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Dealing with the teenage years is a nightmare

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Scott Howard74 Scott Howard74 Active Member
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#21 ·
Gregory Wells6 said:I really hope you’re right and that there’s light at the end of the tunnel. Honestly, that little bit of hope is what keeps me going—though I just wish it wouldn't take forever to get there. It feels like it happens so suddenly, almost overnight. One evening, you have your sweet little angel tucked into bed, and by the next morning, you're dealing with a tiny, grumpy monster. Then come the lies. Just yesterday, they were the most honest kid in the world; now, you can't even trust your own ears when they look you in the eye. Before you even know what hit you, your house feels like a madhouse (especially if you're raising a daughter). Boys tend to burn off that frantic energy through sports, but girls? Their moods shift every three seconds from pure euphoria to total despair. One moment they're laughing and giving you a hug, and the next, they're slamming doors and throwing hysterics like they've been struck by lightning. Suddenly, "tidiness" is a foreign concept, schoolwork feels like science fiction, and every basic responsibility is treated like a heavy burden imposed by a tyrant. And when you're a single parent like me, all that redirected tension lands squarely on your shoulders—you become the scapegoat for everything. It’s terrifying; I am genuinely dreading the teenage years!
Unfortunately, everyone seems to focus on one thing: how hard it is for the kids during puberty. Does anyone ever stop to ask the parents how *they* are doing, or how they're managing all this chaos? No one prepares you for the reality of what to expect, and nobody gives you a manual on how to handle it. All you can do is pray to Quincy that your child doesn't turn out like mine—or worse, veers toward something dark like self-harm.

I am 100% with you on this. Sorry I didn't jump in sooner, I just got home from the hospital. Seriously, nobody asks how the parents are holding up. Everyone is so busy saying, "Oh, poor kids going through puberty," but where are we in all this?
rapidmaker10 rapidmaker10 Member
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joined Oct 2008
#22 ·
I feel compelled to jump in here even though my kids haven't hit puberty yet—my boy is 11 and my girl is 8.5—but honestly, I’m already at my wit's end...

They perform fine at school, at least academically, but at home 👎 it’s an absolute disaster. It’s just the basics, really: they walk through the door, rip off their backpacks and clothes, and literally toss everything into a crumpled heap in the hallway. They are constantly bickering or wrestling, and if they aren't doing that, they're playing in these chaotic ways, screaming and jumping all over the house, or just tackling each other on the couch or floor while yelling... they simply won't listen to a word. My son is quiet when he's alone, but instead of studying, he just glues himself to his PC or the TV; he won't touch any sports, he just eats and gains weight. My daughter is slightly better in that regard since she actually enjoys her extracurricular activities, but neither of them listens to anything... not nicely, not harshly. We've tried it all—rewards, punishments, you name it—nothing sticks. When you force them to clean up after school, they do the bare minimum just to get you off their backs, and by tomorrow, it's the exact same mess again...
On top of that, their room looks like a pigsty. They leave toys scattered everywhere they play, they're constantly raiding the fridge, eating or drinking whatever they find—I can't even keep a snack stash for myself... it goes on and on...

If this is how it is now, what on earth is puberty going to be like? I'd love to hear from other parents dealing with this age group...
Scott Howard74 Scott Howard74 Active Member
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joined Sep 2008
#23 ·
Look, everything I just listed? It’s all the same deal. We're talking kids—a 12-year-old girl and a 17-year-old guy. But if you actually ask them for help, it’s always the same old song and dance. They'll grumble through it, sure, but it’s constant whining: "Can't I do it tomorrow?" or "Why does it have to be me right now?" If you send them down to the corner store for something, they'll give you that attitude like it's some huge injustice, or they'll just sulk. I try to let them do their own thing up to a point, but when I genuinely need a hand, yeah, there might be a little yelling involved before they actually step up. I get it, we're all stressed out and dealing with our own crap, but honestly, we've gotta find some middle ground somewhere.😉
wiredcanyon25 wiredcanyon25 Member
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joined Oct 2008
#24 ·
rapidmaker10 said:I feel compelled to jump in here even though my kids haven't hit puberty yet—my boy is 11 and my girl is 8.5—but honestly, I’m already at my wit's end...

They perform fine at school, at least academically, but at home 👎 it’s an absolute disaster. It’s just the basics, really: they walk through the door, rip off their backpacks and clothes, and literally toss everything into a crumpled heap in the hallway. They are constantly bickering or wrestling, and if they aren't doing that, they're playing in these chaotic ways, screaming and jumping all over the house, or just tackling each other on the couch or floor while yelling... they simply won't listen to a word. My son is quiet when he's alone, but instead of studying, he just glues himself to his PC or the TV; he won't touch any sports, he just eats and gains weight. My daughter is slightly better in that regard since she actually enjoys her extracurricular activities, but neither of them listens to anything... not nicely, not harshly. We've tried it all—rewards, punishments, you name it—nothing sticks. When you force them to clean up after school, they do the bare minimum just to get you off their backs, and by tomorrow, it's the exact same mess again...
On top of that, their room looks like a pigsty. They leave toys scattered everywhere they play, they're constantly raiding the fridge, eating or drinking whatever they find—I can't even keep a snack stash for myself... it goes on and on...

If this is how it is now, what on earth is puberty going to be like? I'd love to hear from other parents dealing with this age group...

Reading this nightmare makes me wonder if I was the one who wrote it...
It feels like my own story, just with one difference—I have an 11-year-old boy...
He's basically in a constant state of mood swings and chaos...
Puberty has already started hitting him, and his attitude... which was always a bit much... has gone through the roof...
One minute there's warmth and conversation, and the next, everything falls apart if things don't go his way. He'll sulk, pout, and complain even more than when he was a baby...
And he was such a sweet, smiling little thing back then. I find myself wondering where this grumpy kid came from...
I read a ton of books, and even with a background in education, nothing seems to work—not being gentle and not being strict either...

It makes me feel a little less alone. I'll probably be back here to vent again soon...
Scott Howard74 Scott Howard74 Active Member
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#25 ·
wiredcanyon25 said:Reading this nightmare makes me wonder if I was the one who wrote it...
It feels like my own story, just with one difference—I have an 11-year-old boy...
He's basically in a constant state of mood swings and chaos...
Puberty has already started hitting him, and his attitude... which was always a bit much... has gone through the roof...
One minute there's warmth and conversation, and the next, everything falls apart if things don't go his way. He'll sulk, pout, and complain even more than when he was a baby...
And he was such a sweet, smiling little thing back then. I find myself wondering where this grumpy kid came from...
I read a ton of books, and even with a background in education, nothing seems to work—not being gentle and not being strict either...

It makes me feel a little less alone. I'll probably be back here to vent again soon...

Look, if it helps you feel better, he'll probably stay like this until he's 15, then he'll chill out. That's how it went for everyone we know in the States🤷
Michael Parker15 Michael Parker15 Member
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joined Oct 2008
#26 ·
My daughter is eleven now, and I’m starting to notice these unmistakable shifts in her personality. Academically, she’s absolutely crushing it—she’s actually two grades ahead of her peers, so I can't say I have any concerns regarding her schoolwork, at least for the moment!
But honestly, things at home are becoming quite a struggle every single day. She gets back from school around 4:00 PM, and by 4:03 PM, her friends are already blowing up her phone. It’s always about homework, after-school activities, or some other social drama, and she becomes so absorbed in that screen that she completely tunes us out. If I try to set a boundary or take the phone away, the tantrums start—usually over chores or something trivial. She’s becoming incredibly lazy, too; she won't lift a finger, and her room is a disaster zone. I swear, her bedroom was more organized when she was five than it is right now! Plus, she’s spending an eternity in the bathroom, showering twice a day and practically living in there.😠 She also has a five-year-old sister who is constantly pestering her, which leads to a lot of screaming and zero patience between them, even though my eldest hasn't even hit full puberty yet.🙂 I find myself wondering what exactly is happening during this developmental stage and what kind of roller coaster we have to look forward to.🤷
She still listens to me eventually, and she’s generally polite, but I can feel the tension escalating daily.😕My husband and I spend so much time trying to talk things through with her, and while she does listen, it feels like twenty minutes later, it's as if we never even spoke. I would love to hear from other moms about how you handled this—what were your strategies? Should I be using discipline or punishments? And when she starts yelling, is it a mistake to yell right back at her?🤷
rapidmaker10 rapidmaker10 Member
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#27 ·
So, I'm clearly not the only one... I wouldn't say I'm happy about it, but at least there's some small comfort in knowing...

wiredcanyon25 said:Reading this nightmare makes me wonder if I was the one who wrote it...
It feels like my own story, just with one difference—I have an 11-year-old boy...
He's basically in a constant state of mood swings and chaos...
Puberty has already started hitting him, and his attitude... which was always a bit much... has gone through the roof...
One minute there's warmth and conversation, and the next, everything falls apart if things don't go his way. He'll sulk, pout, and complain even more than when he was a baby...
And he was such a sweet, smiling little thing back then. I find myself wondering where this grumpy kid came from...
I read a ton of books, and even with a background in education, nothing seems to work—not being gentle and not being strict either...

It makes me feel a little less alone. I'll probably be back here to vent again soon...

I don't really get this part. When only one of my kids is home, it’s pure bliss... total peace and quiet. But once they're together? Absolute chaos. This whole "one child vs. two" thing is a fascinating topic. Both my wife and I grew up as only children, so we have zero clue what the whole sibling dynamic is actually like. When my wife was pregnant with our second, a friend of ours—a mom with two girls close in age (about two and a half years apart)—told me point-blank: "Having two kids isn't just double the crap you deal with with one; it's a thousand times more." And she wasn't lying. Back when we only had one, it wasn't even that bad. Even if that kid was being a handful, they eventually had to sleep, or my wife could handle them alone while I relaxed. But with two? Someone is always acting up. Mom is busy with one, so you're stuck with the other. One is sleeping, the other is screaming their head off... (back when they were little, obviously). Ugh!😢
Lisa Richardson8 Lisa Richardson8 Active Member
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joined Oct 2008
#28 ·
I have a fourteen-year-old at home, and let me tell you, it is quite an experience🙂
I must concede that things have settled down somewhat lately; that relentless defiance and the "know-it-all" attitude have begun to wane, though he still seems to be operating with a massive surplus of hormones😁
However, I find myself already dreading the inevitable surge of female hormones just a few years down the road... considering he’s currently standing at about 5'5"😱
Grace Walker58 Grace Walker58 Newcomer
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#29 ·
I honestly thought we’d finally hit a plateau, you know? Like, I told myself, "Okay, we survived that one massive blowout, we're in the clear." But man, was I wrong. Now she's turning 18 and it feels like we're right back at square one, except this time it's even more intense. It’s a different kind of beast compared to my son—he's been a handful since middle school and he's starting his sophomore year of high school now, which is one thing, but I never realized just how volatile teenage girls could be during puberty. I mean, I wasn't exactly a saint growing up—I had my fair share of trouble—but I don't know what she's trying to prove. There are moments when I genuinely lose my cool and start counting down the days until she turns 18 just so I can pack her bags and send her on her way. You try everything, right? You attempt the calm conversations, the "let's understand each other" talks, the compromises, the actual consequences... but none of it sticks. It always spirals back into screaming matches, insults, or just endless sulking and tears. Then we'll have two days where things are actually fine, and then suddenly it's two weeks of absolute hell. I'll spend half my paycheck covering her phone bill, then I'll get fed up and cut her off entirely, only to find money missing from my wallet later. She'll skip school, and I'm stuck driving her there every single morning just to make sure she actually shows up. It just drains the life out of you, especially because every time I think I've finally anticipated her next move, she comes up with something even more unpredictable.

Still, I try to keep my head up by remembering that most of this chaos eventually settles down into something good.
Scott Howard74 Scott Howard74 Active Member
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joined Sep 2008
#30 ·
Just take comfort in knowing we were once just as bad
Michael Parker15 Michael Parker15 Member
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#31 ·
Scott Howard74 said:Just take comfort in knowing we were once just as bad

That’s absolutely true, though I often find myself reminiscing about how much simpler life felt back when we didn't have the internet or all the chaos that comes along with it! While trouble certainly existed in my hometown growing up, we just weren't dealing with this level of crime, nor were we seeing fifteen-year-olds walking around with weapons or drugs in their hands quite like you see in the news today.😲
Scott Howard74 Scott Howard74 Active Member
150 messages
joined Sep 2008
#32 ·
Look, we’ve seen stuff like this before, but never on this kind of scale. Back in the day, things weren't constantly blowing up in everyone's faces like they are now. It's just the way life moves in America these days—we're barely even home to see our own kids, and when we actually *are* there, we spend the whole damn time just trying to figure out how to talk to them without an argument breaking out. Thank God I'm not dealing with the heavy stuff yet, but man, it drives me insane seeing the bedroom looking like a freaking bomb went off. Half the clothes are scattered across the floor, the rest is shoved into some corner... it's a disaster. They aren't going out much yet, and honestly, I'm not even gonna waste my energy trying to track their every move or guessing when they might actually decide to show up again. My daughter has a curfew of 9 PM—maybe later in the summer—and luckily she’s mostly just hanging at the park with her friends. Then there's the 17-year-old, still glued to his chair, living his entire life through a gaming headset.
slydrifter8 slydrifter8 Newcomer
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#33 ·
Michael Parker15 said:My daughter is eleven now, and I’m starting to notice these unmistakable shifts in her personality. Academically, she’s absolutely crushing it—she’s actually two grades ahead of her peers, so I can't say I have any concerns regarding her schoolwork, at least for the moment!
But honestly, things at home are becoming quite a struggle every single day. She gets back from school around 4:00 PM, and by 4:03 PM, her friends are already blowing up her phone. It’s always about homework, after-school activities, or some other social drama, and she becomes so absorbed in that screen that she completely tunes us out. If I try to set a boundary or take the phone away, the tantrums start—usually over chores or something trivial. She’s becoming incredibly lazy, too; she won't lift a finger, and her room is a disaster zone. I swear, her bedroom was more organized when she was five than it is right now! Plus, she’s spending an eternity in the bathroom, showering twice a day and practically living in there.😠 She also has a five-year-old sister who is constantly pestering her, which leads to a lot of screaming and zero patience between them, even though my eldest hasn't even hit full puberty yet.🙂 I find myself wondering what exactly is happening during this developmental stage and what kind of roller coaster we have to look forward to.🤷
She still listens to me eventually, and she’s generally polite, but I can feel the tension escalating daily.😕My husband and I spend so much time trying to talk things through with her, and while she does listen, it feels like twenty minutes later, it's as if we never even spoke. I would love to hear from other moms about how you handled this—what were your strategies? Should I be using discipline or punishments? And when she starts yelling, is it a mistake to yell right back at her?🤷

We have two teenagers in high school and a younger kid who mimics everything they do. It is absolute madness! At school, they are still decent, relatively polite kids, but once they step through the front door, I become their personal punching bag. All their frustrations get dumped on me. To be honest, I still can't tell if this phase is harder than when they were toddlers and I couldn't even use the restroom without them following me everywhere.
People say that having one child is a challenge, but having two is just double the chaos. Imagine if you have three or more. If I make it to their 20th birthdays, I’m going on a trip around the world, because at that point, nothing in life could possibly surprise me anymore.
I am still grateful that they aren't getting into serious trouble with the law, but the endless daily bickering is exhausting.
One day, one of them came home and mentioned he got a 5 on a test and was thrilled. He was supposed to explain why he was so happy, and he simply said it was because of his family.😕😂 He finds so much comfort in his family 🙂, while I am left feeling frustrated and often overwhelmed to the point of tears.🤷
Gregory Wells6 Gregory Wells6 Member
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joined Sep 2008
#34 ·
I feel like I’ve been navigating the teenage years through various stages of chaos with almost everyone in my orbit. First, there was my former brother-in-law—back when I married my brother, he was just ten and we all lived under one roof. Then came the divorce, followed by my marriage to a truly wonderful, patient man who has three sons from a previous marriage. So, here I am dealing with his three boys hitting their stride—he’s the one doing all the heavy lifting with them since their mom checked out—and my own daughter, who is right around the same age as his youngest. Even our friends' kids are in that same rough patch—mostly boys, too. But this whirlwind my daughter is currently putting us through? I have never seen anything quite like it. When you multiply all those variables together... well, it's overwhelming. I’ve stopped sweating the messy rooms, but the sheer defiance? That nearly knocked me off my feet. People actually ask me, "How can you let her talk to you like that?" and honestly, I’m trying my best to stand my ground, but I am reaching my breaking point. Her stubbornness, the mood swings, the outbursts, and that sudden surge of resentment... it's exhausting. It makes me wonder—are some people just born with a streak of malice? People love to say that children are simply reflections of their parents, but I can't bring myself to agree with that. This behavior she's displaying? She certainly didn't pick it up from us. There hasn't been a hint of drugs, smoking, drinking, or any kind of reckless behavior in our house—not even laziness or a lack of hygiene, despite how much of a mess she lives in.
The part that truly drives me up the wall is how endless this feels! It’s like a marathon with no finish line. You find yourself hoping that tomorrow might bring a little peace, only to find that every day is actually getting harder. It’s enough to make anyone lose their mind!
Scott Howard74 Scott Howard74 Active Member
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#35 ·
Gregory Wells6 said:I feel like I’ve been navigating the teenage years through various stages of chaos with almost everyone in my orbit. First, there was my former brother-in-law—back when I married my brother, he was just ten and we all lived under one roof. Then came the divorce, followed by my marriage to a truly wonderful, patient man who has three sons from a previous marriage. So, here I am dealing with his three boys hitting their stride—he’s the one doing all the heavy lifting with them since their mom checked out—and my own daughter, who is right around the same age as his youngest. Even our friends' kids are in that same rough patch—mostly boys, too. But this whirlwind my daughter is currently putting us through? I have never seen anything quite like it. When you multiply all those variables together... well, it's overwhelming. I’ve stopped sweating the messy rooms, but the sheer defiance? That nearly knocked me off my feet. People actually ask me, "How can you let her talk to you like that?" and honestly, I’m trying my best to stand my ground, but I am reaching my breaking point. Her stubbornness, the mood swings, the outbursts, and that sudden surge of resentment... it's exhausting. It makes me wonder—are some people just born with a streak of malice? People love to say that children are simply reflections of their parents, but I can't bring myself to agree with that. This behavior she's displaying? She certainly didn't pick it up from us. There hasn't been a hint of drugs, smoking, drinking, or any kind of reckless behavior in our house—not even laziness or a lack of hygiene, despite how much of a mess she lives in.
The part that truly drives me up the wall is how endless this feels! It’s like a marathon with no finish line. You find yourself hoping that tomorrow might bring a little peace, only to find that every day is actually getting harder. It’s enough to make anyone lose their mind!

Maybe try cutting her loose from whatever crowd she’s hanging out with🤷. Our buddies went through the exact same thing with their daughter at that age—bad crowd, drugs, staying out until sunrise. They had to go hard on her to fix it. She stayed home for three months straight, then transferred to a new school, got a job, worked five days a week, and now she’s married and doing great. Like, it’s a totally different person.🤷
Grace Walker58 Grace Walker58 Newcomer
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#36 ·
Gregory Wells6 said:I feel like I’ve been navigating the teenage years through various stages of chaos with almost everyone in my orbit. First, there was my former brother-in-law—back when I married my brother, he was just ten and we all lived under one roof. Then came the divorce, followed by my marriage to a truly wonderful, patient man who has three sons from a previous marriage. So, here I am dealing with his three boys hitting their stride—he’s the one doing all the heavy lifting with them since their mom checked out—and my own daughter, who is right around the same age as his youngest. Even our friends' kids are in that same rough patch—mostly boys, too. But this whirlwind my daughter is currently putting us through? I have never seen anything quite like it. When you multiply all those variables together... well, it's overwhelming. I’ve stopped sweating the messy rooms, but the sheer defiance? That nearly knocked me off my feet. People actually ask me, "How can you let her talk to you like that?" and honestly, I’m trying my best to stand my ground, but I am reaching my breaking point. Her stubbornness, the mood swings, the outbursts, and that sudden surge of resentment... it's exhausting. It makes me wonder—are some people just born with a streak of malice? People love to say that children are simply reflections of their parents, but I can't bring myself to agree with that. This behavior she's displaying? She certainly didn't pick it up from us. There hasn't been a hint of drugs, smoking, drinking, or any kind of reckless behavior in our house—not even laziness or a lack of hygiene, despite how much of a mess she lives in.
The part that truly drives me up the wall is how endless this feels! It’s like a marathon with no finish line. You find yourself hoping that tomorrow might bring a little peace, only to find that every day is actually getting harder. It’s enough to make anyone lose their mind!

Look, you haven't even seen mine yet, but hey, just hang in there—it’ll pass, we’re all growing up, right? The most important thing is that we don't let this whole mess ruin our relationship forever.
rapidmaker10 rapidmaker10 Member
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joined Oct 2008
#37 ·
Gregory Wells6 said:I feel like I’ve been navigating the teenage years through various stages of chaos with almost everyone in my orbit. First, there was my former brother-in-law—back when I married my brother, he was just ten and we all lived under one roof. Then came the divorce, followed by my marriage to a truly wonderful, patient man who has three sons from a previous marriage. So, here I am dealing with his three boys hitting their stride—he’s the one doing all the heavy lifting with them since their mom checked out—and my own daughter, who is right around the same age as his youngest. Even our friends' kids are in that same rough patch—mostly boys, too. But this whirlwind my daughter is currently putting us through? I have never seen anything quite like it. When you multiply all those variables together... well, it's overwhelming. I’ve stopped sweating the messy rooms, but the sheer defiance? That nearly knocked me off my feet. People actually ask me, "How can you let her talk to you like that?" and honestly, I’m trying my best to stand my ground, but I am reaching my breaking point. Her stubbornness, the mood swings, the outbursts, and that sudden surge of resentment... it's exhausting. It makes me wonder—are some people just born with a streak of malice? People love to say that children are simply reflections of their parents, but I can't bring myself to agree with that. This behavior she's displaying? She certainly didn't pick it up from us. There hasn't been a hint of drugs, smoking, drinking, or any kind of reckless behavior in our house—not even laziness or a lack of hygiene, despite how much of a mess she lives in.
The part that truly drives me up the wall is how endless this feels! It’s like a marathon with no finish line. You find yourself hoping that tomorrow might bring a little peace, only to find that every day is actually getting harder. It’s enough to make anyone lose their mind!

This sounds truly horrific... absolutely terrifying...😲
Jessica Hayes82 Jessica Hayes82 Newcomer
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joined Oct 2008
#38 ·
Between a tiny baby and a 14-year-old son (aka puberty in full swing) plus a 10-year-old (aka puberty is right around the corner), my house is a whirlwind.
Dear Jesus and God... all I hear is a constant loop of "no," "gross," "ew," "boring," "I don't know," "this sucks," and "you guys are all so clueless." We even tried letting him have a puff of a cigarette once (thankfully he hated it) and a sip of beer (so far he just thinks it’s bitter and gross)... but GIRLS!!! That's the only thing that matters to him now. Nothing else stands a chance.

There you have it.🤷
Scott Howard74 Scott Howard74 Active Member
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joined Sep 2008
#39 ·
Jessica Hayes82 said:Between a tiny baby and a 14-year-old son (aka puberty in full swing) plus a 10-year-old (aka puberty is right around the corner), my house is a whirlwind.
Dear Jesus and God... all I hear is a constant loop of "no," "gross," "ew," "boring," "I don't know," "this sucks," and "you guys are all so clueless." We even tried letting him have a puff of a cigarette once (thankfully he hated it) and a sip of beer (so far he just thinks it’s bitter and gross)... but GIRLS!!! That's the only thing that matters to him now. Nothing else stands a chance.

There you have it.🤷

Mine tried smoking at 14 and thought it was revolting, but now at 16 he’s doing it regularly—not even trying to hide it anymore. He’ll grab a beer, tried some whiskey, maybe some wine🤷, but whatever he does, it always ends with the same old comment about how I'm being hysterical or dealing with PMS🤷
Harold Flores4 Harold Flores4 Member
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joined Oct 2008
#40 ·
Scott Howard74 said:Maybe try cutting her loose from whatever crowd she’s hanging out with🤷. Our buddies went through the exact same thing with their daughter at that age—bad crowd, drugs, staying out until sunrise. They had to go hard on her to fix it. She stayed home for three months straight, then transferred to a new school, got a job, worked five days a week, and now she’s married and doing great. Like, it’s a totally different person.🤷

But how? How are you supposed to actually pull someone away from a social circle that's clearly dragging them down?
My buddy is dealing with the same kind of questionable crowd, but I don't really have any major issues with him personally... he isn't drinking heavily... or doing drugs (as far as I know, anyway)... even though some of the people he hangs out with definitely are.

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