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Nationalism vs. Chauvinism: Where is the line?

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Participants Bradley Jones68Carl Hill6Sarah Wilson95dustyscout53Michael Adams2Arthur Ruiz2stormywolf65wearycrane7rapidhound78Jack Campbell59nimblemarlin17Jose Chase2Kevin Hall8dustypilot22shadowfalcon33Hannah Edwards
Sarah Wilson95 Sarah Wilson95 Regular
267 messages
joined Sep 2006
#101 ·
Michael Adams2 said:Like it or not... honestly, who cares if you guys didn't care for America...

You either genuinely lack common sense, or you're trying desperately to act like you're being clever when you're actually just being malicious. You said "we didn't care," but then switched it up to "you guys didn't care."😁..how convenient.

And just to be clear, I didn't edit my post; I simply chose to leave it out.

I've already shared everything I have to say on the subject, so feel free to continue with your ridiculous interpretations if it makes you feel better.

As for begging for a ban, please—that doesn't affect me one bit.😉
dustypilot22 dustypilot22 Regular
439 messages
joined Apr 2007
#102 ·
Kevin Hall8 said:The conversation is being flooded with chauvinistic rhetoric designed to fuel national hatred and tribalism. It’s basically trying to paint the entire Mexican population with the brush of Royalist ideology, or the entire American population with Nationalists ideology.😕

Humbly, with a little extra whipped cream on top, I’d love to see an American equivalent.

Thanks so much!
Michael Adams2 Michael Adams2 Active Member
213 messages
joined Dec 2005
#103 ·
Sarah Wilson95 said:so I didn't actually edit the post, I just—well, I left it out, I guess

and honestly, whining about getting banned? please. it doesn't bother me one bit, really😉


such a liar..

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Michael Adams2 says:
just another one of those super shallow posts
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look what you did.. you've got words under my username that I never even wrote... I mean, whatever, I just think someone should call you out on the lie..

And oh, wouldn't it be just lovely if your local Top 40 station played some catchy little tune every single day after someone passes away from some nasty cancer..

Seriously, what kind of European woman are you? You're not open-minded at all, you basically need to be locked up..

and man, I think you're probably the biggest crybaby on this whole Forum, like, there isn't a single day where you don't leave some stupid comment on the Complaint book saying that being banned doesn't affect you... honestly, it's enough to make me crack up..

rev, you're honestly such a pathetic person... I actually feel bad for you, for real..
dustypilot22 dustypilot22 Regular
439 messages
joined Apr 2007
#104 ·
Principessa said:Unfortunately, Lipi, we aren't talking about just fifty years...
I actually have a dictionary from 1983, published by Scholastic in New York, and everything was censored back then in the old US, yet the definition provided is exactly as stated above.
If you look at even older dictionaries, you’ll find these same definitions for words that have existed for centuries or even millennia—words used by the ancient Romans, which serve as their linguistic roots and were defined under Roman Law. This trend of equating nationalism with chauvinism only started a few years ago, driven by certain local pseudo-intellectuals and old-school hardliners. Eventually, they'll probably work their way into future editions of unwritten dictionaries... 🙂

Why even be surprised?

Back in the old US, NATIONALISM in its true and literal sense was undesirable—not to mention outright forbidden.

For those raised under that system, NATIONALISM in its actual, literal sense remains something negative, something to be ashamed of or suppressed.
And that's really all there is to it.
Those people simply have a specific mindset.

It's hardly any wonder.
Sarah Wilson95 Sarah Wilson95 Regular
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#105 ·
Michael Adams2 said:just a dishonest person..

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Michael Adams2 says:
just one more shallow post in a long line of them
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Look, you actually went and put words in my mouth by attaching them to my username when I never said them... honestly, it doesn't matter much, other than the fact that someone is going to catch you in a blatant lie..

And you refuse to comment on how it would be nice if WNYC played a fitting little song for you every single day after someone passes away from a terminal illness..

I mean, what kind of European woman are you supposed to be? You aren't open-minded at all; frankly, you need to be locked up..

In my opinion, you are the biggest whiner on this Forum, and there isn't a single day that goes by where you don't leave some mindless nonsense on the Complaint book claiming that being banned doesn't affect you... it's truly laughable..

Sarah Wilson95, you really are a pathetic individual... and I genuinely feel sorry for you..


Honestly, screw you and your "post." You're such an idiot; the very fact that we even have to communicate with people like you shows why I bother replying. THAT was the point, but clearly, you missed it!

Go ahead, report me then. Do you really think you'll be any less of a total piece of trash if I'm not around here??

😁 😁
Michael Adams2 Michael Adams2 Active Member
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joined Dec 2005
#106 ·
Sarah Wilson95 said:Oh, shut up with your little "post." Honestly, I don't even know why I'm bothering to reply to you since we can't even speak the same language, let alone communicate properly... THAT WAS THE POINT BUT YOU TOTALLY MISSED IT!

Go ahead, report me. You think being a complete jerk is gonna change just because I'm not hanging around here??

😁 😁


Look, you can totally send a message without quoting someone else just to dump your nonsense... actually, that's against the Forum rules...

So yeah, go ahead and report yourself for a ban...
dustypilot22 dustypilot22 Regular
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joined Apr 2007
#107 ·
Sarah Wilson95 said:Just try to grasp that everyone else in this city—and honestly, in this entire country—didn't have this specific version of America in mind when they were dreaming of the future. This isn't what we were promised.

I realized that a long time ago.
Sarah Wilson95 Sarah Wilson95 Regular
267 messages
joined Sep 2006
#108 ·
Honestly,

I haven't the slightest clue which little song you're referring to. Is it something about Harmon? I've never heard it, to be quite honest.

Besides, there’s plenty of variety at the local corner store, and I assume you don't mind that, just as you don't seem to mind occasionally letting loose all those impossible nonsense theories you have regarding President Clinton.

It's much like how you all were practically swooning over that traffic accident involving Vesna Pusić and mourning her dog...

It seems—everyone has their own unique "value system."
shadowfalcon33 shadowfalcon33 Active Member
64 messages
joined Jan 2008
#109 ·
There are far too many complications surrounding this topic. I'm going to temporarily lock this thread.
shadowfalcon33 shadowfalcon33 Active Member
64 messages
joined Jan 2008
#110 ·
Moving this thread to the Lounge, because there's really no other place for it.

Revolution edited that specific post, and then, several entries later, she just keeps going with the insults. Seven days.

I am asking all of you once again: please do not alter any quotes, not even in the way Revolution did.

Since I'm already typing, someone asked why Fairy hasn't been banned yet. While I personally disagree with Fairy's post, please keep in mind that it happened in the Lounge—and since you all wanted it, we have loosened our moderation.

Best regards,
shadowfalcon33
dustypilot22 dustypilot22 Regular
439 messages
joined Apr 2007
#111 ·
shadowfalcon33 said:Revolution 🙂 takes 7 days.

😲 😲 😲

We really want a free Revolution!!! 😠 😠 😠

When will September 7th at 3:25 PM finally arrive? 😢 🙂
Hannah Edwards Hannah Edwards Active Member
111 messages
joined Sep 2006
#112 ·
shadowfalcon33 said:Best regards,
P. (just being cheeky)


😬 😍
shadowfalcon33 shadowfalcon33 Active Member
64 messages
joined Jan 2008
#113 ·
Fairy,
The link in your signature isn't working. 😕
Hannah Edwards Hannah Edwards Active Member
111 messages
joined Sep 2006
#114 ·
shadowfalcon33 said:Fairy,
that link you sent isn't working. 😕


Got it. Thanks, I'll update 🙂

It was pointing to some video of deep space from NASA.
dustypilot22 dustypilot22 Regular
439 messages
joined Apr 2007
#115 ·
Hannah Edwards said:Got it, thanks! I'll go ahead and change 🙂

He was showing some footage from NASA of deep space...

You certainly have a long way to go!
Hannah Edwards Hannah Edwards Active Member
111 messages
joined Sep 2006
#116 ·
dustypilot22 said:You live quite a distance away!


Yeah. This is my home. It’s beautiful, isn't it?

Alright. It's working now.
dustypilot22 dustypilot22 Regular
439 messages
joined Apr 2007
#117 ·
Hannah Edwards said:Yeah. This is my home. It’s beautiful, isn't it?

I have to say, I'm not exactly blown away by this.

I might have to go as far as saying I'm not enjoying this one bit.

And to you! Mine.? 😍
Arthur Ruiz2 Arthur Ruiz2 Active Member
115 messages
joined May 2005
#118 ·
Petar kružić said:Just admit you're from St. Louis, come on... hehe

Every Muslim, whether they hail from Canada or Herzegovina, traces their roots back to either St. Louis or Chicago...

You all seem to have this intense urban complex... perhaps it's just baked into your history since the recent emergence of this identity... hehe... it's as if your ancestors were all high-ranking officials and dignitaries... hehe... a bit much, isn't it?

It stands in such stark contrast to Americans who take genuine pride in their small towns and rural roots...

Not to mention those folks trying to pass themselves off as Chicago residents when they actually hail from places like Gusinje or Plav in the Sandžak region... hehe...

Your story keeps shifting... first, you claimed the word Duvno was a nationalist slur, then you said it was just geography, then you argued Duvno was superior to any small town I could possibly be from, and then you started bringing up Nevesinje and Gacko. Then suddenly it wasn't Nevesinje specifically, just the surrounding area, and you acted offended by where I actually come from... meanwhile, you've gone from saying people should be proud of being from the country to claiming I'm the one from the sticks, despite me also being from St. Louis.
So, according to you, some people can take pride in rural life while others are just "from the sticks"?
Isn't that the very definition of hypocrisy?
No one can pretend to be something they aren't. Personally, I'm happy being a city person... though I've always felt there is a certain romance to rural life: the small-town charm, the plowed fields, everything being so orderly, the fresh fruit and all that.
Unfortunately, I haven't had much chance to experience farm life firsthand, though I used to go hiking quite often around Zelengor, and my family is into hunting.
The whole obsession with "rural vs. urban" was largely pushed during the era of communism because the goal was to build a "working class," which couldn't happen if everyone was already living in cities. So, the countryside was painted in a negative light just to encourage people to migrate to metropolitan areas! That’s why you end up with a place like St. Louis, which is filled with people from the West as well as from places like Nevesinje. Though, in my experience, there are more people from the Gacko area than Nevesinje.
Most Americans here actually migrated to St. Louis, so very few are true old-timers. Honestly, I don't have an issue with anyone, provided they adapt to the local way of life and social etiquette. For instance, you shouldn't throw trash out of an apartment window or clip your nails on a fifth-floor balcony!👋
wearycrane7 wearycrane7 Active Member
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joined Jan 2008
#119 ·
Arthur Ruiz2 said:You’re getting a little confused there... first you claimed the term was some kind of nationalist slur, then you pivoted and said it was just a geographic marker, and then suddenly you were insisting that

My bad, really... haha... I don't think I ever actually wrote that anywhere...

Not only are you totally missing the point, but it honestly feels like you're high or something. 😵
dustypilot22 dustypilot22 Regular
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joined Apr 2007
#120 ·
Arthur Ruiz2 said:Hunting runs in my family.

The original community.

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