Are vegetarians actually smarter?

Rachel Martinez11 said:If you’re interpreting my point about collective amnesia and how easily people can be manipulated that way, then I can't say I'm surprised by your outlook—it seems like there's a fundamental disconnect in how you perceive things. Or maybe I'm wrong. Perhaps it's just a matter of intelligence. Did one of your ancestors happen to be a vegetarian?

If you're the same person who was posting in that other thread about meat eaters, then I suspect you actually know deep down—even if you won't admit it—that you're just talking nonsense here. It's just hard for people to let go of their convictions, isn't it?

That kind of fanaticism, I've noticed, usually stems from fear.

Look, if you want to be a vegetarian, go for it—that's great. But attacking people simply because they eat meat is foolish, unkind, and solves absolutely nothing—in fact, it probably makes things worse. It's honestly irrational and doesn't make the world any better than it already is...

Rachel Martinez11 said:Was that referring to my account?

No—where I quoted you, it was definitely about your account.😁

No ...it’s often said that thinking is... knowing.
Feelings, however, are a far more nuanced matter.
As I mentioned earlier—and I suspect not everyone possesses the same emotional depth—trying to debate someone who lacks that spectrum of feeling is essentially like having a conversation with a tree.

Taylor Campbell4 said:Well, if you’d just look a little closer—or perhaps find some more reliable sources that actually address these issues clearly—it would be obvious. I mean, it should be pretty clear by now. 😕 If animals don't have their own individual karma—and let's face it, they wouldn't have a source for it anyway—then they must share a collective one instead.

They don't even possess individual souls—it’s all just one collective consciousness for the species. That’s a tough concept to wrap your head around—honestly—but when it comes to this whole karma business... well, if anyone actually understands how that works, it applies to me quite easily.

A shared karma—and a shared soul.😕
You have to be kidding me—right?😕
It stands to reason that people share a collective karma—and honestly, aliens probably do too.😕

Taylor Campbell4 said:If you're the same guy who was posting in that other thread about slaughterhouses, then I think you already know—deep down, even if it’s just a nagging feeling—that you're talking nonsense here. It's just hard for some people to break free from their own convictions.

That kind of fanaticism... it usually stems from fear, if I recall correctly.

Look, be a vegetarian if you want; there's nothing wrong with that. But attacking people just because they eat meat is mindless, it's rude, and it doesn't solve a damn thing. In fact, it probably just pushes people further away. It's irrational, and honestly, it makes the world a worse place than it already is.

First off, calling someone's argument "nonsense" is pretty low, especially when those arguments are actually logical and haven't targeted anyone.
Second, I haven't attacked a single soul, which suggests your interpretation of this conversation is leaning a bit toward the paranoid side.
Third, if you can't maintain a level of basic decency, I'm going to treat you like an internet troll. Engaging in personal jabs is just a massive waste of my time.

Thomas Stewart97 said:No—to be thinking isn't quite the same as knowing.
Feelings, however, are a much more nuanced thing.
As I mentioned earlier, I suspect not everyone possesses the same emotional spectrum—which makes trying to debate someone who lacks that depth feel a bit like talking to a tree.

You have feelings, thoughts, and intuition.
Each step becomes less clouded by illusions, whereas intuition is purely truthful—though feelings are often practically deceptive. To me, intuition isn't just another "feeling." Besides, there isn't really a hard line between a thought and a sensation; most people can't pinpoint where one ends and the other begins.

So... the way you disqualify your conversationalists actually speaks to the quality of your feelings—not your intuition or the logic of your thoughts, but specifically the quality of those feelings.

You just have this gut feeling that you're right without being able to explain why, and honestly, you could probably just spin that any which way.

If you truly had intuition—which is also something people often mistake for mere emotion because it's just an innate "knowing"—you would be able to back it up logically. That's because intuition operates on a level even higher than thought, and so on.

Taylor Campbell4 said:You have feelings, thoughts, and intuition.
Each successive layer is less clouded by illusions—intuition is purely truthful. Feelings, however, are practically nothing but falsehoods. For me, intuition isn't just a "feeling." Furthermore, there really isn't a hard line between thoughts and feelings—nobody can truly draw a firm boundary there.

So... the way you dismiss other people actually reveals the quality of your feelings—not your intuition or the caliber of your thoughts, but specifically the quality of your feelings.

You just have this gut feeling that you're right—without even knowing why—and you can easily spin that into any excuse you want.

If you actually had intuition—which is something you simply *know* (and that's why it gets confused with mere feelings)—you would be able to explain it logically. After all, intuition operates on a much higher level than thought, etc., etc.

Oh, okay.🙂

Thomas Stewart97 said:Look, the world wasn't exactly designed for pure leisure.

But then what's the point? At the end of the day, it all boils down to us being happy or at least satisfied.
Are you seriously out here manufacturing this miserable little reality where you can't even enjoy yourself?
I mean, something's definitely off with your logic there.

Thomas Stewart97 said:The whole point is that these poor animals suffer for nothing, just so you guys can enjoy gorging yourselves on carcasses.😱

Maybe start by actually learning what a carcass even is.
It sounds like you were raised on nothing but scraps, so now you’ve developed a weird vendetta against meat.
Honestly, your logic is pure fanaticism—you're stuck looking at things through this one narrow lens.
You don't seem interested in anyone else's perspective; you just loop back to that same tired sentence every single time, which, if I'm being real, isn't much of an argument at all.

So, here's what the latest studies are suggesting... apparently, our cravings for meat are actually tied to our blood type. I’d love to hear what the vegetarians think about this before they start lecturing us on the ethics of eating animals, since for most of us, it feels pretty much hardwired into our biology... sorry, I couldn't be bothered to translate the full English text myself

Those with Type O (about 46% of Americans) represent the oldest genetic lineage, meaning they practically need meat on the table every single day just to satisfy those ancient hunter-gatherer instincts... They probably ought to steer clear of oats, wheat, and most grains too, considering those agricultural staples didn't even exist back when the O group first showed up.

Then you have Type A (40% of the population), who evolved alongside the rise of farming societies, making a vegetarian lifestyle their best bet.

Type B (10% of the population) cropped up as people started migrating into much colder, more unforgiving climates... These folks can handle the widest variety of foods, including meat, and they’re actually the only group that processes dairy without much trouble.

Finally, there's Type AB (4% of the population), which is a fairly recent adaptation born from the mixing of A and B groups... This means they basically deal with the dietary perks and the sensitivities of both types at once.

Taylor Campbell4 said:Alright, fine—go ahead and love animals... 🙂 just don't tell me you're some kind of "animal lover" 😬

Look, I'm serious here—loving animals is perfectly fine—but once you mix in hypocrisy and fanaticism, it just becomes a load of nonsense. That's my take, anyway.

And honestly? I highly doubt you love animals more than I do. Besides, I’m not going to go after people for eating meat—it's what they eat, and I won't lecture them with mindless nonsense about it.

If I can, I'd much rather focus on actual societal issues and try to make a real contribution toward solving them—rather than wandering down blind alleys.

In my opinion, it's pure hypocrisy when meat-eaters claim to love animals. Sure, they love them—right before they're served on a dinner plate.👎

Cosmo Shiva said:But why bother? At the end of the day, it all boils down to being happy or satisfied.
Aren't you just constructing a miserable little world for yourself—one where you can't actually enjoy anything?
Something isn't adding up there.

I don't believe the point of living is mere indulgence—to me, finding pleasure while others suffer is nothing more than selfishness. I simply cannot draw happiness or satisfaction from the misery and pain of others.
My life is wonderful, and I truly believe that's the result of karma. I focus on building a happy world—specifically, a world free from slaughter and suffering.🙂

The issue isn't me; it's the greed and selfishness inherent in people who prioritize their own appetites above all else. Because of that unchecked hunger, innocent animals are being brutally slaughtered today—suffering terribly just to satisfy human cravings that don't even need to exist.👎

Cosmo Shiva said:Maybe try learning what carcass actually means first.
It’s pretty obvious you were raised on nothing but carrion if you find meat so repulsive.
Your logic is pure fanaticism—you’re just looking at this through one narrow lens.
You don't care about anyone else's perspective; you just circle back to that same opening sentence, which, frankly, isn't much of an argument at all.

Calling my reasoning fanaticism is a stretch—it's actually quite logical.

There’s simply no reason to slaughter animals and subject them to such misery when we have plant-based alternatives readily available.

Real fanaticism is the obsession with eating carrion—human greed knows no bounds, and people are fanatically gorging themselves on the remains of animals that died in absolute agony.👎

Plants don't deserve to get eaten—they haven't exactly gone out hunting anyone.
Animals? Sure, they deserve it since they’re out there eating things themselves.
I guess you reap what you sow, right? Just a little karma.

Keith Lee2 said:Plants didn't deserve to be eaten—after all, they haven't exactly been out there hunting anyone.
Animals deserve to be eaten—it’s only fair that they get a taste of their own medicine.
He who lives by the sword, dies by the sword..

Got it—I’ll make sure to keep that in mind.
What goes around, comes around—karma always settles the score.
If you honestly believe there won't be consequences for profiting from the suffering of defenseless creatures—if you think you can just feast on misery without paying the price—then you are dead wrong. Everything eventually comes full circle.

Here’s a breakdown of the repetitive claims and half-baked arguments Thomas Stewart97 keeps throwing out throughout this whole thread:

"You guys actually get a kick out of slaughtering and torturing animals."

"Sadists, criminals—basically, they can't be intelligent people."

"Look, I can't say I wouldn't take medicine if I had to, but I’d definitely look into alternatives first. I mean, if someone takes an antibiotic with a gelatin capsule but doesn't eat meat, that doesn't make them a hypocrite. We have options today, and if one of those choices helps prevent animal suffering, then taking an antibiotic isn't a wasted effort. Besides, you only take antibiotics once in a while, whereas skipping meat saves lives every single day."

"Intelligent people don't feed on carcasses."

"Eating carrion is pure fanaticism, mostly because human appetite and selfishness just know no bounds."

"People who eat meat are missing something—either empathy or basic intelligence."

Man, are you even aware of how superficial you're being here? You're just spouting nonsense that doesn't even connect to the actual discussion! Please, just give us one real, solid argument for once!

Thomas Stewart97 said:Better keep that in mind.
WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND.
If you honestly think you can get away with feeding off the suffering of helpless animals without consequences—well, you're dead wrong. Karma always collects its debt.

So, what you're saying is... I won't die from dying unless I actually cause someone else's death?

wheel said:I love the taste of meat too. But I don't eat it because my conscience is clearer that way. Here’s an analogy: I recognize there are other attractive women out there besides my wife, and I know I’d enjoy their company. But I avoid those encounters because I sleep better knowing I'm not cheating. My wife would suffer if I did, and I don't want her to suffer. It's the same with animals. I just don't want them to hurt. Honestly, I wouldn't mind if people who lack any empathy for others felt that pain themselves. It might actually help them understand the problem better.

I completely agree with this post.
To be fair, I still eat meat. I tried going vegetarian for a few months, but it didn't work out for me. My bloodwork took a dive, and my doctor basically ordered me to start eating meat again. Now, I just stick to chicken and fish... 😳
I think there might actually be some truth to those old theories about blood types...

I don't get why people feel so attacked by vegetarians. It's likely because they've been told their whole lives that eating meat is the only "normal" way to live. Not to mention the psychological toll of slaughtering animals...

Thomas Stewart97 said:I find it incredibly hypocritical when meat-eaters claim to love animals. Sure—they love them once they're slaughtered and served on a plate.👎

The issue here isn't a lack of compassion, but rather a disconnect from reality—whether that’s due to a lack of observation or just being caught up in your own indoctrination. Honestly, if you went back and read that old thread about the psychology of slaughterhouse workers, things might become a bit clearer to you.

A butcher, a worker, or anyone else can care for livestock just as much as you care for your pet—or at least, in a similar way (minus the deep emotional bond, which, let's be honest, isn't really "love" anyway)—and still proceed to slaughter and eat them.

If there is an emotional connection involved, sure, it makes the process harder—but they still value the animal, and that's simply how it works.

Most people who speak the way you do act as if they just dropped in from Mars; that's always how it looks when someone is heavily indoctrinated—much like a cultist making claims that are blatantly detached from the real world.

There is no hypocrisy involved—it is merely a healthy understanding that, at our current stage of development, animals serve as food for humanity, and that’s that. We aren't talking about animal cruelty or anything of the sort. Nobody supports animal abuse, though I suppose some people are hypocritical about it, just as they are indifferent to the suffering of humans as long as they are comfortable. It's much the same for those of us who don't particularly care either way.

If we didn't care at all, none of this would even exist.

But the path you all are taking—by vilifying everyone who eats meat—is clearly the wrong direction to any serious thinker who hasn't been blinded by that specific ideology.

Disperadun said:
The repetitive claims and—frankly—non-arguments from Thomas Stewart97 throughout this entire thread:

"you all take pleasure in the slaughtering and suffering of animals"
"sadists, general criminals—they simply can't be intelligent"

"I can't say I wouldn't take medication; regardless, I’d look for an alternative. I don't think someone taking a tested antibiotic with a gelatin capsule—even if they aren't eating meat—is being a hypocrite. We have options today, and choosing one that prevents animal suffering isn't futile, even if you're taking antibiotics. Still, antibiotics are used occasionally, whereas avoiding meat saves them daily."

"Intelligent people don't feed on carcasses"

"Eating carrion is pure fanaticism—human appetite and selfishness truly know no bounds"

"People who eat meat are missing something—either empathy or intelligence"

Man, are you aware of how superficial you're being? You're just spouting nonsense that has zero connection to reality. Please—just give me one actual, solid argument!

I didn't say you enjoy the slaughter and the pain, rather that you contribute to it.

For someone like you, who doesn't believe animals have souls, a real argument simply doesn't exist.