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Schizophrenia - General Discussion

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Brenda Cook4 Brenda Cook4 Regular
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#301 ·
There’s a massive overlap here with what we consider the "typical" population, especially since most research focuses on individuals with extensive histories of drug therapy. But here's the kicker: psychiatric journals haven't really dug deep enough into whether the medications themselves might actually be triggering these neurological changes.

That said, the data shows that a huge chunk of people experiencing a psychotic episode don't respond to meds at all. On top of that, a significant number of patients relapse even while staying on long-term prescriptions (clinical trials show relapse rates hover around 30%), and just like anyone else, they might exhibit antisocial behavior when they aren't in the middle of an active psychotic break.

Whether you call them "major tranquilizers," "neuroleptics," or "antipsychotics," these drugs are the backbone of schizophrenia treatment. They're marketed as targeted tools against delusions and hallucinations, but skeptics argue they work through much blunter means—essentially acting like a chemical lobotomy or a pharmacological straitjacket that shuts down all creative thinking.


We really need to revisit the absolute disgrace faced by the scientific community back in 1949 when
Moinz was awarded the Nobel Prize for lobotomy (it's estimated over 50,000 people underwent the procedure in the USA, and in Japan, there were even suggestions at the time to lobotomize "troublesome" children...)


And look at this:

The Defeat Depression Campaign (DDC), which kicked off in 1992 was put together by the American Psychiatric Association in partnership with the American College of General Practitioners and backed by big pharma money. Their literature paints a picture where roughly 10% of the population struggles with depression at any given moment, one-third will face it at some point in their lives, and antidepressants are the go-to solution for anyone with moderate to severe symptoms. It feels like they're trying to claim that a huge portion of human misery is purely biological and can be "fixed" just as easily. The hype machine around the newer antidepressant fluoxetine (Prozac) hasn't been much better, with people claiming it can actually reshape your personality or improve your entire quality of life.

Then there's the fact that—I can't recall if it was Canada or a specific US state—a court actually managed to win a lawsuit banning forced medication.

briskgull27
In reality, I had an MRI and everything came back perfectly normal. So, does that mean I'm actually crazy because my brain is healthy?

Where is this global surge in depression and other mental health issues coming from? Maybe the real cause is the world around us—the madness we live in and our struggle to adapt to it. It seems like a deeply complex issue, yet it's so much easier to label it a bio-genetic disorder than to actually address social and family breakdowns. To me, the ideas proposed by Laing and his circle sound far more grounded than this current trend...
Besides, isn't it obvious? We are being medicalized for almost everything nowadays. Who stands to profit from that?
mistybison mistybison Regular
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#302 ·
Brenda Cook4 said:Where is this global surge in depression and other mental health disorders coming from?

Is this happening globally, or is it specific to the West? It would be fascinating to compare different cultural environments. I recall an old forum discussion suggesting that brain scans show Buddhists possess the "healthiest" brains. While I am unsure how much those studies have been verified, if they hold true, they certainly open the door to some great discussions.

...perhaps the cause lies in the world around us, the madness surrounding us, and our ability to adapt to it...

It might also stem from the massive gap between actual reality and the unrealistic expectations we are fed from early childhood.
Brenda Cook4 Brenda Cook4 Regular
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#303 ·
Statistics tell us one thing....it’s almost a certainty that in massive, bustling metropolitan areas—where stress levels are through the roof, life moves at breakneck speed, and people feel increasingly isolated from their families and support systems—mental health struggles tend to show up much more frequently.

When you look at developing nations with sprawling cities... I honestly don't know how much of this actually gets reported there, or what those percentages even look like.

But regardless of the specifics, everything keeps pointing back to the same conclusion: we aren't just dealing with some isolated "psychotic" individual who suddenly became "unusual" in a vacuum, completely detached from their surroundings.
briskgull27 briskgull27 RegularOP
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#304 ·
crimsonhound80 said:Here’s my take on why psychotherapy isn't effective for people with schizophrenia:

To build on that article, about 90% of people diagnosed with schizophrenia show enlarged latent ventricles in the brain on an MRI. 🙂

I have to say, though, psychotherapy actually works quite well for me on a very direct level—advice leads to action, and so on.
If I don't follow my psychiatrist's advice, it’s simply because I choose not to.
My MRI results came back perfectly fine. I had the scan done in the basement at the local Mayo Clinic facility. Does that sound right?

I honestly struggle to tell the difference between what's important and what isn't.

If we want to solve the mystery of my schizophrenia, look no further than my grandmother. My mom's mother went through three major bouts of depression in her life: first, when she was a young woman.
2. Then in 1995—after losing her daughter back in 1985,
she was looking after me and my brother while taking medications like Paxil
and a few others, before eventually returning to a normal state.
3. And now, she's struggling with depression again, taking Eglonyle, Paxil,
and Cipralex—it's a lot, and she's constantly canceling things...
She doesn't carry herself like someone with a mental illness because she's never been hospitalized.
It seems I clearly inherited this mess from her. 🙂 🙂 🙂
darkeagle5 darkeagle5 Member
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#305 ·
briskgull27 said:We really need to emphasize the S T I G M A involved here. It manifests in ways like people actively hiding things from you because they think you're "crazy"—as if you aren't capable of handling reality—or shielding you from difficult conversations under the guise of protecting you from stress.
Everyone, from your inner circle to the random neighbor down the street, starts hovering and asking about your mental state. It’s as if suddenly everyone in town thinks they’re a medical expert just because they don't deal with schizophrenia.

You honestly won't believe this... I have an uncle who lives with schizophrenia, and during one heated argument, someone actually turned around and called me a schizophrenic too. And we're living in the 21st century, for heaven's sake. That tells you everything you need to know about the stigma. People can be truly pathetic sometimes...
briskgull27 briskgull27 RegularOP
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#306 ·
darkeagle5 said:You won't believe this... I have an uncle with schizophrenia, and during one argument, they actually called me schizophrenic myself. And we're living in the 21st century! That's just how much stigma there still is out there. People can be so pathetic sometimes..

I totally believe you.
Right before my grandfather passed away, he got so heated during an argument once that he yelled: "Schizophrenic!"
I was actually hanging out on a trip to Maui with a friend named Sandra from San Diego at the time.
Sending my best to San Diego!
Honestly, I feel for everyone back in the islands!!!!!!!!
ha ha ha ha ha ha
Now nobody is going to show up because they think I'm some mass murderer.😂 😂 🙂 😉 👏 🙏 🙏
Ashley Morgan Ashley Morgan Member
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#307 ·
briskgull27 said:is on eglonyle

Man, if there’s one thing that actually made me feel like death, it was definitely eglonyle. 👎
It was just constant misery. I couldn't get two weeks of decent sleep without feeling completely wiped out, and the sweating was unreal because eglonyle totally wrecks your hormones. Honestly, I'm pretty sure that's why they didn't approve it here in the USA. 😠

At the end of the day, I told myself I'd rather deal with anything else than suffer through that stuff, so I just tossed the whole bottle in the trash 😬 and, lo and behold, I started feeling better immediately. My sleep schedule is totally back on track now—which is probably why I’m sitting here typing this at 5:30 in the morning. Maybe I'll actually manage to catch some Z's in an hour or two. 👍
briskgull27 briskgull27 RegularOP
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#308 ·
Giko said:Man, if anything ever made me feel truly terrible, it was Eglonyl. 👎
I felt sick all the time—couldn't sleep for two weeks straight, felt completely exhausted, and was sweating constantly because Eglonyl just messes with your hormones. I'm pretty sure that's why it wasn't approved here in the States. 😠

In the end, I told myself I'd rather not take anything at all than suffer through that, so I just tossed it in the trash 😬 and honestly, I've felt so much better since. My sleep schedule is totally back on track, which is why I’m posting this at 5:30 in the morning—maybe I'll actually catch a few more hours of sleep in an hour or two. 👍

Ohoho!
That is such helpful information.
Though, personally, I feel like I'm a bit of a Jekyll and Hyde situation
and my grandma is always the Hyde side.🙏
darkeagle5 darkeagle5 Member
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#309 ·
I honestly can't shake the feeling that the diagnosis they gave my uncle wasn't even entirely accurate—mostly because he just accelerated the whole downward spiral with his drinking. It wasn't even "normal" alcoholism, either; he was essentially poisoning himself. This was ages ago, back when I was just a little girl, and I remember them putting him on some medication called Antibus, but he just kept drinking right through it until he finally lost himself completely. He checked all the classic boxes for schizophrenia, sure, but I still have these nagging doubts that the doctors missed the mark. Now, he’s stuck in a long-term care facility indefinitely, and his intellect has been completely eroded—it's heartbreaking, really, considering he used to be a highly skilled mechanical engineer. Now, he can barely read a basic sentence.
Rebecca Flores5 Rebecca Flores5 Member
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#310 ·
Normal. said:Here’s my take on why psychotherapy doesn't cut it for those dealing with schizophrenia:

We now have evidence regarding genetic predispositions for schizophrenia. Essentially, an individual might carry a specific gene that can be triggered by unknown factors, leading to the onset of the disorder. It tends to run in certain families. While the risk increases if one or both parents have been diagnosed, it isn't a guaranteed fate for their children.
Schizophrenia might just be a breakdown in communication between the temporal and frontal lobes, combined with some frontal lobe atrophy. You also see this characteristic drop in metabolic activity within the frontal region—what they call hypofrontality.
Biochemical theories suggest this disorder stems from an imbalance of neurotransmitters within the brain. Essentially, these chemicals act as messengers, passing signals from one neuron to the next.
Research suggests that a schizophrenic brain struggles to process data correctly or filter out noise. Patients end up drowning in a sea of trivial details while completely missing the forest for the trees. The reason for such flawed information processing is purely chemical, and... Structural brain disorder.
The neurodevelopmental hypothesis regarding schizophrenia is quite relevant today. It posits that the condition is essentially a brain development disorder. During prenatal development, faulty connections form between neurons. These miswired pathways remain undetected until adolescence. They are incredibly subtle shifts, yet once the disorder takes hold, they manifest across various behavioral aspects.
The theories linking schizophrenia to viral or autoimmune causes are becoming increasingly outdated.


To add to this article, about 90% of schizophrenics showed enlarged latent ventricles on their MRIs. 🙂

Let me tell you one thing—neurology and neuropsychiatry aren't exact sciences to me. Sure, some things are established and certain enough that a treatment method is considered "proven," but it’s mostly just a bunch of people talking in circles. All that fluff they use in their sentences? Words like "maybe," "it could be," "perhaps"... honestly, it drives me absolutely insane.
To me, a real doctor is one who actually admits when they don't have all the answers regarding complex brain processes. I have zero respect for those who play the intellectual giant only to end up solving absolutely nothing. I’ve lost count of how many people I know who were slapped with ten different diagnoses, only for every single one to be questionable, before finally being told: "Just come back for a follow-up if you feel like it."
When it comes to neurology, let’s be honest: most theories are still just floating in mid-air. We actually know surprisingly little about the specific processes and reactions happening inside the brain.
briskgull27 briskgull27 RegularOP
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#311 ·
darkeagle5 said:I honestly think the diagnosis they gave my uncle wasn't even entirely accurate, mostly because he masked everything with alcohol. He wasn't just a heavy drinker; he was essentially poisoning himself. This was a long time ago when I was just a little girl, and I remember they gave him some medication called Antibus, but he kept drinking right after, and eventually, he just lost himself completely. He had all the classic symptoms of schizophrenia, but I still have my doubts about whether the doctors got it wrong. He’s been hospitalized indefinitely, and his intellect is just gone—he used to be a highly skilled mechanical engineer, and now he can barely read or write.


At the end of the day, isn't the root of all this just basic human fear?
I actually know Shizic, who never even took medication, yet he's clearly not okay.
We've spent plenty of time grabbing coffee and hot dogs together.
I once went on a date with Shizic in Los Angeles, and I wasn't scared of him at all.
I've even played chess with veterans in downtown Chicago.
One time, things were so quiet that he stopped by the psych ward just to say he was heading home to see his wife.
A close friend of mine even has an assistant in medical school who deals with schizophrenia.
That idiot Bleuer really messed up when he coined that specific term.
Personally, I prefer the word "crazy"—it just sounds more natural, doesn't it?
😍 😍 🙏
darkeagle5 darkeagle5 Member
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#312 ·
Lud, I suppose... you have a point there... it just seems like some people get treated a whole lot better than others, doesn't it? 😬 😬 😬
briskgull27 briskgull27 RegularOP
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#313 ·
darkeagle5 said:Crazy, I guess... you have your own way of looking at things... some people just see it differently than others.😬 😬 😬

YOUR STANDARD IS THIS: You're completely out of touch with reality.
I mean, if you get drunk, throw up, and break a friend's stuff, that's just a wild night.
But if you start attacking your own brother because you think he's an alien? That's a whole different level.
darkeagle5 darkeagle5 Member
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#314 ·
👏 😂 That was a stellar response, really 😂
darkeagle5 darkeagle5 Member
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#315 ·
I actually found myself laughing... because when things land somewhere between absurdly ridiculous and genuinely terrifying, you might as well choose to laugh👍
Brenda Cook4 Brenda Cook4 Regular
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#316 ·
briskgull27 said:He’s definitely the one! The criteria? Honestly, you’ve gotta be completely out of touch with reality.
So, let me get this straight: you get trashed, throw up everywhere, and then go ahead and smash your buddy's face in, and suddenly everything is just fine? Seriously?
Look, if you go swinging at your own brother just because you've convinced yourself he’s some kind of extraterrestrial, you aren't exactly winning any awards for sanity.

The real question here is—what kind of defense mechanism is actually driving that kind of projection? It’s almost like a psychological survival tactic. Maybe it’s just how some people cope when they hit a wall; when certain truths become too heavy to carry, they project them outward instead. It’s like a way of "going crazy" just to navigate a situation they simply can't accept.
briskgull27 briskgull27 RegularOP
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#317 ·
Brenda Cook4 said:The real question is—what kind of defense mechanism causes someone to make a projection like that? Perhaps it’s just a way for people to cope when they can't accept certain realities; going "crazy" becomes their way of handling the situation.


👏 👏 🙂 Well, bravo!
I honestly think there’s a solid 50% chance my brother is actually an alien.
Since I have nothing against aliens, it wouldn't bother me,
but if I start believing he's actually my dad, that might actually hurt him.
briskgull27 briskgull27 RegularOP
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#318 ·
If you ask me, here is why madness takes hold: the body tries to protect itself because it simply can't handle the weight of reality, the way the world actually functions and eventually snaps.
When you can't find an escape, sometimes madness is the only place left to go.
Brenda Cook4 Brenda Cook4 Regular
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#319 ·
I'm right there with you on this... mostly because I don't buy for a second that this kind of "madness" just drops out of thin air. It’s clearly a reaction to...
briskgull27 briskgull27 RegularOP
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#320 ·
Brenda Cook4 said:I’m right there with you... I just don't believe "madness" just happens out of thin air. It's always a reaction to...

👏 👏 👏 🧐 is simply how people react when they can't handle or understand the chaos surrounding them.

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