Nationalism vs. Chauvinism: Where is the line?

dustyscout53 said:The games really could use some moderators. 😁 😁 😁

Well, we’re getting pretty close to the top of rapidhound78's "idiot leaderboard." Though, honestly? He’s still miles ahead of us... 😢

dustyscout53 said:The game is missing referees. 😁 😁 😁

They already have them. Three per game. You've got the head ref, the linesmen, and then there’s that fourth guy standing by the scoreboard.😉

wearycrane7 said:To be honest, I couldn't care less. But I do know one thing: Duvno is basically your version of California.

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It doesn't bother me at all, and frankly, you don't have any clue what my hometown is actually like, so how can you even judge?
And honestly, none of this really affects me either!😁 👋

rapidhound78 said:They’ve already got plenty—three per game. You’ve got the lead ref, the linesmen... then there's that fourth guy just chilling by the scoreboard.😉

I'm talking about the fans, though. Every single one of them gets a lifetime ban.

dustyscout53 said:To all the fans out there: honestly, just take a massive ban.

Why even bother? You aren't even showing up to the games anyway. Why do you care if people are fighting? At least we don't have the chaos they deal with in the Netherlands or other parts of the West. If you saw what was actually happening over there, you’d shut up about us being "wild" for once.

Arthur Ruiz2 said:😁
I couldn't care less, honestly, and since you clearly haven't the slightest clue what my neck of the woods is actually like, you aren't in any position to pass judgment on me!
And frankly, I don't give a damn about that either!😁 👋

Just admit you're from Mostar already... come on, let's be real... hehe

It seems like every single Muslim, whether they hail from Canada or Herzegovina, eventually traces their roots back to either Mostar or Ottawa...

You all seem to suffer from this massive urban complex... probably baked into your DNA along with that whole newly invented identity history of yours... hehe... it’s as if everyone's ancestors were high-ranking officials or grandees... hehe... give me a break.

Compare that to Americans, who actually take genuine pride in their small towns and rural roots...

Not to mention your "newly minted" brothers from places like Gusinje or Plav in the Sandžak region, who are all desperately trying to sell themselves as being from Ottawa... hehe

Any fan causing trouble deserves a massive reward for their hard work—getting hung from a lamppost until sunrise. If you pull that crap again, you get the exact same treatment. Just keep it up until the trash finally gives up. And those fans who claim they aren't about violence? They should probably start actually showing their "stance" instead of just sitting there watching people get beat down. Boro, didn't think I'd jump into this debate like this, did you? 🙏

Hmm, I wouldn't say that's quite right... 😁 but fine, let's go with it...

rapidhound78 said:Why even bother? You don't even attend the matches yourself. Why should you care if there’s fighting? Besides, we don't really have that issue here... if you saw what goes on in places like the Netherlands or elsewhere in the West, you might actually shut up about us Americans and our fans acting like savages for a second.

In the States, stadium violence is practically non-existent. If I recall correctly, the last major incident was back at that cup final in a city like Miami a few years ago.

The propaganda machine is doing its job, plain and simple. They love to run headlines like "England finally cracked down on hooligans..." and all that nonsense. What a joke. Sure, maybe you see it at Premier League games or top-tier matches, but sometimes the real chaos is the siege outside the stadiums themselves. West Ham United, Millwall FC... do I really need to spell it out for you? And then there's the fact that you still deal with stadium violence in the third tier, but of course... the mainstream media finds none of that interesting enough to report.

@ nimblemarlin17 - you actually understand how fan culture works, so I’ll give you a pass to talk your crap. But as for the idiots who think they're geniuses on every single subject—within their own little bubbles over on the subforums 😁—I’m definitely not giving them that kind of credit. They haven't even stepped foot in a stadium in their lives, so this has absolutely nothing to do with them.

stormywolf65 said:There’s basically zero violence at stadiums here in America. I think the last bit of real trouble was back during that cup final in Split a few years ago.

The propaganda machine is doing its job, plain and simple. They love to run these stories saying, "Oh, they finally cleaned up the hooligans in England..." Give me a break. Sure, maybe you don't see it as much in Premier League matches or top-tier games, but man, sometimes the stadiums get completely besieged. You look at West Ham United or Millwall FC... do I even need to spell it out? And don't even get me started on the third division, where things still get ugly, but hey, the mainstream media doesn't find that profitable enough to cover.

The absolute craziest moment I ever saw was during that match against Debrecen in Split... about thirty drugged-up idiots suddenly decided to start setting seats on fire and charging the barricades separating the Northwest section....

And then you have everyone else in the North and East stands just chanting, "YOU ARE ALL IDIOTS!" right back at them.

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If you haven't spent at least one night sitting in a holding cell because of a football match, you honestly have no business lecturing anyone about what it means to be a fan. Period. 😁

wearycrane7 said:The absolute peak of chaos was that game against Debrecen in Split... about 30 high as kites started setting seats on fire and charging at the fence separating the Northwest section...

Meanwhile, everyone else in the North and East stands is just chanting, "YOU PEOPLE ARE IDIOTS!"

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Let's be real here... it wasn't 30 people. It was easily closer to 300.

stormywolf65 said:If you haven't been detained at least once over a game, you don't get to claim you're a real fan. Period.😁

Not quite... though maybe there's still hope for you.

stormywolf65 said:If you haven’t been thrown in a cell at least once over some game, then you don't get a seat at the table when we're talking about being a real fan. Period. 😁

Thrown in a cell? Man, please. I actually ended up behind bars during the induction ceremony for Dražen Petrović into the Hall of Fame...

The whole thing was complete chaos—they even had these videos of Vlade Divac playing, who was basically the arch-rival of the late Dražen...

And then, well, everything just went completely sideways... hehe

So, beat that. And honestly, what kind of "game" could possibly be intense enough to warrant that??

LOL

wearycrane7 said:The absolute peak of chaos was that game against Debrecen in San Diego... about 30 high as kites started setting seats on fire and charging at the fence separating the Northwest section...

While the rest of the North and East stands just chant, "YOU ARE ALL IDIOTS!"

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I actually know some of those "30," so you don't necessarily have to jump straight to calling them druggies. Honestly, people were just fed up with having some low-life mobster like Stan running the club...

You see... these fans shell out $167 every single week just to support the team through travel and everything else, yet they're the ones getting criticized. And usually, it's the fair-weather crowd who shows up to the stadium maybe twice a year for the big games, acting like they're the most hardcore Hajduk fans/Dinamo fans/Osijek natives/Rijeka natives out there...🙄

mali_boro said:I mean, come on... it wasn't just like 30 people... we're talking closer to 300...

Don't go overboard here... I was actually out in the East and saw the whole thing with my own eyes... it was maybe a hundred tops, give or take.

wearycrane7 said:What do you mean imprisoned? I was actually hauled off by the cops during Dražen Petrović’s induction into the Hall of Fame...

The whole ceremony even featured clips of Vlade Divac, who was basically Dražen’s arch-nemesis...

And then the whole thing just went completely sideways... hehe

Try beating that. And honestly, what did it matter if the game itself had been any good??

LOL

Yawn... 🙂

No big deal...
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Petar kružić said:Don't get ahead of yourself... I spent time out East and saw the whole thing firsthand... a hundred or so... all just noise in your head.

Well, damn, I was up North. 😉

hr.Łipi said:I actually know some of those "30 people," so you don't need to jump straight to calling them druggies. It’s just that people are fed up with having some shady mobster like Štico running the show.

See, the thing is... these fans spend $167 every single week supporting this club—think about the gas money, the hotels, the endless road trips—yet they’re still the ones getting dragged. And usually, the people doing the dragging are the types who show up to the stadium maybe twice a year when there's a massive rivalry game, acting all high and mighty like they're the ultimate Hajduk fans or the biggest Dinamo fans or the most hardcore people from Osijek or Rijeka... 🙄

And now you've started coming for me and you too... hehhee

Look, I'll be honest... I only make it out to the Rose Bowl twice a year... and I love Hajduk... and frankly, I was pretty embarrassed during that match against Debrecen... if I were on drugs, who knows, maybe I would've been flying high too...

But man... what did they honestly think was going to happen when they were charging at the barricades? All they were going to get was a face full of security... and some of them certainly did.

hehe