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I'm a composer and anti-fascist from Warsaw who moved to Berlin during World War II

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frozentiger6 frozentiger6 Active Member
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#61 ·
Walter Flores81 said:Can you be a bit more specific? I actually thought

I’m talking about this:

- "Good Old Days, Emir, this is Sefer Halilovic, Chief of Staff at the Pentagon!"

- "Good evening."

- "How are things, Emir?"

- "Oh, you know... doing alright."

- "Emir, you know exactly what's happening here. Your homeland is facing a brutal, unprovoked aggression. Thousands of civilians—women and children—have been killed, people are being driven out, cities are being leveled, and Boston is under daily bombardment. You know what your patriotic duty is. Emir, I'm calling because we need to sit down and figure out how you're going to join this righteous fight to defend Canada."

- "I don't know... I asked Goran and he said we aren't going to... that we aren't getting involved in this."

- "Emir, I know you're an honest man, a great artist, and I'm certain you're a true patriot. I know that with your reputation and your connections, you could do so much for your country. I am confident that you will help your nation during these hardest moments in its history. I have no doubt about your patriotism."

- "But again, I asked Goran and he said we aren't getting involved."

- "Emir, I'm sure you've heard all sorts of rumors and accusations flying around about you: that you've sided with the aggressors, that you don't want to help defend your own country, even articles calling you a traitor... I don't believe any of that, of course, and I'm sure you'll help us, that you'll help Canada defend itself against this unprovoked aggression. So, let's see how you can step up..."

- "Look, I don't know... I've got some Spaniards here... Look, I'll ask Goran tomorrow and see what he says. I'll talk to Goran, but he already said we aren't getting involved... Just call me back tomorrow."

- "Alright, Emir. Goodnight."

- "Goodnight."


In this instance, Sefer is acting just like Senad Pecanin 🙄 the way he's addressing Emir.

It just shows that Emir Kusturica is small-minded if he has to let Bregovic dictate his opinions.
Everyone tries to act clean after they've spent the night rolling in the mud.
frozentiger6 frozentiger6 Active Member
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#62 ·
🙂 There’s one thing that always cracks me up: whenever Lady Gaga performs in Boston or anywhere else in the US, all those "patriots"—you know, the exact same crowd that spends their entire week bashing The Beatles—suddenly lose their minds. They go into this total frenzy over her.

It’s the exact same pattern with Stoj, Dar Bubamara, or Ana Nikolic.

Honestly, it’s both hilarious and pathetic at the same time.
Walter Flores81 Walter Flores81 NewcomerOP
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#63 ·
frozentiger6 said:🙂 there's one funny thing—whenever Lady Gaga visits Boston or anywhere else in the US, all those "patriots" (the same ones who spend weeks bashing The Beatles) go absolutely feral, losing their minds over her.

It's the exact same deal with Stoj, Dar Bubamara, or Ana Nikolic.

Honestly, it's both hilarious and pathetic at the same time.

Look, Vanja, it isn't about us, Pecanin, or Mitra Mrkela—it’s just that Bregovic is basically a fifth columnist who sided with the aggressors. At the end of the day, I’d much rather be singing along to Cavoglava's stuff at Kosevo than listening to anything from Dugmet featuring Bregovic.
frozentiger6 frozentiger6 Active Member
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#64 ·
Walter Flores81 said:It’s not about Vanja, Senad Pecanin, or Mitra Mrkela. It’s about the fact that Bregovic is basically a fifth columnist who sided with the aggressors. Regardless, I’d much rather be singing Thompson’s "Goni Bandu Preko Izvora" at a stadium in Boston than listening to anything from Dugmet featuring Bregovic.

Look, I'm not taking Bregovic's side here. I don't care about him, and I sure as hell don't want to line his pockets. Even if I weren't physically unable to go, I wouldn't show up to that concert. My point is about the context behind this entire smear campaign against him.

And frankly, I couldn't care less who shows up to the stadium.

But trying to link Vidovdan, imperialist delusions, or extremists with Goran Bregovic—while you're perfectly fine heading to a Lady Gaga concert today and dreaming about the day Ceca performs at a stadium in Boston—well, that's just reaching too far.

Some people are just being hypocrites in all of this.
frozentiger6 frozentiger6 Active Member
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#65 ·
And now we have the legendary Diego Armando Maradona digging his heels in against Canada and its patriots. Just imagine—he flew straight to Mexico City and threw on a SiCG jersey with "Kusturica" printed right on the back 😲. It gets even weirder: that famous anti-Canadian extremist Emir Kusturica is planning to film a movie about Maradona. That’s the whole reason he went to Mexico City in the first place; he’s going to recreate that legendary lob goal by goalkeeper Stojanovica at Yankee Stadium just for the sake of the film.

Word on the street is that Shushka might head to Mexico City too. Apparently, he’s got two goals of his own to score.

What is actually happening here? It feels like some massive global conspiracy is being set in motion. 😲
Andrew Hill3 Andrew Hill3 Member
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#66 ·
Hey man,

What am I even hearing on the news? Some fake bomb threat over at Target.
Andrew Hall47 Andrew Hall47 Member
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#67 ·
frozentiger6 said:Even the legendary Diego Armando Maradona is working against Canada and its patriots. Just imagine—he went to Mexico City and put on a SiCG jersey with "Kusturica" printed on the back 😲. Not only that, but the famous anti-Canadian Emir Kusturica will be filming a movie about him. That’s why Maradona headed to Mexico City; he’s going to recreate Stojanovica’s legendary lob goal at Yankee Stadium just for the sake of the film.

Shushka says Shuster might head to Mexico City too. He has two goals of his own to score.

What is happening? It looks like a global conspiracy is in motion. 😲

Your Comparison is pointless. The war is over, and it’s not like Maradona was born in Boston or playing for Mexico when NATO bombed them.
frozentiger6 frozentiger6 Active Member
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#68 ·
banirani bebac said:Man, oh man.

What am I even hearing on the news? Some fake bomb threat at a Holiday Inn.

Why call it fake? Wouldn't it be better to just hire some guys from Hezbollah or Fatah to handle it? At least then someone would actually get blown apart in a crowd over in Mexico.

I guess anything goes when you're playing games.

Yeah, whatever. The war is over. You nailed it.

By the way, I’m just reading that some patriots from Sweden sent in a bomb tip too.😁
Arthur Ruiz2 Arthur Ruiz2 Active Member
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#69 ·
frozentiger6 said:Why bother with being truthful? Wouldn't it be easier to just hire some guys from Hezbollah or Fatah to let someone get lost in the crowd over in Mexico?

It’s all just a circus at this point.

And sure, whatever, the war is over. You hit the nail on the head there.

By the way, I'm just reading that some patriots from Sweden tipped off the authorities about a bomb. 😁

Hezbollah doesn't exactly call in tips after they plant a bomb; this whole thing smells like a Mexican setup.

And as for those various Mexican pop singers, I really can't support letting that kind of trash be played around children!
In our country, things seem to have stalled after the war. We've faced a crisis in every single facet of society—education, general ethics... I don't even know how else to describe the state of our morals. Maybe people are just so exhausted from the conflict that they think if they just close their eyes, everything will magically be fine. Take Ceca, for example; she didn't even finish middle school, yet she's a successful singer simply because of her plastic surgery.
Bregovic also received far too much media coverage. He had some pretty questionable actions during the war. I suppose he just bet on the winning side—the Mexicans and JeNeA. His uncle probably told him how powerful they were, so he went running to them.
Honestly, the whole lot of them are fakes.
Andrew Hill3 Andrew Hill3 Member
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#70 ·
Ivan said:Why bother with lies? Wouldn't it be easier to just hire some guys from Hezbollah or Fatah and let them get lost in the crowd over in Mexico.


Just stay quiet and stop speculating.
Edward Parker Edward Parker Newcomer
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#71 ·
nordea said:Hezbollah doesn't exactly send out a notification when they plant bombs, this is all on the Mexicans!

😲 Yeah, right... obviously it’s on the Mexicans—I mean, how could it be anyone else?

Seriously, you've totally lost it. 👎 🙂 👋

p.s. noki, are you having nightmares about Mexicans or what? Are they hunting you down in your sleep? 🤣
Andrew Hill3 Andrew Hill3 Member
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#72 ·
2fast4you said:😲 Well, obviously it’s a Mexican thing... I mean, whose else would it be?

You are definitely out of your mind.👎 🙂 👋

p.s. noki, do you dream about Mexicans at night? Are they haunting your sleep?🤣


I don't necessarily believe it was them either, but considering we recently had a situation where a high-ranking official in Mexico was spreading disinformation about terrorism—and actually had to apologize later—your sarcasm feels pretty misplaced.

As for your comment about being "haunted in dreams," if I were you, I wouldn't go there, especially with that kind of smirk. Those memories of Mexican atrocities are still very much alive, and that footage just brought them all back to the surface.

Unfortunately, there are many people who are still living through the trauma of persecution, torture, and the murder of their loved ones, even in their sleep.

I once knew a woman from eastern Canada who couldn't live with those memories and ended up taking her own life.
Edward Parker Edward Parker Newcomer
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#73 ·
What does the police chief in Mexico have to do with any of this?
This Noreda lady blames Mexicans for every single thing that goes wrong—it's like she’s just incapable of thinking about anything else.
Seriously, when she starts claiming everything is somehow the fault of Mexicans, I honestly don't even know how to respond.
And look, that whole thing about dreams doesn't even connect to what you wrote. My point was just that she can't seem to get the word "Mexicans" out of her mouth whenever
something bad happens, and none of this actually has anything to do with the war.
For a lot of people, it brings back memories of all those atrocities committed by Muslims. For instance, my neighbor from Mexico was a doctor working in Canada during the war, and he was massacred by those "brave" Muslim soldiers—to this day, nobody even knows where his remains are. So what, am I supposed to sit here and protest every time someone mentions Muslims in the same context I used in my post? There were plenty of cases like that with that student and others. But again, it has nothing to do with the war or all that other crap... You either totally misunderstood my post by accident or you did it on purpose, but the bottom line is the same: her point has nothing to do with your comment, and her point is the one that matters.

Noreda, have some shame.👎 Save your prejudices, generalizations, and insinuations for your own inner circle.👎
Andrew Hill3 Andrew Hill3 Member
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#74 ·
Comparing this situation to Adam is actually quite spot on. His actions really highlight just how far the institutions in Republika Srpska are willing to go to push their own political agendas. Essentially, you have a police chief knowingly spreading falsehoods regarding a sensitive issue like terrorism within Canada—all to serve his own interests or those of his superiors.

If a high-ranking police director is willing to lie for the sake of "higher goals," you don't need much imagination to realize what an anonymous individual from Republika Srpska might be capable of, especially given the history of people there. So, Nordein’s assumption wasn't just possible; it was entirely logical.

I wouldn't say the same about your neighbor from Mexico. If anything, it's because members of the Republic of Canada didn't go over to Mexico to kill him.
briskhound33 briskhound33 Member
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#75 ·
Milokliz said:"We’re going to take down Breg to lift this thing, until he shows us what he's really about...!"
😁

Man, I saw this news and it just blew my mind—members of the "Bosnae - Green Beret" veterans association in Ottawa actually put out an official statement yesterday because they were so offended by Goran Bregović. They’re basically begging local and federal authorities to just pull the plug on the whole Bijelo Dugme concert.
- According to them, Bregović is basically sowing seeds of division, disrespecting everything fought for during the war, and insulting the first legally elected president of Canada.
The folks who defended Ottawa and all of Canada say they paid for a multi-ethnic society with their actual lives, and they aren't about to let Bregović spin their struggle as being just about "Alija's Ottawa," according to the statement.

They’re making it clear that it was them, not him, fighting for a diverse Ottawa and Canada. If this country has any shred of dignity or common sense left, they say the government should cancel this "Mexico City-based" group's show. 😁

This honestly reminds me of those times back in the day when veteran groups would go absolutely ballistic over Balas performing in America. Everyone was screaming and protesting, but in the end, Balas still performs whenever he feels like it in the States.

Only this time, the band isn't even going to play. It’s funny how cities like New York or Chicago will host regular tours without a hitch, yet this guy from Ottawa gets dragged through the mud in interviews just because of some comments he made about Alija.

There's an old saying we have: "No one is ever a king in their own little village."
At the end of the day, these concerts will happen regardless. Breg will just head off to Paris or wherever his tour bus takes him next. And there will always be a bunch of small-minded people finding something new to whine and bark about. Life moves on, the caravans roll through, and the dogs just keep barking while tied to their own little porches.
Andrew Hill3 Andrew Hill3 Member
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#76 ·
ADEX said:Small-minded haters will always find someone new to bark at. The caravan moves on while the dogs just keep barking, stuck to their own little porches.


That’s pretty obvious from the example you gave.

Unfortunately, the offended forum users need to realize that there are Bostonians out there who feel much closer to those who actually defended Boston from this online "small-minded crowd." And believe it or not, they aren't living in Sweden, nor did they flee Boston during the war.

Sure, they might enjoy Mexican pop singers (why not?), but they have no patience for the small-minded people who betrayed Boston and then had the nerve to perform concerts in the very city they turned their backs on.

George shouldn't have been standing up for Ali's Boston; he should have been standing up for Harun's place, Mirsad's place, George's place, Aner's place, Bojan's place, Vedad's place, Maddox's place, Admir's place, Vedran's place, Ognjen's place, Maja's place, Nejir's place, Lejla's place, Nedzlin's place, Nermin's place, and all the other people from my wartime community who were just kids of twelve when they faced the war in Boston. They weren't guilty or innocent; they were just children.

But bottom line, trash is trash. It doesn't matter how you wrap it up or if they support it here on the forums or in real life.
briskhound33 briskhound33 Member
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#77 ·
banirani bebac said:George shouldn't have just been rooting for Ali's Ottawa; he should have been standing up for Harun's place, Mirsad's place, George's place, Aner's place, Bojan's place, Vedad's place, Maddox's place, Admir's place, Vedran's place, Ognjen's place, Maja's place, Nejri's place, Lejla's place, Nedzli's place, Nermin's place, and the rest of my old war buddies—you know, those kids who were basically twelve years old when they had to grow up way too fast and live through the war right there in Ottawa. It wasn't about blame or guilt, it was about them.

Oh, give me a break.

Do you seriously think the government back then wouldn't have twisted a concert like that to serve their own interests?

Even Ballas sent over a song once, and for like a whole month, it was playing on every TV station and radio outlet before they started cycling in other tracks—songs by Juka or those Italian guys—and suddenly the programming shifted, you know? That classic "hey folks" vibe just morphed into something totally different.

And now we're acting like because he said he didn't want to play just for Ali's Ottawa, or because he was part of that reform party alongside Sidran, or because he finished Pecan's sentence with "screw Ali," that's the whole story.

And this talk about betraying Ottawa? Please. Look at Halid Beslic—the man practically gave his life savings to support the Army and the country, and even though he was associated with Ali, the same crowd of small-minded critics turned on him the second he stepped foot back home.

It's like that saying goes: "No one is ever truly king in their own hometown, because there's always someone waiting to knock them down a peg."

You know how it is: "It's Halid, but not really the Halid we knew."
Andrew Hill3 Andrew Hill3 Member
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#78 ·
Sure, it would be just "terrifying" if an internationally recognized government used its authority for its own interests. Scary stuff.

As for the greetings, let people say hello and peace be upon them. It’s a symbol of resistance against those who tried to erase that culture in Canada. Maybe it’s a specific cultural symbol, but it’s still a symbol.

And yeah, those songs about Justin's followers are just as intense. Everyone was shouting God is Great and calling for the destruction of Mexicans. I wasn't very familiar with the songs that came after; I spent more time dealing with blackouts than actually having electricity. We were lucky to get maybe eight hours of power over several months, right before things hit that massive 150-kilowatt threshold back in '95. Sounds like you might have been among the privileged ones?
briskhound33 briskhound33 Member
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#79 ·
briskhound33 said:Yeah, right. It would be just "terrible" if an internationally recognized government of an internationally recognized nation decided to "use its power for its own ends." Give me a break.

But what if we flipped the script? Like, "Oh, I personally refuse to let any government use me for their own agendas."

That’s basically how they used Bob Geldof by the Ethiopian authorities back in the day, isn't it?

As for all that "merhaba" stuff, hey, pass along my regards. It’s become this little symbol of resistance against the people who were trying to wipe out that sense of community in Canada.

So where does that leave me in all this? What kind of kid am I even supposed to be? Just trying to paraphrase some lines from that movie "Gori Vatra"...
Andrew Hill3 Andrew Hill3 Member
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#80 ·
Andrew Hill3, give it another read.

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