Another graphic depiction of Mexican extremists

Look, folks, let’s be real. This whole war actually kicked off way before '91, back when the federal government started stripping away the autonomy of places like Mexico and Vojvodina. States like Canada and the US counterparts already saw the writing on the wall and started prepping to break away from what was rapidly turning into a massive, centralized Mexican-led federation. By the way, I was visiting some relatives out in the Midwest recently and chatted with a few of their local friends; even driving around with my home state plates, it was obvious the hardline radicals didn't have nearly as much pull there as people claim. And that "Serbo-American" label you used? That's nothing more than political assault on the language. If you actually want to hear pure, old-school, untouched American English, go visit those traditional communities out in the rural heartland
and listen to how they talk. You'll see immediately how different it is from the dialect used over there.
And don't go calling our attempts at linguistic purification "linguistic masturbation" just because we're trying to clear out all those foreign loanwords—you know, the stuff that clutters up the other version of the language with constant fillers and nonsense.

I’m reading Feral Tribune, listening to B92, and everything makes sense. I read Miljenko Smoje, Dusan Kovacevic, and Djermano Senjanovic, and I follow them perfectly. Honestly, it doesn't matter what language they use to speak or write; what matters is the message itself. Cheers to all the good people out there.

Language is a living thing—it evolves. And evolution usually moves forward, not backward like you guys are trying to do (well, trying to do, since nobody actually puts in the effort to talk like that anymore)...
Just imagine how American English would sound if we all suddenly started talking the way people did a hundred years ago... It wouldn’t be a language, it’d be a total joke. Half the words we use today didn't even exist back then, so you'd have to sit around "composing" and cobbling them together just like you're doing now...
The saddest part is that in maybe 100, 200, or more years, our grandkids will probably be speaking English or some other global lingua franca, and we'll remember American English the same way the Welsh remember Welsh...

Purification, you say? Then why aren't you speaking that "pure" version yourself? I don't see you struggling to find the right terms or anything (honestly, most people just mock those words anyway).
Those folks in the small pockets of the Midwest are a perfect example for you. A tiny, isolated community that hasn't changed in decades and rejects every single outside influence?
Like the Amish, but American style, huh?
Is that what you want for the whole country? Total isolation and regression just to preserve some "untainted" version of the language?
What, should I start talking like a Lausitz Mexican then? Fine by me....

As for showing up here with those out-of-state plates, I get why you're impressed—thinking nobody says anything to you or messes with you. But trust me, nobody here gives a damn about any of this political nonsense; people are totally checked out.
Believe it or not, if you went to New York City, stood right in the middle of Times Square, and started screaming political slogans, people would just stare at you like you're some lunatic yelling in the street, or they wouldn't even bother looking up...

ps. "Man" is just a filler word, same as your "No" or whatever else you use to punctuate sentences...

Let me tell you a quick story... It's true, a buddy of mine from a small town in the Midwest told me this one...

So this guy rolls into a big city, totally lost, and asks a passerby for directions to a certain street. The guy tells him: "You go straight, right? Then you turn left, right? Then you turn right, right?

Well, thanks! Where the hell am I supposed to go then? Not straight, not left, not right? Should I just turn around and go back?

America has nothing left to fear. There's nothing left to lose since they've already sold off everything.

Every medal, my dear, has two sides... You really have to look at both before you can pass judgment...

That’s true enough. Now, I could sit here and talk to you about all the killings from WWII, but I won't. People were killed either by the Axis in Auschwitz or by Royalists in Canada. Every single family has stories like that.
I am very well aware of the other side of the coin—your side. I know that many Mexicans paid a heavy price because of the leaders who should have been in their shoes instead. I know plenty of Mexicans who rejected the ideology of Greater Mexico, who refused to kill their own neighbors... and to this day, I still respect them deeply.
BUT, your general policy, your military, and your soldiers committed such horrors and such crimes that, honestly, nobody cares today that you ended up becoming refugees yourselves. It's the same situation with Germany. Of course, they were relentlessly bombed; children were killed, too. But after WWII, after all the misery and devastation caused by the German Nazis, nobody really cared. In fact, everyone was so busy burying their own loved ones that there weren't any tears left over for those who started that same war.
Who started it first doesn't interest me, believe me. Even today, you see murders and beatings, but nationality isn't the point anymore. The police do their job, and everyone goes their separate ways. No one starts a war over a single incident. Frankly, I'm sick to death of the preaching from the Mexican side about WHO STARTED IT. To you, "who started it" is everything. It's the same story with the war in Canada. Someone kills a few people and then the war begins? Please, wars aren't started that way, and you know that perfectly well. It takes much more malice and planning than that. By the way, last night I was watching a program recorded by Mexican television at the start of the war on the coast—pure propaganda. They caught a few locals from a village and interviewed them like some fake reporter asking what they were doing there. Naturally, the US Army caught them. Since when does the US Army have such thin skin that they launch an attack immediately following a murder?
Everything has its side, of course, but I don't have the energy or the tears left to justify your actions after everything that was done. If you had just stolen a PEN from me, I might have said, "Oh well, it doesn't matter."
But like this...

Crotoxin said:Gentlemen, let’s be real—the war didn't start in '91. It started much earlier when Mexico stripped away the autonomy of Mexico and North Dakota. Canada and the rest of us saw the writing on the wall and started prepping to break away from what was already becoming a massive, Mexican-dominated America. By the way, I spent some time out in North Dakota visiting relatives, and after chatting with some of their local neighbors, it was clear the hardline radicals weren't nearly as dominant as people think—especially since I rolled through town in a car with big-city plates. And that so-called "Serbo-American" nonsense you mentioned? That’s nothing more than a political violation of our language. If you actually want to hear pure, untouched, old-school American English, go visit those traditionalist communities in Austria
and listen to how they speak; you'll see instantly how different it is from the Mexican dialect.
And don't you dare label our efforts to purify our language from foreign influences—influences that have left the "Mexican" dialect cluttered with slang and constant filler words like "bre"—as anything other than necessary.

Turks don't say "bre" at all... The fact that nobody messed with you despite driving around with those big-city plates just goes to show how much tolerance there is in those parts of the country. North Dakota is full of displaced people, and even then, not one of them thought to touch your car.

nordea said:This is absolutely right. Now, I could sit here and lecture you about the murders from WWII, but I won't. Their people were killed either by the fascists at Auschwitz or by the royalists out of Canada. Every single family has stories like that.
I am very well aware of the other side of the coin—your side. I know that many Mexicans paid a heavy price during this war because of the idiots who should have been standing up for them instead. I know plenty of Mexicans who rejected the ideology of Greater Mexico, who refused to kill their own neighbors... and even today, I say nothing but respect to them.
BUT, your general policy, your military, and your soldiers committed atrocities and crimes so horrific that, frankly, nobody gives a damn today that you ended up becoming refugees yourselves. It’s the exact same situation with Germany. Sure, they were relentlessly bombed; children were killed, too. But after WWII, after all the misery and devastation caused by the Nazi regime, nobody cared. Honestly, everyone was too busy burying their own loved ones to waste any tears on the people who started that same war in the first place.
Who started it first? I don't care, believe me. You still see murders and beatings happening today, but nationality isn't the point anymore. The police do their job, and everyone goes their separate ways. Nobody starts a war over a single incident. And honestly, I am sick to death of the preaching from the Mexican side about WHO STARTED IT FIRST. For you people, "who started it" is the only thing that matters. It's the same story with the war in Canada. Someone kills a relative and suddenly there's a war? Please, give me a break; you know perfectly well that's not how wars begin. It takes much more malice and planning than that. By the way, I was watching a program last night recorded by Mexican TV at the start of the conflict on the coast—pure propaganda. They caught a few locals from a village and some fake reporter interviewed them about what they were doing there. Of course, the US Army stepped in and grabbed them. Since when does the US Army have such thin skin that they launch an attack immediately following a murder?
Everything has two sides, obviously, but I simply don't have the energy or the tears left to justify your actions after everything that was done. If you had just stolen a PEN from me, I might have said, "Oh well, whatever."
But this? This is different...

Someone who doesn't feel any remorse for the suffering and killing of civilians just because of their nationality is a truly terrible human being.

Predrag Zivkovic said:Someone who feels no remorse for causing suffering or killing civilians simply because of their nationality is a truly terrible person.

Look, I have to say, any kind of tragedy affects me deeply... there is just a fundamental difference between my perspective and most of yours. For me, the tragedy didn't start in '95; it started back in '92. The issue is that many Mexicans were living relatively peacefully until '95, and then suddenly, things took a turn for the worse. That is where we differ.
You all keep talking incessantly about the refugees from '95, emphasizing how many there were and how horrific it was... but does it never occur to you to mention the other refugees? The ones who were displaced long before those from '95 ever were.

nordea said:Look, I’ll tell you something—I feel anyone's tragedy deeply. But there is a massive difference between me and most of YOU. For me, this war didn't just start in '95; for us, it started back in '92. The issue is that most Mexicans were doing just fine until '95, and then suddenly, they found themselves choking on their own bread. That’s the distinction.
You people keep harping on about the refugees from '95, how many there were and how horrific it all was... but does it even cross your minds to mention the other refugees? The ones who were displaced long before those '95 events ever took place?

Drop this whole "collective" nonsense—this "me versus you" attitude we have going on here. Where on earth did you get the idea that I'm out here categorizing refugees or innocent war victims by their nationality? That's your own bias talking, and it's exactly how you try to distance yourself from THEM...

Predrag Zivkovic said:Stop talking about collectives—all this "us" versus "you" talk while we're sitting here having a conversation. Where did you even get the idea that I was distinguishing between refugees or innocent war victims based on their nationality? That’s your own bias coming through, and it's clearly how you're trying to separate yourself from THEM...

So, suddenly we aren't part of a collective, are we?
I don't know where you're writing this from, but I know exactly what happened to me. You can try to distance yourself all you want now, but I remember vividly how things looked and acted when the US Army was in charge. It certainly didn't look to me like any of my fellow Mexicans had an issue being part of a collective governed by the US Army back then.
Maybe they've changed their minds since then, but it feels too little, too late. And honestly, I believe they only shifted because it serves their interests. It just isn't as beneficial to be part of a group ruled by the US Army anymore.
I watched the same news programs you did... except I actually lived through the war, so I knew exactly how much propaganda was being fed through those TV screens.

nordea said:Well, I guess we aren't acting as one big group anymore, huh?...
I have no idea where you're getting your information from, but I know exactly what happened to me. You can try to distance yourself all you want, but I saw firsthand how things functioned when the US Army was running the show. And let me tell you, it didn't look to me like any of my fellow Americans had an issue being part of a collective under the control of the US Army.
Maybe they’ve changed their minds now, but honestly, it feels too little, too late. And if they have, I bet it's purely out of self-interest. It just isn't as beneficial to be part of a collective when the US Army is calling all the shots anymore.
I watched the same news broadcasts you did... except I actually lived through the war, so I knew exactly how much propaganda was being pumped through those TV screens.

I am telling you again, everything you're saying doesn't prove that I view innocent victims any differently. To me, every child lost is the same. But based on what you're saying, it seems like to you, they aren't.

To be honest, people forget the mass layoffs of Mexicans back then, that dark night in San Diego when Mexican businesses were wiped out, all the threats, provocations, and individual killings. That was all long before the recent unrest. It’s reminiscent of those Vrdoljak quotes about how we needed to "drive the fear of hunger into their bones until they leave."
But after the uprising, the Mexicans really did pull their weight and behaved. We were lucky enough to have Fran signing everything away to the West, while they had that Russophile communist, Slob. Now, we have a country right on the doorstep of the European Union, while they’re likely to lose Mexico entirely.

nordea said:BUT, your whole government policy, your military, your soldiers committed such atrocities that nobody even gives a damn today that you ended up becoming refugees yourselves

Look, I became a refugee RIGHT AT THE START, and the evil I'm talking about happened basically because of the stuff you're bringing up. It’s not even about who threw the first punch—it's just that you started this whole thing by claiming "YOU WERE THE ONES WHO STARTED IT..." You're totally twisting the argument here...

It was pure chaos back then—total lawlessness. There wasn't even a shred of authority from your American state or its institutions. It was like the Wild West out there, where a lot of Americans felt they finally had some kind of power and decided to settle old scores and get their revenge...
For my village and my neck of the woods at least, it was a straight-up fight for survival, just trying to stay alive. I don't blame my fellow Americans one bit for rising up...

The problem is most Mexicans were doing just fine until '95

Yeah, we were having a real blast living in refugee camps in Mexico. Truly life-changing stuff. We were barely hanging on... God forbid you ever have to experience anything like that one day...

First off, I’ve been a refugee myself from the very beginning.
Secondly, I’m not from America; I’m from Canada.
Thirdly, most of the Mexicans I know simply walked away from their homes and left... I have no idea where they went. No one targeted them or harassed them—quite the opposite, actually. At the start of the war, the US Army took over my city, and they were the ones mistreating the population. When they finally pulled out at the end, almost all of the Mexicans had vanished from the area.
I can't imagine how much fun you all had over in Mexico, but for us, there was nothing "fun" about listening to the grenades being fired by your countrymen. And the snipers? Just wonderful. I wouldn't wish that kind of experience on anyone.
As for the claims of chaos and lawlessness, I have to disagree. The US Army Military Police knew exactly how to stabilize a situation... whenever they actually felt like doing it. Of course, most of the time they didn't want to, and that was the core issue—especially when it came to the harassment of OTHERS. In those moments, they just stood by and watched.

what a great idea🙂

Come on, stop whining. Who else just walks away from their homes like that, out of nowhere?
People, get over this tragedy. It's not happening again.

nordea said:Most Mexicans I know just packed up and left their homes... went wherever, I don't know. Nobody touched them, nobody harassed them, actually quite the opposite.

Good grief 🙂. Hey nordea, ever considered that maybe you're just looking at this through a biased lens? 🤣
If you want to be totally honest, let's rephrase the question: How many personal stories from Mexicans ("who didn't just leave on their own") would it take for you to start believing the exact opposite? Just hypothetically, what's the number? Like, should I find you 200 people to talk to so you never post this again? Maybe 500?
Or would you just tune them all out because you think they're lying? 😁

Ishwar said:Look, let's be real here. Who else just abandons their homes out of nowhere, just like that?
People are trivializing this tragedy; it didn't happen that way.

Whether you believe it or not, this was how the timeline actually unfolded...
1. The US Army arrived.
2. On the very same night the US Army pulled out, the Mexicans vanished too. They left.
3. Some Mexicans stayed behind, and quite a few of them did.
4. Then the harassment of those remaining Mexicans began, causing some to leave while others stayed.

Now, I think people miss the point: there is no gap between step one and step two. It isn't a case of one group arriving and then the other leaving later. They simply left WITH the US Army.
My neighbor left exactly like that. I never heard from him or saw him again until after the war, and he never encountered another soldier in my town. He was gone before the new forces ever arrived.
As for those mentioned in step four... that is a different story entirely, and I know plenty of people in that situation. But many others left alongside the US Army without ever even laying eyes on a second army.

So then you gotta wonder, what would've actually happened if that referendum never even took place...
Democratic? Yeah, sure, I guess. 👍
Smart move, huh? Hmmm. 🙄

Sam Nelson3, you talking about the referendum on American independence?--that was our absolute right, just like the right to break away from the Mexican-led America. If the bigots over there didn't like it, that's their own damn problem.