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briskgull27 briskgull27 RegularOP
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#261 ·
Brenda Cook4 said:Someone mentioned Laing, Cooper, Foucault...👍

Madness is permanent revolution in the life of a person. Sometimes this revolutionary process becomes evident as a major change in the way that we live, a change in the direction of greater autonomy that may be accomplished without the intervention of other people, but sometimes it becomes socially visible as a crisis in which other people intervene.

Cooper / The Language of Madness

Exactly, exactly, absolutely true.
Honestly, I just had an MRI done and everything came back perfectly normal. So, does that mean I'm actually crazy since my brain is technically healthy?🤣 🤣
Brenda Cook4 Brenda Cook4 Regular
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#262 ·
So, you finally got that MRI done and everything came back clear?👍
briskgull27 briskgull27 RegularOP
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#263 ·
Absolutely👍
Brenda Cook4 Brenda Cook4 Regular
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#264 ·
The Langov perspective:

- The ultimate form of power held by any social group is the "power to define reality." It’s always the dominant group doing the defining—men toward women, white people toward Black people, the wealthy toward the poor, or the "sane" toward those they label as mentally ill...

As Friedenberg puts it regarding the work of the Laing, "the way in which experience is validated or rejected by powerful others—typically parents—is the key to how a personality develops later in life."

Langov:
He doesn't believe there is anything wrong with him.
But here is the catch:
one of the actual issues
he is facing
is precisely his belief that nothing is wrong with him.
So,
our job is to help him see that
his refusal to acknowledge any problem
is actually one of the core problems
he needs to address...

'When I Use a Word,' Humpty Dumpty Said, in a rather scornful tone, 'It means just what I choose it to mean. Neither more Nor less.'
'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things.'
'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'who is to be master. That is all.'
😉
briskgull27 briskgull27 RegularOP
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#265 ·
Well, I hear you, but honestly, knowing all that doesn't stop me from holding my own perspective, 😂 😂 😂

And regarding what you mentioned about people being unclear—I totally get it. Sometimes when you give someone a simple "yes" or "no," they still can't wrap their heads around it, let alone anything more complex.

I’d love to claim I’m being wise here, but this is really just something borrowed from Buddhist philosophy:
You can't truly understand heat until you've felt the cold.
You don't know hunger until you've experienced fullness.
You don't grasp poverty until you've known wealth.
And so on.
And so on.


Have you noticed how much Laing resembles John Nash? At least, based on his photo on Wikipedia.
Taylor Howard36 Taylor Howard36 Active Member
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#266 ·
Regarding those test results you mentioned the other day—the ones you were waiting on—was that from the MRI?
Gerald Rivera60 Gerald Rivera60 Active Member
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#267 ·
I’ve gone ahead and tidied up the thread to clear out the clutter...
Regarding insulin therapy for schizophrenia, here is an informative Wikipedia link for those interested:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulin_shock_therapy
You can also find some additional details on the subject here:
http://www.critpsynet.freeuk.com/Moncrieff.htm
Nicholas Peterson Nicholas Peterson Member
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#268 ·
Insulin therapy should have been phased out ages ago

@ briskgull27, you seem a little unhinged to me—not quite schizophrenic, but definitely off
briskgull27 briskgull27 RegularOP
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#269 ·
Nicholas Peterson said:Insulin therapy should have been phased out a long time ago

@ briskgull27, you seem a little bit irrational—not quite schizophrenic, though.

Do you think I'm manic?
Schizoaffective disorder is actually a combination of bipolar disorder and schizophrenia.
Dear Mad, I was receiving ECT.

Perhaps I just need to scale back on my antidepressants.
Nicholas Peterson Nicholas Peterson Member
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#270 ·
"Manična" feels like a more accurate term here. You’re using a way too predictable approach for someone who is genuinely psychotic
briskgull27 briskgull27 RegularOP
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#271 ·
Nicholas Peterson said:Actually, "manic" is a much better term. Your approach to "true" schizophrenia is just too predictable.

Well, that’s just my little brain working overtime, haha!
Honestly, look at these doctors—that lady was totally off base with the F20 diagnosis.
The real powerhouse gave me an F25 without needing an F20.
I swear, sometimes I feel like giving up because my ultimate dream is just to take a trip down to South America.
It feels like society puts so many limits on people like me.
My uncle was actually a teacher back in high school in Canada, and he used to tell me:
"Talk less, and write more."
So, I once wrote a three-page short story for him, and then my cousin asked me, "Wait, did you really write this?"
I guess that's just that classic Canadian politeness for you.🤣

Wait a second, what makes you say my approach is so predictable? Are we talking about true schizophrenia?
Could you please explain that?🙂
briskgull27 briskgull27 RegularOP
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#272 ·
Aha, well, I am on medication.
If I were having a psychotic episode, I wouldn't be sitting here typing away on my keyboard, would I?😛
Nicholas Peterson Nicholas Peterson Member
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#273 ·
Most psychiatrists seem to have this fundamentally flawed approach—it’s as if they assume their patients are just completely delusional or out of touch with reality. In truth, the vast majority of people seeking help have an incredibly sharp sense of their own situation and where they actually stand. Most doctors simply fail to recognize this because they tend to look down on them, treating them as less capable than they truly are.
briskgull27 briskgull27 RegularOP
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#274 ·
Nicholas Peterson said:Most psychiatrists have the wrong approach, acting as if their patients are just completely delusional. In reality, most patients have a very clear understanding of their own situation. Most doctors fail to realize this because they tend to look down on them.

That is absolutely spot on. My therapist looks me right in the eye and basically tells me, "I don't know why, but just go ahead and drink!!" It feels like she’s just trying to wrap me up in the best possible way to get things over with. So now
what I decide to do with my life once I stop seeing her is none of her business.
It really isn't; she has 500 other patients to deal with, she isn't a computer.
briskgull27 briskgull27 RegularOP
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#275 ·
So, let’s talk about the life of John Nash. He really is such a fascinating figure.
There's that moment where he keeps his head down, they ask him what the future holds for the world, and he just says: "Well, the way things are now, nothing good."
That's how the movie wraps up. His wife, who has Spanish roots, has put on quite a bit of weight by then.
In the end, all those people were actually his true friends.
After the divorce, Nash was essentially homeless, but she actually let him stay with her.
He also has another son from a different marriage, though I can't remember if he deals with schizophrenia too.
The narrator mentions that Nash stopped taking his medication back in 1970 and hasn't touched them since. He looks thinner and taller than Russell Crowe, with a balding head and a long face.
He looks like he's just thinking to himself: "Who cares what any of you think?"
The film shows some real hospitals that look like places anyone would recommend for a mental reset—much better than visiting a state facility in Los Angeles or a local psychiatric ward. But they don't allow much more than visitors.
He started out in a high-end, fancy hospital, but it eventually became clear he needed something more intensive.
A huge portion of the story focuses on his game theory, the Nash equilibrium, and the Nobel Prize
that he eventually receives, because his whole life was driven by the desire to be someone truly special.
Isn't that something most of us strive for, too?
😘
Brian Moore2 Brian Moore2 Active Member
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#276 ·
Here’s how things looked for me at the start; I’m copying this from an old thread on the Health forum 😁

Back in 1996, I started receiving psychiatric treatment for PTSD. I was plagued by restless dreams and couldn't catch any sleep. The doctor diagnosed me with PTSD, which led to a two-month hospital stay where I was prescribed Lexapro three times a day at 1 mg. After I was discharged, I actually felt fantastic, so I stopped taking the pills altogether. I honestly thought I was cured. I went to the local YMCA every single day to swim, doing hour-long sessions without stopping. I could have gone longer, but I just didn't know what else to think about while swimming; everything felt perfect. Then, one day at the pool, my godmother's best friend showed up. We swam together every day, chatted, and relaxed in the jacuzzi—it was great. Then, I stumbled upon that ancient internet forum and started posting. At the time, there were no moderators, so people were posting all sorts of intense stuff about the war; some guy named Uzdanica kept posting various combat photos, and it really messed with my head. The atmosphere on the forum started feeling exactly like the tension right before the war broke out back in '91. I felt like I was reliving 1991 all over again. I actually felt like someone could see me through the computer monitor. Everything got blurred—the internet, the TV, reality itself—I couldn't tell what was actually happening. I had this overwhelming sensation that I was being watched and wiretapped. Suddenly, even the woman at the pool became suspicious; I felt like she had been intentionally sent to tail me. One day, I was watching a football game, and something felt off. I noticed a player had a large "G" on his chest, which signaled to me that I needed to check the goalie. When I looked at the goalie, he was wearing a black jersey with the General Motors logo on it. Since the woman from the pool drove a General Motors car, it clicked in my mind: someone had killed her to protect me because the goalie was wearing black. I felt terrible for her, but I figured it was just one of those things that has to happen—even if it means murder. She stopped showing up at the pool, but since I didn't know she had actually flown to Germany to visit her mother, I genuinely believed she was dead. While driving, I started interpreting every license plate in my own special way. For example, "BJ" meant *Bail, Jump*, "CJ" meant *Check, Just wait*, and "BO" meant *Be Okay*. It was fine, though, given my username was Al Bundy. I spent my time driving aimlessly around the outskirts of cities like Indianapolis or Columbus. I would shadow cars that seemed suspicious to me. I was having hallucinations; for instance, in a small town near Springfield, I saw a billboard for a massive shark I had seen online, even though such an advertisement doesn't exist in real life. At night, I’d drive everywhere—from suburban neighborhoods to downtown Chicago and beyond. When I drove into a major city like Chicago, I had this gut feeling the police would be waiting for me. But when I reached the city limits, the entire road was covered in strange black hieroglyphs. In some spots, there were dead chickens on the street; I swerved my car to avoid them because I feared hitting them would bring some kind of curse upon me. I drove through hilly residential areas outside the city and then descended into the urban center. I pulled up to a wall, got out, walked the whole perimeter reading names written on it, and suddenly a lightbulb went off in my head telling me I had to go home. I got back in the car, but I couldn't find a way out of the city. I tried pulling into hospital entrances three different times, wondering why I was even there, before turning around and leaving. Eventually, the police pulled me over. They were checking something over their walkie-talkies, but then they just let me go. I asked them for directions back toward Indianapolis, and they helped me out, so I headed home. I was tailing a specific car, and as they sped up, I sped up too. Suddenly, a foul smell filled my car. The faster I hit the gas, the worse it smelled; when I slowed down, the smell lessened. To me, that was a sign that following that car was wrong. As soon as that car disappeared from the road, the smell vanished too. I made it back to my area around 6 AM. I slept for a bit and then headed to the pool. While swimming, I found myself singing: *"Fly, golden-winged bird... my homeland calls me and for it I shall die..."* Suddenly, the pool felt like a spy nest; I felt like my life was in danger. I went home, grabbed my handgun, loaded a round in the chamber and 15 in the magazine, and headed to the pool in the middle of the night. I was hunting spies. The pool was so crowded that I realized if I started firing, I’d definitely kill someone. But since nobody looked suspicious, I just went home. For a few days, I walked around town carrying the gun. I felt like someone was watching me through a sniper scope, ready to take the shot at any second, but I didn't care. My phone and washing machine were being repaired at home, and I was convinced someone had installed bugging devices in them. I threw the phone in the trash and loaded the washing machine onto a trailer to dump it at a landfill. There was an empty tractor trailer parked there, and I thought it was specifically placed there for dumping trash. I tossed the washer in and headed home. On the way, I saw a tractor missing a front wheel. Thinking about how I wouldn't need a spare tire in my brand-new car, I turned back and tossed my spare tire into the trailer. I figured if I ever got a flat, I could just grab a tire off the road and hijack someone else's car. Suddenly, it hit me: I am invincible. I can't even die, so why do I need a gun? I left it at home and stopped carrying it. I also felt like I could control the weather; even in November, it felt like spring to me. I'd drive around in short sleeves. I felt like I was Jesus—that I could raise people from the dead and that I had to die to save humanity, knowing I would just come back to life anyway. One morning, while driving, things took a turn. The parking lots were completely empty. The light was red at a signal, I let off the gas for a split second, and then I floored it, slamming straight into oncoming traffic. After crashing into two cars, I climbed out of my vehicle and started shouting at the intersection. I felt like I had died, yet here I was, alive. I tried to get into someone else's car, but the driver locked the doors. A police officer approached me and demanded to know why I was making a scene. Right then, I ripped the hat off his head and told him, "You don't work for the police department anymore. You're fired." The officer actually started shaking with fear, so I just handed him his hat back. Then, a civilian rushed up and punched me square in the head (I later found out he was SWAT). A fight broke out with the police, though honestly, they mostly just beat me up. I ended up in a psychiatric ward, strapped to a bed for a month. From the moment I arrived, I was suspicious of one patient because he looked like a cop; I thought they had planted him in my ward to watch me. Once I was released, everything bothered me—the sound of the streetcar, the fear of logging onto forums, etc. I was on various meds: Lexapro, then later Moditen, Aketon, and Amyzol. I couldn't sleep, my heart was racing uncontrollably, and I felt like I had brain tremors. Eventually, things stabilized.

It’s been seven years since then, and honestly? I’m doing fantastic now. 😁
Nicholas Peterson Nicholas Peterson Member
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#277 ·
My heart was pounding out of my chest from the Lexapro—I had to stop taking it almost immediately because I felt like I couldn't catch my breath, and my legs felt completely numb from the knees down.
Brenda Cook4 Brenda Cook4 Regular
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#278 ·
No123 said:Here’s what happened with me back in the day, copied from an old thread on a health forum 😁

Back in 1996, I started receiving psychiatric treatment for PTSD. I was plagued by restless dreams and couldn't sleep to save my life. My doctor diagnosed me with PTSD, which led to a two-month hospital stay where I was taking 1 mg of Xanax three times a day. After being discharged, I felt fantastic—better than ever, actually—so I stopped taking the pills altogether. I honestly thought I was cured. I went to the local pool every single day to swim; I’d pull an hour and a half straight without stopping. I could have gone longer, really, but I just didn't know what else to think about while swimming. Everything felt perfect. Then, one day at the pool, I ran into my godmother's close friend. We started swimming together every day, chatting, hanging out in the jacuzzi... it was great. Then, I stumbled upon this ancient internet forum and started posting there. Back then, there were no moderators, and people were posting all sorts of intense stuff about the war. Some guy would post these jarring combat photos that really messed with my head. The vibe on the forum started feeling way too much like how things felt when the war first broke out in '91. I felt like I was reliving that entire era all over again. It got to the point where I felt like someone could see me right through the computer monitor. Reality, TV, the internet—it all blurred together. I couldn't tell what was real anymore. I had this constant sensation that I was being watched and bugged. Suddenly, even my friend at the pool became suspicious; I felt like she had been sent specifically to track my every move. One day, I was watching a football game on TV and something felt off. I noticed a player with a large letter "G" on his chest, which signaled to me that I needed to check the goalie. When I looked at the goalie, he was wearing a black jersey with the General Motors logo on it. Since my friend drove a General Motors car, it clicked in my mind: someone had killed her to protect me because the goalie was in black. I felt terrible for her, but I figured it was just one of those things you have to accept—sometimes you just have to die. She stopped showing up to the pool, but since I didn't know she had actually moved to Germany to visit her mom, I genuinely believed she was dead. While driving, I started interpreting every license plate in my own weird way. For example, "BJ" meant *Bježi* (Run), "CJ" meant *Čekaj još* (Wait more), and "BO" meant *Bez oboljenja* (No illness)—which was fine, considering my username was Al Bundy. I spent my days driving aimlessly around the outskirts of cities like Chicago or similar areas. I’d tail cars that seemed suspicious to me. I was having hallucinations, too; once, in a small town near a suburb, I saw a billboard for a massive sturgeon I’d seen online, even though that advertisement didn't actually exist. At night, I’d drive everywhere—small towns, rural routes, even making trips into major cities like New York or LA. When I headed into the big city, I felt like the police were waiting for me. As I reached the city limits, the road looked like it had been defaced with strange black hieroglyphs. In some spots, I saw dead chickens on the road and swerved to avoid them because I was terrified that hitting them would bring bad luck upon me. I drove through hilly residential areas before descending into the city center. I ended up at a perimeter wall, got out of the car, walked the whole length of it reading names inscribed there, and then a lightbulb went off in my head telling me I had to go home. I hopped back in the car, but suddenly, I couldn't find my way out of the city. I tried pulling up to three different hospitals, wondering why I was even there, before turning around and leaving. Then the police pulled me over. They were checking something over their radio, but eventually, they let me go. I asked for directions back toward my home area, they helped me out, and I headed off. I was following this one car, and as it sped up, I sped up. Suddenly, a foul smell filled my car. The faster I hit the gas, the worse it smelled; when I slowed down, it lessened. To me, that was a sign that following that car was wrong. Once the car disappeared from the road, the smell vanished too. I made it back home around 6:00 AM, slept a little, and then went back to the pool. While swimming, I started singing: *"Let the golden-winged bird fly... my homeland calls me and for it I will die..."* Suddenly, the pool felt like a spy nest. I felt like my life was in danger. I rushed home, grabbed my handgun, loaded it up—one in the chamber and fifteen in the magazine—and went back to the pool in the middle of the night looking for spies. The pool was so crowded that I realized if I started shooting, I’d definitely kill someone. But since nobody looked suspicious, I just went home. For a few days, I walked around town carrying the gun. I felt like someone was watching me through a sniper scope, ready to take the shot at any moment, but I didn't care. My phone and my washing machine were being repaired at home, so I assumed someone had installed bugs in them. I tossed the phone in the trash and hauled the washing machine off to a local landfill on a trailer. There was an empty tractor trailer parked there, and I thought it was specifically placed there for dumping trash. I tossed the washer in and headed home. On the way, I saw a tractor missing a front wheel. I thought, *Why do I need a spare tire in my car?* (My car was brand new, not even a year old), so I turned around and threw my spare tire into that trailer. I figured if I ever got a flat, I could just grab someone else's tire off the road. Suddenly, it hit me: I was invincible. I couldn't die, so what did I even need a gun for? I left it at home and stopped carrying it. I even felt like I could control the weather; in the middle of November, it felt like spring to me. I’d drive around in short sleeves. I felt like Jesus—that I could raise people from the dead and that I had to die to save humanity, knowing I’d just come back to life anyway. One morning, while driving through the city, things got weird. The parking lots were completely empty. I hit a red light, eased off the gas for a second, and then floored it, slamming straight into two cars. After the crash, I climbed out of my car and started shouting at the intersection. I felt like I had died, yet here I was, alive. I tried to get into someone else's car, but the driver locked the doors. A police officer walked up and asked me what my problem was. Right then, I snatched the hat off his head and told him, "You don't work for the department anymore. You're fired." The cop actually started shaking, so I just gave him his hat back. Then, a bystander stepped up and clocked me right in the head (I later found out he worked in SWAT). Things turned violent, and the police beat me up. I ended up back in the psych ward, strapped to a bed for a month. From the moment I checked in, I was suspicious of another patient because he looked like a cop; I thought they had planted him in my ward to watch me. Once I finally got out, everything bothered me—the sound of the streetcars, the fear of logging onto a forum, everything. I was on a cocktail of medications: Lexapro, then later Moditen, Akineton, and Amyzol. I couldn't sleep, my heart was racing like crazy, and I felt like my brain was vibrating. Eventually, things stabilized.

It’s been seven years since then, and honestly, I’m doing great now 😁

😘 First off—I want to thank you for fighting the good fight. Because of what you went through, I can finally sit here and write this all out in peace 😁 🙏

I’m truly glad to hear you’re doing better... and looking back at everything we survived, I can’t help but think that sometimes, when life hits you with those incredibly heavy, crushing situations, the only way through is to actually live through them!

I just don't get why people look at seemingly irrational behavior without considering the context it happened in... instead, they treat it like an isolated incident—and then try to fix it exclusively with pills, which, let's face it, often come with their own set of nasty side effects!?
mistyscout2 mistyscout2 Active Member
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#279 ·
briskgull27, from what I can gather, you seem much more grounded—honestly, just healthier—than most people out there. Most folks today feel either completely brainwashed, totally ignorant, or they're just stuck in these tiny, ridiculous little lives thinking they're somehow important when they lack any real soul or depth. They're just spiritually empty, if you know what I mean.
I try really hard not to be the type of person who jumps to conclusions based on a sliver of experience or some random thread online, but certain things are just plain obvious once you see them.

I don't really subscribe to the whole debate over what's "sane" versus what's "crazy" enough to write endless essays about it; it feels like a waste of breath. You either get it or you don't. Besides, plenty of actual experts have already covered all that ground, and since I see Brenda Cook4 is already familiar with the guys I mentioned, well, kudos to you, Brenda Cook4 👍 ...

"Heroes don't need guns or pistols; they just need a pure heart and the courage to face anything!" 😉
briskgull27 briskgull27 RegularOP
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#280 ·
Brenda Cook4 said:😘 First off, thank you for fighting the good fight so that I can finally sit here and write all this out in peace.😁 🙏

I am so glad to hear you’re doing better... honestly, when it comes to those incredibly heavy life experiences, maybe the only way through them is to actually live through them!

I just don't get why people look at seemingly irrational behavior without considering the context in which it happened... instead, they treat it like an isolated incident—something to be treated exclusively with pills, especially when those meds come with such harsh side effects.


Regarding those charts and data points, I lose my train of thought every single time, but then I quickly tell myself, "Never mind, just keep moving."
But there is one real reason why it is so difficult to struggle with mental health:
1. Once you've been labeled, it's almost permanent.
2. After that, nobody ever looks at your actions objectively again. They won't see the cause; they'll just say, "He lost it,"
or "Oh, he's just being an eccentric artist"—instead of saying: you know what, let me explain what she was actually going through.

At the end of the day, isn't human society the ultimate benchmark for what we call "normal"?😲 🤣

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