What are your thoughts on Natasha Kampusch?

Even madness follows its own set of rules based on the circumstances at hand. That’s what gives the game away. Her behavior might seem irrational, but it's only abnormal when you measure it against the "expected" level of insanity. This suggests she's operating under a completely different set of realities than the ones she's actually talking about.

molly* said:exactly—she shouldn't seem so "normal" if everything she claims actually happened.

But she isn't really normal. What you’re perceiving as 'normal' is just her defense mechanisms, which have been developing for years now. 😉

And let's be honest, she was heavily coached for that interview; she probably went over those exact questions with psychiatrists a million times already... so that's why she seemed so 'composed.'

Besides, whatever she went through left deep, internal scars. They aren't obvious on the surface because, I guess, she isn't even fully aware of them herself. She’s actually defending him! Good grief! She keeps insisting it wasn't even that bad. That’s probably why she isn't screaming or pulling her hair out in front of the cameras. (Which is what she would have done much sooner if you were all right and she was just acting like 😉).

She claimed he was the one educating her and handing her books.
Just try to wrap your head around being a ten-year-old girl locked away in some basement. You have no clue what day it is, you have no idea what time it is, you’re just totally alone. Your kidnapper is also the only person providing water and food—basically the only reason you’re still breathing. Can you even begin to fathom what goes through your mind when you're starving and parched, wondering if he’s ever coming back or if you're just going to die in that cellar?
Would you even be happy to see him when he finally showed up?
There are a million ways to break someone's spirit, and honestly, only an idiot thinks they're somehow immune to it.
Then, as you grow up with absolutely nothing to occupy your mind except obsessing over your captor, you realize there's a way to manipulate the situation. Suddenly, you aren't starving or thirsty anymore, and you might even get some books. And then people actually blame you for that. Because you figured out how to survive.
Then you read in the news about how you "confessed" to this or that. What exactly is a victim supposed to confess to? For the love of God.

cosmicridge5 said:It’s honestly hilarious to call her behavior inconsistent or "suspicious." Like, come on—her head is pure chaos. What else would you expect?!

She spent eight years totally isolated, only to step out and land right in the middle of a global spotlight... I mean, hello? People...

Maybe we were all just sold an actress!
The media didn't even check her DNA!

shadowowl9 said:Even abnormality follows certain rules based on the circumstances; her behavior is only considered abnormal when compared to the level of dysfunction we typically expect from someone in her situation.

Is that really true?

What about psychiatrists?

Or maybe they don't see it that way, and she’s only "abnormal compared to expected abnormality" to us laypeople? We've been conditioned by movies and pop culture to expect someone in that kind of trauma to be completely broken and unable to even speak clearly...

It seems to me that no psychologist I've heard of—whether here in the States or abroad—has actually pointed out this supposed "abnormality relative to expectation." It feels like that's just an observation made by regular people.😁

So, I recently went into total isolation while studying.
I didn't leave the house for three whole days.
Didn't say a single word to anyone either—unless you count all the internal monologues and mental debates I was having with myself.

When I finally swung by the local CVS, I headed over to the deli section. The cashier goes, "How can I help you?" and I literally started stuttering!!!
My brain just totally short-circuited.
And it had only been a few days!

Madame Hooch said:She seems a bit too "pre-academic" for an 18-year-old who’s actually experienced life, let alone someone totally cut off from everything. Did anyone else catch her mentioning specific books she read or anything? I didn't notice 😕

Supposedly she read books, and apparently, he was actually interested in getting an education too...

She mentioned being allowed to listen to the radio and read the newspaper. Honestly, if you're someone like her—starving for any kind of connection to the world—you'd probably throw yourself into that kind of stuff headfirst. 😉

For her, learning wasn't some chore like it is for most kids who have a million better things to do; it was probably the exact opposite. 😉

So, where are all our actual psychologists hiding on this forum? 😁

It doesn't matter, for example 😍

I'm honestly curious to know what their take on this is 🙂

El Salvador, seriously, which part of this story actually makes sense? This little girl is basically walking to school with a full-blown master plan to rob three major banks! She’s clearly more mentally intense than he ever was, because she actually manipulates him into locking himself in a basement without any food just because she finds the thrill of it exciting. It is absolutely wild how she spends eight years tormenting him with these twisted, calculated mind games until the poor guy, driven to total desperation and absolute mental ruin, eventually takes his own life. Then, once the deed is done, she plays the victim perfectly, manipulating the media, the psychiatrists, and all of us to rake in a massive fortune. Meanwhile, that poor middle-aged man had no idea that this predator is out there in the wild, just waiting for her next chance to strike. You’ve totally seen right through her!

cosmicridge5 said:It isn't even normal. What you’re perceiving as "normal" is actually just her own deeply ingrained—and frankly, highly developed—defense mechanisms 😉
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Look, I’m no expert here... I was simply suggesting that her story feels a little suspicious to me—not that she wasn't kidnapped or abused, of course—but I just can't wrap my head around how someone could go all those years without trying to make a break for it... I truly just don't get it...

cosmicridge5 said:Is it, though?

What about the psychiatrists?

Or maybe they don't think she's "weird," and it's just us regular folks who think Natascha is "abnormal compared to how we expect abnormal people to act"? We've all seen enough movies to think someone in her shoes should be a total wreck, barely able to string a sentence together...

To me, it feels like not a single psychologist—not even the big names out there—has pointed out this "abnormality compared to expected abnormality." It’s just regular people making that call. 😁

How can you say that?

Taylor Wells68 said:Look, I’m no expert here... I just meant her story feels a little fishy to me. I’m not saying she wasn't kidnapped or abused... it's just hard for me to wrap my head around how someone could go all those years without trying to bolt... I just can't get past that part...

Well, she got used to being around a psychopath. Honestly, how many of us have spent our lives dealing with maniacs? It happens to the best of us.
Besides, he fed her this lie that her parents wouldn't pay the ransom—basically told her they gave up on her—so he made sure she felt like she was completely alone in the world.

Walter Myers4 said:She basically got used to being around a psychopath. Honestly, how many of us go through life dealing with maniacs? It just becomes part of the routine for some people.
Beyond that—and this is a crucial point—he manipulated her by claiming her parents refused to pay the ransom, essentially telling her they had given up on her. He deliberately engineered this crushing sense of total isolation, making her feel like she was completely alone in the world.

Sure, I get that, but she likely adapted over time—not necessarily right from the jump—so there must have been a window at the beginning where she could have fought back.
Even if she truly believed those old folks wouldn't pay the money, is staying with a predator really the only option left on the table?!
I just don't see the logic here—it's baffling.😬

labellina said:She escaped because she WANTED to. I believe she could have done it much sooner.
She feels guilty because he took his own life, and now she's terrified of being judged by the public...
We tend to see what we want to see rather than reality, simply because the truth is too uncomfortable or predictable. So, people inflate and reshape the narrative to fit their own perceptions.

That is exactly how I view the situation. There is no doubt she was abducted and held against her will. However, since we are talking about a child—who possesses much more psychological flexibility than an adult—she essentially grew up within that confinement and came to accept it as her baseline reality. Eventually, the captor likely didn't even need to rely on threats; she simply had no concept of any other way to live. Everything happening around her became her "normal," and she probably believed that’s just how life works. It wasn't necessarily a case of her living in total darkness, starving or naked every single day. It seems to me the kidnapper actually looked after her, which likely created a form of symbiosis—a shared existence where neither could truly function independently. While those first few months were undoubtedly traumatic, I highly doubt that level of intensity lasted for all ten years.

Besides, there are precedents for this kind of psychological shift. Does anyone remember that woman who was kidnapped by an extreme left-wing terrorist group (I think it was a German cell, something like the Red Army Faction)? She was taken captive, but after a few months, she actually joined the terrorists voluntarily and fought alongside them.

Taylor Wells68 said:Yeah, but she probably got used to it after a while—not right away, obviously—so she could have tried something at the start.
Even if she believed those old geezers wouldn't pay up, was staying with a total creep really her *only* option?!
I just don't get it. Period.😬

Look, it's not like she had some amazing relationship with her parents. Her mom treated her like garbage; honestly, she probably spent half her time dreaming about pushing her down the stairs just to get a break.
Just kidding. Mostly.
But seriously, she said in an interview that when she was out with that maniac, she actually tried to signal to passersby that she'd been kidnapped, but nobody took her seriously.

Walter Myers4 said:How can you say that?
http://www.nytimes.com/news/trauma-reports,41778.jl

What do you mean "how can you say that?"

I don't see anything here suggesting psychiatrists are suspicious or think she's being shady.😕

The dissociation shown by Natascha Kampusch—specifically her detachment from her own feelings during interviews—actually highlights just how deeply traumatized the girl was, according to Dr. Gordana Buljan-Flander, director of the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia.

Taylor Wells68 said:Yeah, but she probably got used to it after a while—not right away, though—so she could have tried something at the start.
Even if she believed the old people wouldn't pay, was staying with a creep really her only option?!
I don't get it, honestly.😬

At the beginning? A ten-year-old kid? Terrified? While he was still being extra cautious?

Walter Myers4 said:Look, let's be honest—her relationship with her elders wasn't exactly sunshine and rainbows. Her mother treated her terribly; frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if she spent half her time praying her mother wouldn't shove her down the stairs at the first opportunity.
Just kidding.
But seriously—she mentioned in an interview that while she was out with that maniac, she actually tried to signal to passersby that she was being kidnapped, but nobody took her seriously.

Alright, okay, now I see where this is going.😁

Patagonia said:What do you mean "how come not?"

I don't see anything here suggesting the psychiatrists are suspicious or think she's full of it. 😕

Who even said she was lying?
🙄You're in the wrong thread, man. This isn't Walter Myers' topic.😁

cosmicridge5 said:At the very beginning? A ten-year-old kid? Terrified? Back when he was still being incredibly cautious?

Exactly—we are talking about a child!!!!! How on earth could she be so gripped by fear that she’d actually consider him being careful now and decide to just wait out a few years... please, give me a break...