craving. When it comes to the latter, a person can become attached to anything at all. A vaccine isn't going to shift your fundamental outlook; it won't change who you are at your core. Sure, perhaps it might help you get back on track enough to function temporarily, but... for how long?

And frankly, excuses are what I find most difficult to stomach. Take my brother, for instance—he’s cycled through countless hospitals (where, quite frankly, they mostly just made things worse for him), and I lost count of how many times he agreed to enter a rehabilitation center only to flee. He’d hitchhike home after just three days because he realized he actually had to learn to appreciate what he was given—that he had to wash his own dishes, that he had to actually get off his butt in the morning. There were wonderful people there; there was so much he could have learned—but every single time, he quit because he felt it was too "grimy," because he "had to work," or because nobody there was willing to tolerate his aggression. And so, here we are: a thirty-year-old man sitting at home like a corpse. He has no friends left—and no, they didn't abandon him; they kept showing up, over and over... he's the one who pushed them away. All he has left are pills, the television, his own internal terror, and, of course, those debts he'll never actually settle. My brother has cancer, Mom is fragile and working all day, I'm stuck in university and completely overwhelmed—my health is honestly failing from the sheer stress of it all. If I end up in surgery, heaven knows who will be left to look after me. So, I am heading out now to make an appointment with a psychiatrist.
slywolf45 slywolf45 Regular
299 messages
joined Apr 2016
#123 ·
Chris Peterson53 said:Personal choice
freedom of decision
You throw these lofty terms around, and then suddenly, you're arguing that society should hand out free vaccines to strip away your precious "personal choice." Hypocrite!

The only vaccine society should be distributing for free as a preventative measure is:
a vaccine against people like you!


Not every addict—no, just hypocrites exactly like you! You who dare to lecture an addict—someone who understands their fate and their children's future—by suggesting, with total cynicism, that their mother should take the hit instead: "Let her be tested, since addicts clearly know best!"
You want to wrap yourself in the cloak of Robin Hood, playing the hero for "rights" that essentially advise people to stay addicted just so they can feel "enlightened" (evolved, right?)—but in reality, you're just a common social parasite trying to pass off your parasitic existence as some superior art form of living!

I second everything said here..👍

Now he’ll probably claim it’s his "free choice" to get off the horse, just as he "chose" to be on it in the first place..
But I say this: fine, go ahead and choose how you get down. You knew exactly what the consequences of drug use were, so now you can face them head-on..
Roger Evans Roger Evans Member
22 messages
joined May 2008
#124 ·
Chris Peterson53 said:Personal choice
freedom of decision
You throw these lofty terms around, and then suddenly, you're arguing that society should hand out free vaccines to strip away your precious "personal choice." Hypocrite!

The only vaccine society should be distributing for free as a preventative measure is:
a vaccine against people like you!


Not every addict—no, just hypocrites exactly like you! You who dare to lecture an addict—someone who understands their fate and their children's future—by suggesting, with total cynicism, that their mother should take the hit instead: "Let her be tested, since addicts clearly know best!"
You want to wrap yourself in the cloak of Robin Hood, playing the hero for "rights" that essentially advise people to stay addicted just so they can feel "enlightened" (evolved, right?)—but in reality, you're just a common social parasite trying to pass off your parasitic existence as some superior art form of living!

🙏 👏 👋
Noah Sanchez7 Noah Sanchez7 Regular
276 messages
joined Dec 2007
#125 ·
Steven Lopez19 said:So, what happened? Totally lost for words, huh...?????

Did I ever say that moderation wasn't necessary, Steven Lopez19?
Everything requires balance, even the small stuff.
Noah Sanchez7 Noah Sanchez7 Regular
276 messages
joined Dec 2007
#126 ·
Chris Peterson53;9112558 said:
Steven Lopez19 said:So, what happened? Totally lost for words, huh...?????

Listen, you stubborn idiot, I'm taking out a loan to start a legitimate business venture.
And from those profits, I'll pay off the debt and buy enough "peace and quiet" to go stick a needle in my vein ten times a day.

You moron, blinded by stereotypes and prejudices, things aren't always what they seem.

I suggest you find yourself a local dive bar instead.
slywolf45 slywolf45 Regular
299 messages
joined Apr 2016
#127 ·
Noah Sanchez7 said:Listen, you stubborn idiot, I'm taking out a loan to start a legitimate business venture.
And from those profits, I'll pay off the debt and buy enough "peace and quiet" to go stick a needle in my vein ten times a day.

You moron, blinded by stereotypes and prejudices, things aren't always what they seem.

I suggest you find yourself a local dive bar instead.

And then they have the nerve to call me the unpleasant one...😕
Steven Lopez19 Steven Lopez19 Member
43 messages
joined Jun 2007
#128 ·
Noah Sanchez7;9113560 said:
Chris Peterson53 said:Man, you’re clearly out of your mind if you think taking out a loan to start some random business is a genius move.
And then you plan on using the profits to pay off the debt while spending all your cash on junk and shooting up ten times a day? Nice.

Dude, you're so blinded by these outdated stereotypes that you can't see reality.

Maybe go hit up a local dive bar instead.


Go ahead, buddy... just keep dreaming.

Don't stop at ten times a day—since you're such a big-shot "entrepreneur," I guess you can afford to go all out...

p.s. You really think things are just going to be sunshine and rainbows the second you open your doors?
I just hope we don't run into each other in a few months when you're drowning in debt and looking for advice on how to fix it.
Noah Sanchez7 Noah Sanchez7 Regular
276 messages
joined Dec 2007
#129 ·
slywolf45 said:I second everything said here..👍

Now he’ll probably claim it’s his "free choice" to get off the horse, just as he "chose" to be on it in the first place..
But I say this: fine, go ahead and choose how you get down. You knew exactly what the consequences of drug use were, so now you can face them head-on..

I second this.

I made my own choices and had a pretty good idea of what I was getting into. If I want to go to a rehabilitation center, I will.
And if I don't, that's also my call.

I don't see the issue, unless everyone here just lost their cool like that one user with the "violent" avatar..?
Noah Sanchez7 Noah Sanchez7 Regular
276 messages
joined Dec 2007
#130 ·
I just wanted to say this to clear up any stereotypes: being an addict doesn't automatically mean you're unintelligent.

That way, we won't be unfairly blaming everything on drugs.👍
Harold Flores4 Harold Flores4 Member
20 messages
joined Oct 2008
#131 ·
Noah Sanchez7 said:Did I ever say that moderation wasn't necessary, Steven Lopez19?
Everything requires balance, even the small stuff.

Honestly, it feels like you’re just here to play games and entertain yourself, because all you’ve really done is read a bunch of books and watch movies instead of living life. When it comes to being an addict, there isn't really such a thing as "moderation." You can't seriously sit there and tell me that someone struggling with heavy substance abuse can think clearly or act responsibly in every single situation life throws at them. This woman mentioned earlier how happy she is just to have a healthy kid, but what happens if, heaven forbid, that child gets seriously ill? Would she even be able to function properly then? And what about when the kid grows up and real responsibilities and heavy problems start piling up—I really wonder how strong and capable she’ll actually be then. I know what little kids are like, and I know what teenagers are like too. With a toddler, sure, you let them run around, dress them up, take them to the park, or sit on the floor playing Legos... but what comes after that? I truly don't understand how you're allowed to keep posting this kind of nonsense. People are reading this, including kids like my own son! It’s honestly terrible.
Steven Lopez19 Steven Lopez19 Member
43 messages
joined Jun 2007
#132 ·
Noah Sanchez7 said:I just wanted to say this to clear up any stereotypes: being an addict doesn't automatically mean you're unintelligent.

That way, we won't be unfairly blaming everything on drugs.👍

Honestly, I don't think that's the case either, but let's be real—if you're chasing a high, you aren't exactly focused on your career goals.

Look, I’ve met plenty of people who struggled with addiction, got clean, and are living totally normal lives now. Some are still hitting up a rehabilitation center periodically... and I actually hang out with some of them...
And I'll tell you, they are genuinely great people—smart, hardworking, and solid...
It’s just a shame you couldn't say that about them before they got their act together. That's just how it is.
George Davis6 George Davis6 Active Member
53 messages
joined Jun 2007
#133 ·
Noah Sanchez7 said:I just wanted to say this to clear up any stereotypes: being an addict doesn't automatically mean you're unintelligent.

That way, we won't be unfairly blaming everything on drugs.👍

IMHO, every addict is a stupid addict... because if they weren't, they wouldn't be an addict in the first place! 😎
Gerald Ward61 Gerald Ward61 Active Member
79 messages
joined Jun 2007
#134 ·
George Ramirez11 said:Look, if social services had actually suspected for a second that my kid was unhappy or that I wasn't doing a good job, they would have snatched them away. Instead, they just believe me blindly—they assume I'm clean because the kid is smiling and happy and I look totally normal. So, please, don't jump to conclusions before you know anything.
Second thing: Everyone keeps talking about "slowly dying." My dad died from throat cancer—smoking, obviously—so I guess it's all my fault because he didn't have enough guts to just quit due to some "stupidity or weakness," right?? It’s awful; I watched him literally starve because the chemo burned his throat out. Maybe they should have taken custody from him then!?
Or... if I had AIDS, would it be my own fault for not telling my partner to use a condom?? And now I'm slowly dying... do I need to lose my child again???
Let's be clear, I've hit rock bottom more times than I can count. Like Noah Sanchez7 said, I seriously ran out of veins to use; even now, during pregnancy, they were pulling blood from my toe because they couldn't find a vein in my arm or neck. Now I use my nose, so I can't overdose easily, though sometimes there are days when I just take some Hep or Sbtx. So, this is a far cry from those days when I didn't even care if I woke up in the morning. You might think I'm just venting, but I know how I feel now compared to back when I used to take Prozac and Xanax and beg for the crying to stop like I was in an Ariel commercial.
Also, the state basically gives me permission to take whatever pills I want. Seriously, my social worker told me: "Go see a psychiatrist and let them cocktail you; if they have to prescribe 15 different types of meds just to make you feel like you're flying, so be it. You aren't pregnant anymore, after all!" Isn't that just hilarious and hypocritical?
Third thing—rehab isn't for everyone, and a therapist once told me that exact thing. I've already mentioned that unfortunately, I see more and more people sliding back into their old ways after years in recovery. Because what comes after? Don't underestimate the role of the state. Not everyone has the luxury to "change their environment," move away, and whatever else. I don't live in a massive metropolis where moving to a different neighborhood means nobody knows you. Hell, I have problems with a landlord who blames me for every single lightbulb that burns out in the hallway. Apparently, it's my fault because of some "sick or deviant" reason I have!!! It would be lovely if I could volunteer and help others, or if I had the money to start my own business for people like me... but I have to work to survive.
Fourth thing—my kid cries so hard on the other side of the door when I go to pee—which takes maybe a minute, bless them—that it takes me another half hour just to calm them down afterward.
And finally, the fifth thing—I'm sure you'll all have another thousand pieces of advice, but everything is so much easier in theory than in practice. Besides, rest assured, I have heard everything. Every single thing. I KNOW all of it! That's why I said at the beginning that I'm looking for support and encouraging words more than advice, because I doubt any more tips are going to help me much.
I'm not ungrateful, and I always hope someone will just pull a magic wand out of thin air and make everything easy, but... I have to do this myself. I wanted to be honest and feel a little bit of outside love because, like everyone else with problems, I am alone. At least for now, while the little one doesn't realize anything, and I won't let them ever feel my struggles.

Why would someone so smart, warm, and brilliant fall so hard for drugs?
The kid... after reading all that, I'm thinking about this:

...you'll get through this period, little guy... having a "perfect" mom under "support"... listen, I believe it's "heavenly"... because with a vibe like that, the kid is "blessed" too... but honestly, I'm more worried about the withdrawal period (you have to protect that little one... because there's no heaven there) and then that stretch leading up to the "golden era"... the kid grows up seeing "shooting"... so it becomes normal for him... there's a huge chance he'll try it... and an even bigger chance he'll keep going (he's even got indirect support)... and you've worked so hard to make sure he has everything... will you be able to survive this...

...but then again, if he never even gets a shot at living before passing away early... what kind of life would that even be? Just pain... pure pain... and there’s something else too... the shame of letting your parents down... if you end up in this spot because of your situation... I’m positive you won't be able to live with that. Right now, he is your entire world... and that’s exactly what gives you the grit to face your flaws and all that suppressed agony...

Despite everything you're going through... I can tell you have STRENGTH... because not every "addict" mom acts the way you do. To me, it sounds like you're just a traveler who lost their way... and honestly? It's time to find a compass (life has a funny way of handing them to you when you least expect it...!) and just start moving, even if you're crawling... because that's how those first "giant leaps" actually begin...

You aren't meant for a life like this... I know that for a fact!
Come on, lady... make that kid proud! 😘
George Ramirez11 George Ramirez11 NewcomerOP
7 messages
joined Jun 2007
#135 ·
I’m honestly not even sure who I should start quoting first... the one who prioritizes a predator over someone struggling with addiction, or the healthcare worker who clearly couldn't care less—because apparently, addiction isn't a disease, it's just some mindless, shapeless mass of people having a blast... or maybe it's the same person? I've stopped paying attention. I don't know why only 1% of people bother to step up when it's actually this simple. And what would be the point of me confessing? I just wanted to get it out there. It's pretty clear that nobody here (with the exception of those few who actually tried to offer something useful) can help me. I'll admit, I probably titled the thread wrong.
Nobody needs to worry about my child, let alone you guys. I feel my own pain plenty well enough, and my kid is this constant little angel whose pain I feel down to my very soul if they so much as scrape an elbow. God knows what other kind of pain exists.
Do you really think you have it all figured out just because you spend your days handing out tips to junkies? I'm not even going to go there.
I’m not looking for excuses, mostly because I haven't lost my mind—I see zero reason to justify myself to anyone HERE. I don't know why I would. Just because rehab isn't for everyone doesn't mean it's a magic fix; I was told that myself at a rehabilitation center, and I see crowds of people every single day who head straight back to their old habits the moment they walk out the doors. Most of the things you call "excuses" actually end in a question mark, if you'd bother to notice. At the end of the day, it comes down to willpower, and there's really no debate there.
Stay healthy, and I truly DON'T want any of you to see an addict when you look at your own children, because NO ONE is immune to darkness. But I DO want you to learn to think differently, even if it hurts or makes you miserable while your perspective shifts.
I never forced my opinion on anyone. I came here looking for support, and instead, I got pelted with stones. People called me an idiot who refuses to get clean, said I should have my child taken away, wished that my son would look at me with disgust, or hoped I’d drop dead within a year... I'm sorry I even sought you out. You really think you're the first ones to try using insults and aggression?
My only consolation is knowing that you either have no clue what you're talking about or you simply aren't thinking. You certainly don't know anything about me.
Go ahead, keep arguing and feeding each other's stubbornness and stupidity. I'm going to move on and look for help within myself and from people who actually give a damn.
Shame on you. Now you can go back to spitting on the depressed, the anxious, and the potentially suicidal... because I guess they're just more "idiots" who refuse help, right?
P.S. Again, thanks to the exceptions who offered supportive words, links, etc. That’s really all I was looking for. I've cried enough in my life that I'm not going to let some internet posts break me.
slywolf45 slywolf45 Regular
299 messages
joined Apr 2016
#136 ·
Look... here's a bit of hard truth. At the end of the day, you're the only one who can actually help yourself. This forum, as much as we all care, simply isn't going to do it for you.

And regarding what I said about outpatient Hep C treatments... my point was simply that I don't support that specific approach to care. I've seen far too many people lose their lives because of it—just recently, a woman only 32 years old passed away, leaving two young children behind. That’s why I find that whole methodology so unsettling. If you think I'm only saying this because I work in a clinic, you're mistaken. I've had far too many close encounters with that particular tragedy to be anything other than certain about what I'm talking about, okay?
Roger Evans Roger Evans Member
22 messages
joined May 2008
#137 ·
George Ramirez11 said:I’m honestly not even sure who I should start quoting first... the one who prioritizes a predator over someone struggling with addiction, or the healthcare worker who clearly couldn't care less—because apparently, addiction isn't a disease, it's just some mindless, shapeless mass of people having a blast... or maybe it's the same person? I've stopped paying attention. I don't know why only 1% of people bother to step up when it's actually this simple. And what would be the point of me confessing? I just wanted to get it out there. It's pretty clear that nobody here (with the exception of those few who actually tried to offer something useful) can help me. I'll admit, I probably titled the thread wrong.
Nobody needs to worry about my child, let alone you guys. I feel my own pain plenty well enough, and my kid is this constant little angel whose pain I feel down to my very soul if they so much as scrape an elbow. God knows what other kind of pain exists.
Do you really think you have it all figured out just because you spend your days handing out tips to junkies? I'm not even going to go there.
I’m not looking for excuses, mostly because I haven't lost my mind—I see zero reason to justify myself to anyone HERE. I don't know why I would. Just because rehab isn't for everyone doesn't mean it's a magic fix; I was told that myself at a rehabilitation center, and I see crowds of people every single day who head straight back to their old habits the moment they walk out the doors. Most of the things you call "excuses" actually end in a question mark, if you'd bother to notice. At the end of the day, it comes down to willpower, and there's really no debate there.
Stay healthy, and I truly DON'T want any of you to see an addict when you look at your own children, because NO ONE is immune to darkness. But I DO want you to learn to think differently, even if it hurts or makes you miserable while your perspective shifts.
I never forced my opinion on anyone. I came here looking for support, and instead, I got pelted with stones. People called me an idiot who refuses to get clean, said I should have my child taken away, wished that my son would look at me with disgust, or hoped I’d drop dead within a year... I'm sorry I even sought you out. You really think you're the first ones to try using insults and aggression?
My only consolation is knowing that you either have no clue what you're talking about or you simply aren't thinking. You certainly don't know anything about me.
Go ahead, keep arguing and feeding each other's stubbornness and stupidity. I'm going to move on and look for help within myself and from people who actually give a damn.
Shame on you. Now you can go back to spitting on the depressed, the anxious, and the potentially suicidal... because I guess they're just more "idiots" who refuse help, right?
P.S. Again, thanks to the exceptions who offered supportive words, links, etc. That’s really all I was looking for. I've cried enough in my life that I'm not going to let some internet posts break me.

I think you've said your piece, and that's really the only way forward for you.
When you post a thread like this on a forum, you should expect people to give you their honest thoughts—and yeah, you probably won't like some of them. I don't see why anyone should be ashamed or hide anything.

Don't get mad, but it's hard to expect the majority to back you up given the situation. That's not about being closed-minded or stupid; it's just common sense and logic. And it's not personal—nobody knows you here, so people are just reacting to what you wrote. A kid can't have a mother who's using, no matter how well she manages her daily responsibilities. Those are just facts.

Anyhow, it's a huge deal that you're actually aware you have a problem and are trying to fix it.
From the bottom of my heart, I hope you do what's best for you and your little angel!!😘
GOOD LUCK!!🙂
Chris Peterson53 Chris Peterson53 Active Member
114 messages
joined Dec 2010
#138 ·
up99;9113560 said:
Chris Peterson53 said:You’re a complete moron—clueless and thick-headed—thinking you can take out a loan just to kickstart some "entrepreneurial venture."
And then what? You plan on using the profits from that business to pay back the debt while spending the rest on stuff to shove up your vein ten times a day?

Listen, you idiot, blinded by stereotypes and prejudices: life isn't nearly as simple as you think it is.

Maybe try visiting a local pub instead...

🤣 🤣
Wow, genius, someone's got some frayed nerves! And in the meantime, you went out and grabbed some stuff, so now you've got holes burned into your brain? Is that what this is—some sort of "enlightenment" or higher consciousness? Because from where I'm sitting, it looks like the raw primitivism of your actual personality is just leaking through!

Here is the text from your post 91114:
I'm heading down to the bank to grab a loan—I've got my eye on some good stuff!

Go see an ophthalmologist, because my avatar clearly shows a noble mare...😁
As far as calling people idiots or whatever other names you want to throw around goes... I always go by the old American rule:
It doesn't matter what is being said, it matters WHO is saying it!
Check out this new terminology for drug dealing: Entrepreneurship!🤣
Noah Sanchez7 Noah Sanchez7 Regular
276 messages
joined Dec 2007
#139 ·
Steven Lopez19 said:Honestly, I don't think that's the case either, but let's be real—if you're chasing a high, you aren't exactly focused on your career goals.

Look, I’ve met plenty of people who struggled with addiction, got clean, and are living totally normal lives now. Some are still hitting up a rehabilitation center periodically... and I actually hang out with some of them...
And I'll tell you, they are genuinely great people—smart, hardworking, and solid...
It’s just a shame you couldn't say that about them before they got their act together. That's just how it is.

When are you guys finally going to... Do you see what I mean? 😠 😠 😠
I'll be driven by my cravings for drugs, while you all chase a new Mercedes-Benz or a massive plasma CNN.

What's the damn difference?
Roger Evans Roger Evans Member
22 messages
joined May 2008
#140 ·
Noah Sanchez7 said:When are you guys finally going to... Do you see what I mean? 😠 😠 😠
I'll be driven by my cravings for drugs, while you all chase a new Mercedes-Benz or a massive plasma CNN.

What's the damn difference?

Whatever...
all I want in this life is my peace and my health.🧐

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