Turns out Marshall was an even bigger player than we thought

The guard standing outside Marshall's doors told me, "Go ahead, he's expecting you." But once we stepped inside... nothing. Just an empty room. From the next door over, all I could hear was this heavy breathing and screaming, mixed with the sound of a bed frame creaking like crazy. The screams kept getting louder, and that damn bed sounded like it was about to snap in half... sounds like whoever was in there might not have made it through the night.

copperpilot10 said:The guard standing outside Marshall's doors told me, "Go ahead, he's expecting you." But once we stepped inside... nothing. Just an empty room. From the next door over, all I could hear was this heavy breathing and screaming, mixed with the sound of a bed frame creaking like crazy. The screams kept getting louder, and that damn bed sounded like it was about to snap in half... sounds like whoever was in there might not have made it through the night.

It’s no surprise this forum is crawling with old-school socialists.

Dammit, Ri§, you're back at it again 🤣

Bigger than we thought? Fix your head, man. How much bigger can some guy be after he completely trashed the entire former region?

Bradley Nelson2 said:Bigger than we thought? Fix your head, man. How much bigger can some guy be after he completely trashed the entire former region?

And just how exactly did he screw it up?

honestly, I'm curious about that too...

Sure, most people would call that his greatest achievement, but if you ask me, he just gutted the American anti-fascist movement and paved the way for communism to take root.

Bradley Nelson2 said:Sure, most people would call that his greatest achievement, but if you ask me, he just gutted the American anti-fascist movement and paved the way for communism to take root.

And what exactly would that be...? You didn't actually commit to an answer, since you just mentioned how he totally trashed the entire landscape of the former America...

Yeah, because he basically dragged communism across the entire territory of America. 🙄
And let's not even get started on the Americans who were killed after the war, or all the property that was stolen through nationalization—stuff that, of course, never gets returned to its rightful owners.

Who's stealing from who here? Seriously, he just stripped property away from private owners and handed it right over to the common Americans

Don't try to act stupider than you actually are. There isn't much room left for acting anyway.

honestly, I have no clue who's been feeding you all this nonsense...

just ask yourself 👍

Honestly, if FDR is even half as good as people say, he’s the ultimate legend in my book. After him, there wouldn't be any point in anyone else.

Bradley Nelson2 said:Yeah, because he basically dragged communism across the entire territory of America. 🙄
And let's not even get started on the Americans who were killed after the war, or all the property that was stolen through nationalization—stuff that, of course, never gets returned to its rightful owners.

Look, personally, I’d take communism over fascism any day of the week. Besides—and this is just my take—we never actually dealt with "classic" communism here anyway. If you had been living in somewhere like Czechoslovakia or Canada back then, I'd love to hear if you'd still be complaining about the specific flavor of communism we had to deal with.🙄

Yeah, he was a real legend 🙄
He just exploited the people who were fighting fascists—most Americans fighting fascism back then weren't communists by any stretch—and used all that suffering, blood, and death to grab power for himself and push communism. They weren't fighting for an ideology; they were just fighting against fascism. I'll let you guys decide how much evil that actually is. I didn't live through that era in the US or anywhere else, so...

Bradley Nelson2 said:Yeah, because he basically dragged communism across the entire territory of America. 🙄
And let's not even get started on the Americans who were killed after the war, or all the property that was stolen through nationalization—stuff that, of course, never gets returned to its rightful owners.

Listen, maestro, where exactly did you see communism? On the Sinai before the year 2000? Seriously??? His whole thing ended in a total embarrassment. And stop talking nonsense—restitution for seized property has been happening steadily for about 15 years now. Hasn't it? (That’s assuming you're even a Bishop, though you might just be some low-level church official for all I know).😉

Bradley Nelson2 said:Yeah, because he basically dragged communism across the entire territory of America. 🙄
And let's not even get started on the Americans who were killed after the war, or all the property that was stolen through nationalization—stuff that, of course, never gets returned to its rightful owners.

give me a break. wars in this part of the world are a constant, while ownership issues are... let's just say they vary. btw, you're talking about Nazis and their collaborators, not the massive number of Americans who actually fought for the partisans...

and one more thing, you're pissed at FDR just because he set up a communist state... ignoring actual terminology (since "communism" has historically been used to describe various versions of personalized "anti-bourgeois, people's" rule, which showed up in America as Titoism), you're oversimplifying things big time. You're missing the whole geopolitical mess of the era... seriously, what choice did we even have back then? FDR did the best he could with the hand he was dealt, turning a small nation into a respectable regional power capable of standing up to—get this—Stalin!!

as for the crimes (which I'm not justifying, btw) and the political purges, you gotta realize that winners ALWAYS abuse their power. The system was what it was, dammit. Just look at what was happening elsewhere in the world... compared to them, FDR was a lightweight... look at de Gaulle's purges of collaborators, the Soviet-controlled regimes in Eastern Europe, the systematic human rights violations in the USA (especially against racial minorities), or the crimes committed during American "local wars" abroad...

FDR was the best possible solution at the time. What happened after he died is a whole different story...

btw.

with Marshal FDR

1:25 min, 1.29 MB

I haven't stumbled upon this specific version anywhere else yet. I only found the vocal track online... eeee, but here you have the full orchestra... 😉

Who’s actually coming back? Most of it was sold off to private interests by the government ages ago anyway. People might hold out hope for some kind of financial settlement, but it won't come anywhere close to being worth a damn.

Beef. It’s all we ever talk about. Everyone’s got an opinion, everyone’s looking for a fight. Just another day in the digital trenches. kaže:
Regarding the crimes—which I’m not trying to excuse, by the way—following the war and the political purges, you have to realize that the winners always abuse their power. The system was what it was. Honestly, just look at what was happening elsewhere in the world back then. Compared to those guys, FDR was a saint.

Winners always abuse their power once they take over. I hate to admit it, but I agree. That doesn't make what they did any better, though. They’re criminals, plain and simple. Any debate about it ends right there.

Beef. Always back to beef. It’s the same old arguments, just different faces. I remember sitting in a diner in Chicago back in '98, watching two guys yell over a plate of steak about politics that didn't matter. People never change. They just find new ways to be loud. kaže:
FDR was the best possible solution back then. What happened after he passed away is a completely different story.

Look, I don't know. It’s not like people actually had much of a choice, right? We don't exactly have a crystal ball to see how things might have played out if we'd gone a different route.