Buddhism

Anonymous · 2005-03-16T16:40:49+00:00

Does anyone here actually know anything about BUDDHISM!?

Anthony Rodriguez58 Active Member

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#41 · Mar 23, 2005

Jose Reyes said:master John Doe:
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Look, maybe you should find some actual professional help before things get too messy?
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As for a TRUE MASTER, there isn't any help left to give, Truth Seeker.😉 🙄 😎 🙂

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are
always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts."
Bertrand Russell

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#42 · Mar 23, 2005

Delta Air Lines:
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"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are
always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts."
Bertrand Russell
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Bertrand Russell _____________________ master John, here you go—I’ve added just enough spice so you might actually figure out how this particular fool and fanatic was tearing through his own "family."
Who threw whom, when, and where? You'll find out soon enough.
Once you do, maybe you'll stop bothering those "wishy-washy" MAT-PHIL-IDIOTS, Truth Seeker.😎

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#43 · Mar 23, 2005

Jade said:I can't tell you how many times I've heard the argument that there's zero value in learning from someone who isn't around anymore (and yeah, that includes figures like Jesus, Muhammad, Bud, and the rest of them)... 🤔

If we actually had more living masters available—and I’m definitely not talking about cheap knockoffs like our own master John 😁—we wouldn't need to rely on the dead. But until someone better comes along, they'll just have to do. 😛

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#44 · Mar 23, 2005

BALKANIAN PAPIG:
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... masturbating John Doe ...
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STAB NUMBER 2, Kakadu!

This is exactly how Jose Reyes master Karen Sanchez19 started back in May of last year, and bit by bit, they reached enlightenment.
Keep pushing, VARANA! 😉

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#45 · Mar 23, 2005

Blind Kakadu 😂😂

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#46 · Mar 23, 2005

Balkanijan Pig said:If we actually had more living masters—and I’m not counting cheap knockoffs like our little masturbating John Doe 😁—we wouldn't be stuck relying on the dead. Until someone better shows up, people are just going to settle for whatever they can get. 😛

No, it’s not that these masters weren't great when they were alive. It's more that they aren't useful to us anymore because they're gone. The idea is that true "knowledge" can only be transmitted by a living master. And I don't mean knowledge in terms of concepts, theories, or religious rituals... I'm not sure if that's actually true, but I've definitely come across people who believe it.

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#47 · Mar 24, 2005

Are you looking for true craftsmanship or just someone to get the job done? 🙂

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#48 · Mar 24, 2005

ENLIGHTENED MASTER said:DELTA AIRLINES:
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"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are
always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts."
Bertrand Russell
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master Ivan here—just dropping in to nudge you slightly, maybe help you figure out how this particular "fool and fanatic" just went off on their own "family."
Who threw shade at whom, when, and where? You'll find out soon enough.
Then maybe you won't spend all your time chasing after those "pseudo-intellectual" MAT-PHIL-IDIOTS, Truth Seeker.😎

Maybe you haven't noticed, but YOU are the fanatic.
Your ego is totally out of control. 😢😵 😢

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#49 · Mar 24, 2005

Natalie:
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The ego has completely spiraled out of control.
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To be more precise, the MASTER'S young neighbor is a Being who is utterly beyond restraint.
It’s because she simply lacks an ego entirely.
A Being without such restraints is nothing more than a healthy individual.
Fanatically healthy.👋

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#50 · Mar 24, 2005

Jose Reyes said:Natalie:
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The ego is totally out of control.
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To be more precise, the MASTER'S young hometown girl is a Being out of control.
There's just no EGO there.
A Being out of control is simply a healthy person.
Fanatically healthy.👋

So that's what we're calling it now?
When someone is so incredibly full of themselves—acting like they have all the answers, like they're the only enlightened master in the room, and everyone else is just beneath them?
And every single one of their posts is actually just about THEM and how great they are?
Just pretentiously and aggressively forcing their ideas on everyone else?
"Fanatically healthy"?

Sounds more like a superiority complex to me than enlightenment.
😕

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#51 · Mar 24, 2005

Ego Definition:

That bloated sense of self-importance where you honestly believe you're better than everyone else.

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#52 · Mar 24, 2005

SMANTALIA:
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When someone becomes so incredibly arrogant—convinced they hold every answer, acting as if they alone are an enlightened master while everyone else is fundamentally inferior—what are we even supposed to do with that?
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A dedicated Seeker ought to "test" such an inflated ego with the utmost rigor.
"Rigorous" enough to match the intensity with which a delusional fanatic "attacks" the Seekers themselves.

A MASTER, regardless of their claims, should be challenged through relentless questioning and persistence, not through mere assumptions or preconceived notions.
Such a "blowhard" needs to be brought down to earth by weighing their claims against the teachings of other MASTERS first and foremost; after all, isn't that how you distinguish children from adults?

Your supposedly "special" seeker's consciousness isn't strong enough to withstand even the most incompetent
TEACHER, Seeker of Truth.🙄 😎 👋

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#53 · Mar 24, 2005

Jose Reyes said:SMANTALIA:
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What's the deal when someone gets this arrogant? Acting like they have all the answers, like they're the only enlightened one, and everyone else is just beneath them?
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A dedicated Seeker should probably be giving a "puffed-up" master like that a serious
"stress test."
Maybe just as "intense" as the way an arrogant fanatic "attacks" the Seekers themselves.

A master—no matter who they claim to be—should be "beaten down" with questions and persistence, not just with assumptions and biases.
Someone acting like a total blowhard needs to be "checked" by comparing their teachings against other masters first. That's how you separate the kids from the adults, I guess.

Your specific "seeker consciousness" shouldn't struggle alone even with the worst
TEACHER, seeker of truth.🙄 😎 👋

And besides, why bother?🙂

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#54 · Mar 24, 2005

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Jose Reyes said:Balkanijan Pig:
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... masturba ivana ...
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Strike number two, Kakadu!

That’s exactly how Jose Reyes kicked things off back in May last year—taking it one tiny step at a time until he finally saw the light.
Let's go, Vegas! 😉

Look, the church actually has a point here—excessive masturbation can seriously mess with your head and drive you toward madness. 😲

And honestly, I think I’m going to hold off on walking all over those feet after all. 😁

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#55 · Mar 24, 2005

Jade said:No, it’s not that those masters weren't great while they were alive; it's more that they aren't useful to us anymore because they're gone. The idea is that true "knowledge" can only be transmitted from a living master. And I don't mean knowledge in terms of concepts, theories, or religious rituals... I don't know if that's actually true, but I've come across people who believe that.

People often say it's impossible to reach the finish line without a master or guru, and there's truth to that. For instance, in the lives of many yogis—whose goal is reaching nirvakalpa samadhi through practice—it's often said their teacher "gifted" it to them. Basically, they might be able to reach savikalpa on their own (though they still need help), but some believe nirvakalpa is almost always something handed down by a master... but hey, what do I know? We're talking about things like savikalpa and nirvikalpa as if we actually understand them, when really, I haven't a clue. 😬

It's true that someone like Raman achieved everything without a guru, yet he insisted it was impossible to hit the mark without one (he basically argued that just because he didn't have a physical guru doesn't mean he didn't have one in spirit).

But 😕

do you honestly think these kinds of people just pop up out of nowhere and happen to stumble upon us just to pull us out of our mental messes?

It's not for nothing they say a guru appears only when the student is ready.

Just the other day, I read this about the student of Tat Wale baba, a famous yogi from last century who still looks after his ashram/cave today:

I was seven years old when I left home in search of Shiva. I wandered all over America and finally, a yogi told me to go perform tapas (asceticism, penance, spiritual work) in the Himalayas, where I might find God. So, in 1965, I headed to Rishikesh and stayed at Swargashram. While there, I read in a book that it is impossible to achieve moksha (liberation) or realize Brahman without a guru. My search for a guru became an obsession. I went to Manikut Mountain to dedicate myself to Tapas, still hoping I would encounter Lord Shiva. As I climbed the mountain, I came across Tat Wale baba sitting on a rock in front of his cave. He looked just like Mr. Shiva to me. When I saw him, my heart and body started shaking so much that I ran into the woods in fear, hiding under a tree until evening before returning to Swargashram. For the next three days, I sat by the Ganges, played the guitar, fasted, drank only water from the Ganges, and prayed to God for guidance. Finally, I returned to Tat Wale baba's cave. This time, I wasn't afraid. We locked eyes at the same moment. He smiled at me, and I immediately felt a profound connection. That's how I ended up staying with him.

Someone who left home at seven years old to hunt for a guru and spent all those years in intense spiritual practice clearly didn't just stumble into this by accident; opportunities like that don't just fall into your lap.

So, how do you become ready, and how do you even recognize a true master? Honestly, we should follow the teachings and spiritual discipline of the "departed" masters and try to make the absolute most of our own lives and spirits. What more could a guru possibly want from us?
IMHO

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#56 · Mar 24, 2005

Balkanijan Pig said:But do you really think people like that just happen to be hanging out on the outskirts, waiting to swoop in and pull us out of our own mental messes?

There’s a reason people say a guru only shows up once the student is actually ready.

Exactly. 🙂 We just interpret it differently. You seem to think you have to actively grind and change yourself to attract a teacher, whereas I believe everything unfolds naturally—once that internal shift happens, the right mentor simply appears. 🙂 (I can already see your next reply calling me out for finding an excuse to stay lazy. 🤣 😁 )

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#57 · Mar 24, 2005

Balkanijan Pig said:Someone who left home at seven years old just to hunt down a guru and spent their entire life dedicated to spiritual practice has gone through some serious struggles. Opportunities like that don't just fall out of the sky.

But what if that actually clashes with your own personal journey? What if you're essentially fighting against your own true nature? Maybe that path works for them, but there's no guarantee it's a universal truth. I don't think a Being designed this world so that we'd all turn into robots, living, thinking, and feeling exactly the same way. 😉

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#58 · Mar 24, 2005

Jade said:But what if that goes against your personal journey? What if you're actually acting against your own true nature? It might be the right path for someone else, but there’s no guarantee it’s universal. I don't believe a Being designed this world just so we could all turn into robots, living, thinking, and feeling exactly the same way. 😉

I'm not saying you have to drop everything at age seven to hunt down a guru; I'm saying that intense drive and actual work are what matter.

Think about it this way: If you were an elite coach, you'd be just as thrilled to work with a guy who's training day and night to become a world champion as he would be to help them win. But if some lazy guy rolls up to you—someone who spends his time drinking beer in front of the TV, talking big about the sport while growing a beer belly—why would you even waste your breath on him?

If we actually gave a damn about reaching Moksha, finding God, or uncovering the Truth, we’d move heaven and earth to get there instead of just whining on internet forums. Why should a Master bother with people like that? Why hand over the most precious thing a human Being can possess on a silver platter to people who aren't even willing to try?

If you aren't truly committed, then stop complaining about gurus or living Masters when you haven't even put in the effort to take things seriously.

We’d honestly be better off spending fifteen minutes meditating in the morning and evening, plus doing a little daily reading of scriptures, holy writings, or biographies of saints, rather than wasting our lives on this mindless keyboard warfare. 😁

You seem to think the departed Masters don't want to help, yet you're perfectly fine asking questions and seeking opinions from a bunch of forum trolls—and my fear is that you're actually taking their input seriously. 😁

If there are no living teachers available, then the departed Masters are our best bet. Read extensively, get a clear vision of what we want and can achieve, and above all else, do the work.

Harvest season is coming, the field hasn't even been tilled, and here we are arguing about the best type of hoe and whether digging is even worth it. 😂
We could have tilled the whole plot with a tiny teaspoon if we had spent our time on the field instead of idling on this forum.

Time is ticking, life is short, forget the chatter—grab your shovel and get to work.👍

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#59 · Mar 24, 2005

Balkanijan Pig said:Planting season is right around the corner, the fields aren't even tilled yet, and here we are debating the perfect hoe length and whether digging is even worth it.😂
Honestly, if we had spent our time on this forum actually working instead of chatting, we could have finished everything with a simple hand trowel by now.

Man, you've got a point, but you're forgetting about those of us into organic farming who don't rely on hoes or heavy digging at all.😉

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#60 · Mar 24, 2005

Jack said:Exactly. 🙂 We just see it from different angles. You think you have to actively go out and change things to attract a mentor, whereas I believe everything happens organically—once we undergo an internal shift, the right teacher simply appears in our lives. 🙂 (I can already see your next reply calling me lazy or claiming I’ve just found an excuse to sit on my hands. 🤣 😁 )

Well, you certainly *can* wait. You could spend thousands of lifetimes letting "experience" slowly chip away at you, if you have that kind of patience. But if you’re actually thirsty, you aren't going to sit around daydreaming about someone showing up to buy you a drink; you’re going to scramble to find water. If you aren't truly thirsty, you won't care. And if you aren't thirsty, why would anyone bother giving you water? 😁

Practicing discipline, detachment, and a few other core principles are considered prerequisites for true liberation—they're what get you started on the path in the first place. If we don't actually care about being free or letting go of our attachments, what's even the point of seeking liberation?

p.s. Try to name a single enlightened soul who reached the finish line without putting in any work. The only one I know who was completely spontaneous about it was Ray, and even he preached the importance of spiritual practice to his students. If it were all meant to happen spontaneously, it would have happened by now. Interest is one thing, but realization is another. Are you really going to wait around like a beggar hoping someone takes pity on you (which probably won't happen) or decides to step in?