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mistyrider7 mistyrider7 MemberOP
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#1 ·
There was a thread on this sub about someone being unwilling to commit because they haven't "lived enough" yet.

I’ve always found that whole idea—and the notion that maturity comes from "living it up"—to be... well, kind of stupid, I guess.

People love to pitch it as some sort of "natural phase" of growing up.

To me, it feels more like a "normal phase" only within a pretty unhealthy framework—one where life is defined by outward appearances rather than actual living, which I suppose is just a person expressing themselves through their connections with others.

In that superficial context, what people call maturing isn't really maturity at all; it's more like just getting exhausted from chasing thrills in the outside world and retreating into a different, equally superficial dimension that feels safer or more predictable.

That’s not true maturity—true maturity would be articulating one's own creative drive through those external relationships, allowing a person to become a "virtuoso of life." They live intensely and meaningfully because they don't see the value in how things look, but in how they express their own internal principles through those bonds—which, I guess, feels like a sense of harmonic purpose.

Personally, I never went through a "wild phase," and the whole concept always seemed pretty pointless to me.
Maybe it's because I grew up in an incredibly healthy family—though maybe that’s just genetics—where every action and relationship was guided by an internal sense of purpose, not through force, but just naturally.

Even with romance, it was never about how many people I could sleep with or how much "fun" I could have just to feel alive; instead, my life—that conscious internal sense of being—always tried to express itself through the depth of my relationships.
So, I never hit that wall of exhaustion or settled into a safe routine—if anything, the creativity and meaning I find in my connections just keeps growing.

I’d say this idea of "live fast, then settle down" is basically just looking for life in all the wrong places, only to end up numb once you realize it was all for nothing.
Still, even if those people eventually find some way to express themselves, I think they miss out on a much deeper level of maturity. They tend to stabilize into this stagnant, compromised state without much actual life left in them—mostly because they don't realize that things like marriage or kids aren't "restrictions on freedom," but are actually the canvas where you express your life's purpose.
silentpilot6 silentpilot6 Regular
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#2 ·
I believe everyone needs to go through a specific phase of "living life" or let's call it a "life lessons" period, because you learn so many vital things through different interactions and experiences.
To hell with the guy who’s never stumbled home at 10 AM completely wasted, never gotten into a scrap, never spent a night sleeping on a rooftop in Chicago 😁, or never had a quick hookup with someone without even knowing their name...

This might sound pointless or unnecessary to some, but I don't think it is...

Be careful that you don't end up in a situation—which happens to more people than you'd think—where you hit 30 and suddenly feel the need to go out and do all the things everyone else already experienced between the ages of 17 and 25.
William Martinez36 William Martinez36 Newcomer
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#3 ·
Legion said:Be careful you don't end up like so many others who hit their 30s and suddenly realize they need to start doing everything everyone else already mastered between ages 17 and 25.

Exactly right, though I constantly run into those 😕 types whose parents wouldn't let them out of the house until they were 25, leaving them completely burnt out by 35.
dustyfox162 dustyfox162 Newcomer
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#4 ·
Indiana Jones said:I’d argue that this whole idea of "maturing"—where you live fast and then suddenly settle down—is just searching for fulfillment in all the wrong places. Eventually, you just burn out and go numb because you realize none of it actually matters.

Amen! So I'm not losing my mind after all!🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏
silentpilot6 silentpilot6 Regular
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#5 ·
You aren't crazy, but you certainly aren't the most conventional person I've met either 😁

There are certain things in life you just have to feel, do, and experience firsthand... there really is no substitute.
Nicole James Nicole James Regular
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#6 ·
I don't think the goal here is some kind of voyeuristic obsession with other people's lives—it’s more about gathering the necessary life experiences. Without those, you honestly can't get a full grasp of who you are, let alone understand other people or how to navigate relationships with them.

Take falling in love, for example... There is just no way I would have been able to recognize or truly value the stability of a committed, monogamous relationship if I hadn't first gone through those casual, fleeting flings. People can try to sell you all the fairy tales they want about "true love," but it’s nearly impossible to say "this is the one" if you've never had the chance to say "this definitely isn't it."

PS. silentpilot6 beat me to posting this, so I guess I'll just leave this as a signature on his thread...
silentpilot6 silentpilot6 Regular
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#7 ·
I’m with Nicole James on this one...
You don't really learn to value non-violence or peaceful conflict resolution until you've taken a hard hit 😁, and then you finally learn to steer clear of unnecessary drama and street fights.
It’s the same with everything else: you don't appreciate love or a steady relationship until you've spent your life chasing every cheap thrill, you don't realize how good a cold glass of water feels until you stumble home at 10 AM completely wasted 😁, and you don't grasp that a "crime" 🤣 (though I wouldn't call anything I did back in my wilder days a 😂 crime) isn't worth it until you're spending the morning in a precinct... and so on.

Maybe I'm exaggerating a bit, but that's pretty much how it goes.
Nicole James Nicole James Regular
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#8 ·
Of course, there are times when it’s just plain smarter to learn from someone else's mistakes... especially when we're talking about things like drugs or other kinds of absolute garbage. But in my own experience—and I’m speaking purely for myself here—I feel like I would have been a much less intense non-smoker, and honestly, I probably would've had a far higher chance of picking up the habit, if I hadn't been a smoker during my teenage years. Now, I’m certainly not claiming that smoking during puberty is a good thing in any general sense, but for me personally, I’d say it actually did me more good than harm.
mistyrider7 mistyrider7 MemberOP
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#9 ·
I see a lot of people pushing this whole "experience" angle.

But honestly, it’s pretty pointless—especially here—because what they’re actually hunting for is just some vague "feeling of being alive."

The only real "experience" you get from all that is realizing life isn't out there somewhere.

Or maybe you don't even find that; you just get tired of chasing shadows and eventually... I guess you just settle down.
silentpilot6 silentpilot6 Regular
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#10 ·
Live your life 😉 instead of just analyzing it... besides, have you ever actually heard the phrase "have a good time"? 😁
Nicole James Nicole James Regular
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#11 ·
mistyrider7 said:The only real "lesson" you walk away with from all of this is that life isn't happening out there somewhere else.

And honestly—in my view—that realization is one of the most vital pieces of wisdom a person can ever gain.
mistyrider7 mistyrider7 MemberOP
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#12 ·
Nicole James said:And I think that’s a pretty vital life lesson.

But based on what you've said before, I'm guessing you haven't actually figured out where it is... 😉
Harold Adams5 Harold Adams5 Active Member
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#13 ·
mistyrider7 said:I see everyone's out here pushing this big idea about "experience."

But honestly, it’s mostly pointless—especially in this context. When you strip everything away, all that talk about searching for "experience" really just boils down to one thing: people chasing a "feeling of being alive."

The only real "lesson" you get from all that nonsense? Life isn't happening over there. It's right here.

Either they fail to pull it off—and they definitely aren't going to stumble upon the "fountain of youth"—or they just get exhausted from chasing ghosts and finally decide to settle down.

I hear exactly what you're getting at.
But honestly? The journey toward the "source of life" is way more interesting than life itself.
And his to be.
And everyone wants to be the one to uncover it all by themselves.
No recipe.
Everything happens when it’s supposed to. It’s all about timing.
When you’re driven by pure instinct, there isn't really any room for debate, is there? It just happens. You don't sit around weighing the pros and cons or checking your calendar. It’s that raw, gut-level urge where the impulse takes over and everything else just fades into the background. Does anyone actually control that kind of thing, or are we all just passengers to our own impulses?
Just like birds heading south for the winter.😉
Nicole James Nicole James Regular
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#14 ·
mistyrider7 said:But based on what you’ve said before, I’m getting the impression you don't actually know where it is located... 😉

I'm nowhere near knowing that...

The thing is—how does that even relate to the topic at hand?
mistyrider7 mistyrider7 MemberOP
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#15 ·
Harold Adams5 said:I get what you're getting at—mostly.
But I guess the journey toward the "source of life" is actually more interesting than life itself—maybe.
And his to be, I guess—if that's even how things work.
And everyone wants to be the one to uncover it—all by themselves, I guess.
No recipe—just winging it, I guess.
Everything happens when it’s supposed to—I guess.
It’s all just instinct, I guess—that thing where you have to do something just because it feels like the only option left.
Just like birds heading south, I guess.😉

You probably read that somewhere... It feels a bit like those New York City New Age ramblings—I guess.

But honestly, that’s all just nonsense—I guess.
It’s like saying a kid should just reinvent the wheel every single time—if that even makes sense.

The truth is—if there even is one—that we're born with these innate, integrative drives... things like actual aspirations, not just possibilities, I guess. They just end up crashing headfirst into this broken, fragmented culture we've built.
Conflict happens because—just like any other biological drive—this one needs a cultural outlet to actually function. It’s like how we're wired to walk upright, yet we still have to be taught how to do it properly. But in this case, instead of getting the "fuel" needed to actually manifest, the culture just feeds it suggestions that run completely counter to its nature. I guess that's where the friction starts.

Sometimes that integrative potential is just naturally strong enough to push through even when everything is going wrong—and I guess, for others, it's so weak that even the best circumstances won't make a dent.

I guess culture plays a huge role in most cases—if the whole culture is just fundamentally broken, you end up with this aimless, frantic searching that usually leads nowhere. It’s just a quick burst of misguided energy before everything eventually just... dies out.
mistyrider7 mistyrider7 MemberOP
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#16 ·
Nicole James said:I'm not even close...

I mean, how does that even relate to the topic at hand?

But you were the one talking about how useful all that hands-on experience is supposed to be...
Nicole James Nicole James Regular
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#17 ·
mistyrider7 said:But you were just saying how incredibly valuable those hands-on experiences actually were...

I’d argue that I am significantly more grounded now than I ever would have been if I hadn't gone through all of that.
Drew Reed85 Drew Reed85 Newcomer
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#18 ·
Smart people learn from the mistakes of others, while everyone else is stuck learning the hard way through their own screw-ups.
Harold Adams5 Harold Adams5 Active Member
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#19 ·
Nicole James said:I’m telling you, I’m way more grounded now than I ever would have been if I hadn't gone through all that.

Same here.
And honestly? I wouldn't trade a single one of those "
"failures"
for anything. They’re exactly what made me who I am today.
Harold Adams5 Harold Adams5 Active Member
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#20 ·
searcher said:You definitely read this somewhere... It sounds like some New York pseudo-spiritual nonsense...

But honestly? It's all just garbage.


😕 🙄
If you talk to your wife and kids with that much subtlety,
they’ll be swallowing everything you say hook, line, and sinker.
You really were born to be an educator, weren't you?😬

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