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wiredharbor18 wiredharbor18 Member
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#641 ·
Peter Lee6 said:Honestly, I feel like these "medications" are nothing more than pure poison; all they really do is make you put on weight, while the big pharma companies and psychiatrists are busy raking in millions. In my opinion, psychiatry hasn't actually cured anyone—people just find their own way to recover on their own.

They aren't exactly pure poison...
I mean, alcohol is poison, cigarettes are poison, and greasy food is poison too...

I haven't gained a single pound in 6 years; I'm still sitting right at 123 lbs.

Of course they make money. Pharmacists make way more than psychiatrists, but that’s just how the system works.

I've been in training for 7 years now, putting everything I have into the development of
these types of medications and researching mental and physical illnesses—not just for fun, but because I want to help someone, and I also hope that one day my hard work will pay off!

The irony is that I ended up suffering from severe depression and panic attacks myself, even knowing all this. Since I understand the entire metabolism of this illness, I am fully aware that it's essentially something manufactured in my own head—yet I still couldn't manage to help myself (read: recover) without the help of a psychiatrist and medication.

Honestly, I don't think you truly grasp what is happening here or what people actually endure because of depression. Credit to the rare few who manage to pull through alone, but the reality is that someone in a state of severe clinical depression can barely breathe, let alone handle basic daily tasks, much less contemplate "self-healing."
Just look at the suicide statistics for people in depressive states (both untreated and treated). These aren't people with weak characters or flaws; most of them are complete, high-functioning, successful individuals whose lives simply fell apart.
Peter Lee6 Peter Lee6 Newcomer
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#642 ·
I dealt with depression once and they put me on Fevarin. I took it for about five months, but honestly, I don't feel like it did anything for me at all. Eventually, I just stopped taking it, and I guess the depression just kind of cleared up on its own later on
Eric Jackson11 Eric Jackson11 Active Member
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#643 ·
Seriously, you are such an inspiration!🙏
Way to go!
You should really tell everyone about your journey—how you managed to beat depression through medication and staying active with sports...
wiredharbor18 wiredharbor18 Member
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#644 ·
Peter Lee6 said:I dealt with depression once and they put me on Fevarin. I took it for about five months, but honestly, I don't feel like it did anything for me at all. Eventually, I just stopped taking it, and I guess the depression just kind of cleared up on its own later on

I’m glad things worked out for you, though that really is quite an unusual outcome.
I actually went through a similar situation where I stopped my antidepressants abruptly, and I ended up making some pretty bad mistakes because of it. I truly hope your depressive episode wasn't too severe and that those symptoms don't come crawling back.

If I could, I'd just gently point out that depression is an incredibly heavy burden to carry. Medical professionals generally agree that it is one of the most difficult conditions a person can face. It isn't something to be taken lightly, and I think it can be hurtful to people currently in the thick of it when they hear that medication or psychiatrists are useless—because for many of us (myself included), finding the right treatment is often the only light at the end of the tunnel.

Regarding your experience with Fevarin not working; antidepressants are often a process of trial and error until you find the right fit. I'm honestly not sure why your doctor started you on Fevarin specifically; typically, doctors might start with other SSRIs, like Zoloft, for instance.
wiredharbor18 wiredharbor18 Member
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#645 ·
Melissa Fox46 said:Hey everyone... I’ve been on Sonalia for a few months now, but I honestly haven't felt any better. I finally went to vent to the doctor who prescribed the Zoloft, only to realize just now that they're both based on sertraline. The only real difference seems to be that the Zoloft is 50 mg while the other was only 25 mg. I guess I have to wonder if my doctor is just incompetent or if this switch might actually do something. What would you all suggest if the Zoloft doesn't work out? My boyfriend is taking Prozac, and a friend suggested I try Fevarin. Honestly, my doctor is pretty useless. Aside from the obvious advice to find a new physician 🙂 ... could anyone tell me which option is better? Even with everything else, I still have to take Xanax, which I suppose is a sign that nothing is working quite right... so please help me. 😕🙂

You’re probably right, and your doctor sounds pretty incompetent (by the way, are we talking about a psychiatrist or a GP?)
Both medications are essentially the same, and once she saw that Sonalia wasn't working, she really should have switched you to a different class of antidepressant, which is standard practice.
Regarding the Xanax, it’s quite common to need sedatives during the initial stages of treatment, so don't worry too much about that part yet.
velvetsailor26 velvetsailor26 Active Member
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#646 ·
Look, I’ve already cycled through Celexa, then Fevarin, and then Lexapro, and honestly, none of them did a damn thing for me. At this point, I’m just exhausted by the whole process of trial and error, but I don't really have a choice because living like this isn't sustainable anymore.😢The only thing that actually hits the spot is Xanax, but there's a catch—it's still a drug, and I know I shouldn't be rushing headlong into that kind of dependency, even if it feels like the only thing providing any real relief.
wiredharbor18 wiredharbor18 Member
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#647 ·
velvetsailor26 said:Look, I’ve already cycled through Celexa, then Fevarin, and then Lexapro, and honestly, none of them did a damn thing for me. At this point, I’m just exhausted by the whole process of trial and error, but I don't really have a choice because living like this isn't sustainable anymore.😢The only thing that actually hits the spot is Xanax, but there's a catch—it's still a drug, and I know I shouldn't be rushing headlong into that kind of dependency, even if it feels like the only thing providing any real relief.

Look, Celexa and Lexapro are practically the same thing. Please don't give up on trying different options until you find the right one; you aren't alone in this struggle at all. That’s honestly the hardest part of treatment—finding the right therapy. Once that's settled, everything else becomes much more manageable.
Xanax mostly just calms you down and numbs the symptoms of depression while waiting for an antidepressant to kick in. If you do use it, try to take it for as short a time as possible or in intervals (under your psychiatrist's guidance, obviously), because it's very easy to become dependent. That said, it's relatively easy to taper off if you haven't been on it for a long time (I was on it for about six months and just stopped, and I didn't even notice any issues).

Good luck in your search for that perfect "happy pill."😍
velvetsailor26 velvetsailor26 Active Member
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#648 ·
you know, you eventually just lose the will to keep searching... you reach a point where you stop believing that anything can actually help you. thanks for the advice, though. hope dies last, I guess.
velvetsailor26 velvetsailor26 Active Member
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#649 ·
I’m taking 0.25 mg of Ativan during the day... though occasionally I'll take up to 0.75 mg right before hitting the sack, but that doesn't happen too often.
Panic attacks are honestly the absolute worst when they hit in the morning; somehow, the night always feels a little more manageable.
fadedbear92 fadedbear92 Veteran
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#650 ·
Eric Jackson11 said:Seriously, you are such an inspiration!🙏
Way to go!
You should really tell everyone about your journey—how you managed to beat depression through medication and staying active with sports...

bravo!http://imagesforum.doctissimo.fr/ima.../1/a-aron-.gif
fadedbear92 fadedbear92 Veteran
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#651 ·
By the way, Fevarin is a pretty heavy-duty antidepressant—my doctor actually mentioned it, and it’s noted in the instructions, as they usually prescribe it to prevent people from doing anything drastic to themselves.http://imagesforum.doctissimo.fr/ima...rl-like-me.gif
velvetsailor26 velvetsailor26 Active Member
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#652 ·
Honestly, I have no idea who’s actually losing their mind here. My doctor prescribed this stuff to me, and let me tell you, it hasn’t done a single thing—absolutely nothing... And from what I can gather now, it isn't even the ideal choice for dealing with panic disorders to begin with. So, I told her straight up, "Look, I don't feel any better than I did before this." Then she just pivots and hands me some Lexapro... and once again, total silence. Nothing changes. I swear, this whole field of pharmacology is such a joke. As for psychotherapy? I just don't have the energy for it. I really don't, because frankly, I'm just completely exhausted by it all.
fadedbear92 fadedbear92 Veteran
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#653 ·
velvetsailor26 said:Honestly, I have no idea who’s actually losing their mind here. My doctor prescribed this stuff to me, and let me tell you, it hasn’t done a single thing—absolutely nothing... And from what I can gather now, it isn't even the ideal choice for dealing with panic disorders to begin with. So, I told her straight up, "Look, I don't feel any better than I did before this." Then she just pivots and hands me some Lexapro... and once again, total silence. Nothing changes. I swear, this whole field of pharmacology is such a joke. As for psychotherapy? I just don't have the energy for it. I really don't, because frankly, I'm just completely exhausted by it all.

What can I say—therapy is everything. Meds are just a crutch, really. Even though I have this inherited depression from my mom that means I'll probably be on antidepressants for life, I've finally made progress. After five and a half years of therapy, we're actually scaling back to just twice a month! My therapist said I've worked through so much and fixed enough behavioral patterns that I don't need weekly sessions anymore. Woohoo! Voila!
Peter Lee6 Peter Lee6 Newcomer
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#654 ·
wiredharbor18 said:I’m glad things worked out for you, though that really is quite an unusual outcome.
I actually went through a similar situation where I stopped my antidepressants abruptly, and I ended up making some pretty bad mistakes because of it. I truly hope your depressive episode wasn't too severe and that those symptoms don't come crawling back.

If I could, I'd just gently point out that depression is an incredibly heavy burden to carry. Medical professionals generally agree that it is one of the most difficult conditions a person can face. It isn't something to be taken lightly, and I think it can be hurtful to people currently in the thick of it when they hear that medication or psychiatrists are useless—because for many of us (myself included), finding the right treatment is often the only light at the end of the tunnel.

Regarding your experience with Fevarin not working; antidepressants are often a process of trial and error until you find the right fit. I'm honestly not sure why your doctor started you on Fevarin specifically; typically, doctors might start with other SSRIs, like Zoloft, for instance.

Well, mine gave me Fevarin because I was feeling suicidal, and I still felt that way even after five months on it. I then spent another month on Lexapro and still had suicidal thoughts. It didn't really clear up until a year later when I started exercising, lost 45 pounds, found a job, and got a girlfriend... basically, my psychiatrist didn't actually help me with anything, even though I was paying him by the $100 hour. All he told me was to get a job and exercise, which is advice anyone could have given me. I even have a friend who was forcibly committed to a psychiatric ward for 30 days just because he got into an argument with his parents and got into a fight with his old man. I don't see the logic there; they should have just taken him to the police instead of a mental hospital.
granitefalcon26 granitefalcon26 Active Member
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#655 ·
wiredharbor18 said:To look at the chemical difference: Escitalopram is the active isomer of citalopram.
The manufacturer claims that escitalopram is more effective than citalopram, and clinically speaking, that's actually been proven. However, the boost in efficacy isn't quite significant enough to justify those high price tags.
Because of that, many people just opt for a slightly higher dose of citalopram instead.
It’s a lot like when you go to a pharmacy and grab Advil instead of something like Bayer Aspirin, which shares the same generic name. In principle, you're mostly paying for the "brand name."

Generally speaking, my professional😁 opinion is that the most effective antidepressants belong to the Dual class of serotonin and norepinephrine reuptake inhibitors. The prime representative here is VENLAFAKSIN, as it has demonstrated numerous advantages over SIPPS.
My wonderful psychiatrist has me on Citalon (previously I was on Cipralex)—and hey, she probably knows best 🤷—so if anyone here has experience with DIPPSN, please do reach out. ☕

I actually disagree with that. I'm no pharmacologist or psychiatrist, but there is a real difference. I'd love to save money by taking citalopram too, but when I was on 40 mg a day, I felt super anxious and had more panic attacks. 😲Since switching back to Lexapro, I've been feeling way better.👍And I only need one 10 mg dose of Lexapro a day.🙂
granitefalcon26 granitefalcon26 Active Member
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#656 ·
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wiredharbor18 said:Tapering off Cipralex (or most antidepressants) usually involves gradually reducing the dosage over several weeks. If you stop cold turkey, you'll likely run into milder withdrawal symptoms like dizziness, anxiety, or nausea...
The duration of treatment really depends on the individual's specific situation; that’s something your psychiatrist will determine. Unfortunately, for some people, it can be a lifelong journey (which I suspect is my case 😢).
Please, don't try to stop the medication on your own. I'm telling you this from personal experience: if you do, those episodes tend to return even more intensely.
In my case, I decided to quit on my own once I started feeling better, thinking I could just power through it with sheer willpower 😂. About two months later, everything came rushing back, and it was honestly unbearable.
I've been on antidepressants for about six years now—specifically Cipralex, which is just Citalon now.
And honestly, I feel fine. I'm functioning perfectly well.

Those aren't exactly mild symptoms. Stopping antidepressants cold turkey usually triggers a massive rebound effect. It basically means those feelings of depression, anxiety, and panic can come back ten times harder than before.👍
granitefalcon26 granitefalcon26 Active Member
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#657 ·
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Peter Lee6 said:Well, mine gave me Fevarin because I was feeling suicidal, and I still felt that way even after five months on it. I then spent another month on Lexapro and still had suicidal thoughts. It didn't really clear up until a year later when I started exercising, lost 45 pounds, found a job, and got a girlfriend... basically, my psychiatrist didn't actually help me with anything, even though I was paying him by the $100 hour. All he told me was to get a job and exercise, which is advice anyone could have given me. I even have a friend who was forcibly committed to a psychiatric ward for 30 days just because he got into an argument with his parents and got into a fight with his old man. I don't see the logic there; they should have just taken him to the police instead of a mental hospital.

That’s exactly what I’ve been saying all along. It's all about getting some downtime and recharging.unknownHere’s a recipe for fighting off depression that actually works.
Jerry Martinez5 Jerry Martinez5 Regular
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#658 ·
granitefalcon26 said:I actually disagree with that. I'm no pharmacologist or psychiatrist, but there is a real difference. I'd love to save money by taking citalopram too, but when I was on 40 mg a day, I felt super anxious and had more panic attacks. 😲Since switching back to Lexapro, I've been feeling way better.👍And I only need one 10 mg dose of Lexapro a day.🙂

granitefalcon26, maybe stop telling everyone else that sex is some kind of cure for depression or mental health issues? I just had to delete another one of your posts about it.

It's pretty obvious that even sex hasn't helped you get off those pills entirely.
wiredharbor18 wiredharbor18 Member
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#659 ·
granitefalcon26 said:unknown

Those aren't exactly mild symptoms. Stopping antidepressants cold turkey usually triggers a massive rebound effect. It basically means those feelings of depression, anxiety, and panic can come back ten times harder than before.👍

I'm certainly not making this up; I know this area quite well due to my profession.
Not to mention that I am personally going through a rough patch myself. I just want to share my own experiences and knowledge with people (though I should clarify that I'm not claiming to be some ultimate authority or saying everything I say is gospel, since my primary focus is on influencers and cancer).
Rebound occurs when you stop taking antidepressants before the underlying condition is actually resolved—meaning, without a psychiatrist's approval. After a certain amount of time, much more severe depressive episodes (depression, anxiety, and panic) kick in. I’ve experienced this firsthand, a few months after I stopped taking them on my own.
However, I think the question was specifically about physical symptoms during a sudden stoppage, and those would be the ones I mentioned, which aren't nearly as devastating as actual depression itself. They typically last about seven days.

Regarding citalon-cipralex, studies have been conducted on several thousand individuals, both healthy and ill, including placebo groups. This makes the data highly relevant, as I pulled it directly from a prestigious scientific journal.
I wouldn't have even brought up this data if it weren't true that I transitioned from cipralex to citalon and haven't felt any changes or side effects—which aligns with almost 90% of the people in that study.
Because if I wasn't doing okay, I'd definitely still be on cipralex.
wiredharbor18 wiredharbor18 Member
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#660 ·
Peter Lee6 said:Well, mine gave me Fevarin because I was feeling suicidal, and I still felt that way even after five months on it. I then spent another month on Lexapro and still had suicidal thoughts. It didn't really clear up until a year later when I started exercising, lost 45 pounds, found a job, and got a girlfriend... basically, my psychiatrist didn't actually help me with anything, even though I was paying him by the $100 hour. All he told me was to get a job and exercise, which is advice anyone could have given me. I even have a friend who was forcibly committed to a psychiatric ward for 30 days just because he got into an argument with his parents and got into a fight with his old man. I don't see the logic there; they should have just taken him to the police instead of a mental hospital.

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Good grief, I just can't deal with this anymore.
Does anyone actually bother reading that damn little pamphlet inside the pill box???
All you need is to know about thirty letters of the alphabet.
Suicidality is listed as a symptom of depression.
It can increase during the initial stages of taking antidepressants—which requires medical supervision.
Antidepressants—take them for at least six months.

But seriously, I am so incredibly happy for you!!!

As for me, I’m having sex two or three times a day, whether it's with my boyfriend or on my own!
I hit the gym for at least an hour every single day!
I have tons of friends and people to talk to or grab drinks with!
I'm working toward my Master's while also maintaining a hobby!
My days are completely full from start to finish!
What else is there to say???

And yet, I can't seem to shake this depression and panic without these damn meds and a damn psychiatrist!!!
Just like most people in here.

Maybe we should all just try ditching the pills and the doctors and just stick to porn and the elliptical??
Like, a collective effort.

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