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Anyone following the hostage situation in Russia?

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Participants briskhound33stormylynx14Ashley Rogers4Jason Wells4Joshua Foster5Michael Barnes2Tyler Lopez14Dana Miller6Nicole Morales3Jamie Clark74swiftmarlin92Drew Sullivan79Steven RuizJamie Anderson82frozenbison42Sam Lopez
briskhound33 briskhound33 MemberOP
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#1 ·
Whatever happens next, I’m just praying everything works out okay and that those kids stay safe, because honestly, my heart just breaks thinking about them. These absolute animals calling themselves terrorists—or whatever you want to call them—have managed to stir up a massive storm, way bigger than anything they probably anticipated.

They’ve basically handed the Russian government a free pass to just roll right over Chechnya with a bulldozer if they feel like it.
And don't even get me started on how the rest of the world's self-proclaimed "terrorist hunters" are going to react to this mess.
stormylynx14 stormylynx14 Active Member
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#2 ·
I’m calling it now: we'll see a "staged scenario" in Moscow soon enough. A raid on a school, a pile of bodies, and all the terrorists neutralized. That’s how the Russians play the game; they can't afford to show any weakness toward the Chechens.
Ashley Rogers4 Ashley Rogers4 Member
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#3 ·
Putin is going to build a dictatorship, no matter what it takes. To him, Chechnya is just his own private war.
Jason Wells4 Jason Wells4 Member
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#4 ·
I'm rooting for the Russians.
Joshua Foster5 Joshua Foster5 Member
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#5 ·
Based on the chaotic news reports, it looks like the hostages tried to make a break for it, the kidnappers opened fire, and then the soldiers surged in, triggering a total free-for-all. There will likely be many more dead hostages. Officially, 200 children have been hospitalized, while the kidnappers somehow managed to slip away and scatter throughout the city, sparking a full-blown manhunt. Total chaos. Exactly what you'd expect. Since the death toll might actually exceed those in the theater, I suspect the real truth will start leaking out soon, mostly because it’s too damaging for the Russians to suppress.
Now I'm just waiting for my turn in Chechnya...
Michael Barnes2 Michael Barnes2 Newcomer
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#6 ·
hobbit said:[url]
Giving the Russians the right to flatten Chechnya with bulldozers—well, fine.
But what about all those other hunters of terrorists? Not even going to mention them.

It seems to you, I see, that it’s still somehow wrong for the free world to take a stand against terrorism, no matter where in the world it's coming from.🙄[/url][/B]
Tyler Lopez14 Tyler Lopez14 Newcomer
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#7 ·
stormylynx14, unfortunately, you were right.
Dana Miller6 Dana Miller6 Newcomer
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#8 ·
The Russian "brothers" have turned on one another right here on home soil! The final tally is in: we're looking at "only" about 200 dead...
Nicole Morales3 Nicole Morales3 Member
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#9 ·
So many dead kids. It's just sickening. I honestly can't wrap my head around how anyone could kill a child for any reason or ideology. Just look at those photos—the sheer horror and terror in the eyes of those little ones is haunting. What kind of world are we living in?
Ashley Rogers4 Ashley Rogers4 Member
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#10 ·
Putin and his little inner circle actually managed to kill 200 of "their own" kids this time around. Over the last decade, they've slaughtered 42,000 Chechen children! Not a single independent journalist could speak up without the news being buried under more coverage of this Russian adventure. The hostages even mentioned that the "terrorists" were speaking technical Russian and that there were 15 of them.

And the Russians claim they "killed" 27!

So, on average, everyone got killed twice!

What a lazy Russian bunch of crooks.
Jamie Clark74 Jamie Clark74 Regular
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#11 ·
Vicious terrorists—let’s just go ahead and help them out, shall we? From the IRA...
to the latest ones. It's funny how quickly everyone forgets what they actually take.

Take the Bali bombings where 200 people died, as an example for the world... one guy was sentenced to life, yet just yesterday he was caught on camera chilling at a cafe outside prison, sipping coffee.

Justice? Not when it comes to Russia being the victim. Let's just lie about it then. What about those two planes just a week ago?

Terrorist acts always claim innocent lives—people who have absolutely nothing to do with, or against, these "terrorists."

Everyone sees things through their own lens, right up until it hits them personally and they change their tune. I was actually in Bali when it happened.
For me, enough is enough. They are called TERRORISTS for a reason, regardless of what they claim to be fighting for.

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briskhound33 briskhound33 MemberOP
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#12 ·
Absolute garbage.

The idiots who came up with this whole scheme involving the school really screwed over Muslims everywhere.

You just don't go after kids. Period.

Now they'll probably try to clean up the mess in Chechnya, or maybe they'll just pull a move like how Stalin handled the Chechnya situation.
briskhound33 briskhound33 MemberOP
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#13 ·
Ashley Rogers4 said:Putin and his little inner circle actually managed to kill off 200 of "their own" kids this time around. And get this—over the last decade, they've wiped out 42,000 Chechen children! Not a single independent journalist could even open their mouth to talk about it without the news cycle being completely hijacked by this whole Russian adventure. Some of the hostages even mentioned that the "terrorists" were speaking perfect, technical Russian, and there were about 15 of them.

But then the Russians claim they "killed" 27!

Which means, if you do the math, every single person was basically killed twice!

LAZY RUSSIAN TRASH.

It’s funny how it’s totally fine to talk like this when it comes to the Russians, but the second someone says something similar about Americans, suddenly everyone’s like, "Oh, we just need to crush them all," smh.
swiftmarlin92 swiftmarlin92 Newcomer
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#14 ·
I was just watching the BBC, and honestly, it’s heartbreaking. The current numbers are sitting at 250 dead and over 700 injured... and I suspect the death toll is going to climb even higher over the next few days. I mean, the official reports are probably already different, but it feels like they're just feeding the public information bit by bit—slowly increasing the count with every update just to avoid causing too much of a massive shock to everyone. Apparently, some terrorists managed to escape, so now they've locked down the entire city and the state borders... They're showing these images of wounded and dead children and civilians. It's just... awful.
briskhound33 briskhound33 MemberOP
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#15 ·
Apparently, some of the hostages tried to make a break for it, and then everything just went completely sideways.

It’s honestly just pure misery and chaos. I mean, what was the end goal for those terrorists? Like, did they seriously think the Russian military would just pack up and leave Chechnya just because they managed to seize one single school?
Drew Sullivan79 Drew Sullivan79 Newcomer
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#16 ·
It’s sickening. Anyone who lays a finger on kids doesn't deserve to draw breath.

Once again, it looks like the Russians completely botched the hostage rescue. I was just watching Euronews, and even they're blaming the authorities for how sloppy this was—which is a tragedy because innocent kids paid the price for it.
swiftmarlin92 swiftmarlin92 Newcomer
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#17 ·
hobbit said:Apparently, some hostages tried to make a break for it, and then everything just went completely sideways.

What an absolute nightmare. I mean, what was the goal here? Did the terrorists actually think the Russian military would just pack up and leave Chechnya just because they seized one school? I doubt it.


There were reports of explosions coming from inside the school—maybe the terrorists lost their cool—which apparently gave special forces the green light to move in. Honestly, though, it feels like that might have just been a convenient excuse to start the operation. They probably knew there were going to be massive casualties and didn't want to admit they couldn't handle the intervention any other way, so they just forced their way in... anyway, it looked pretty half-baked. Between this school mess, the two planes being shot down, the bombs near the subway and shopping malls, and that incident at the zoo, the Russians have basically shown that terrorism is a huge Achilles' heel for them and their anti-terror organization is pretty much a joke.
And as far as the terrorists are concerned, they got exactly what they wanted: they turned the whole world's attention toward Chechnya, and now plenty of people in Russia are starting to think maybe letting the Chechens go is the better option, if only to stop the bloodshed...
Jamie Clark74 Jamie Clark74 Regular
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#18 ·
Siege Prompts Self-Criticism

Maggie Michael

Associated Press

CAIRO, Egypt — A prominent Arab writer and television executive wrote this Saturday that the painful, humiliating truth is that Muslims worldwide are the main perpetrators of terrorism. This comes as Middle East media outlets and officials expressed sheer horror regarding the bloody rebel siege of a Russian school.

After the hostage crisis wrapped up, there was some surprisingly blunt self-reflection going on. People were warning that these kinds of attacks actually do more to wreck the reputation of Islam than any of its enemies ever could. Arab leaders and Muslim clerics condemned the seizure of the school as completely unjustifiable and shared their sympathy for those affected.

Russian commandos stormed the school Friday in Beslan, Russia; it had been taken over by rebels demanding independence for Chechnya. Russian officials said Saturday that the death toll was at least 250, with twice as many wounded. Many of the casualties were children.

Footage of terrified young survivors being carried away from the site played on loop across Arab TV stations. On Saturday, pictures of dead and wounded children dominated the front pages of Arab newspapers.

"Holy warriors" from the Middle East have provided support to fellow Muslims fighting in Chechnya for quite some time, and Russian officials noted that nine or ten Arabs were among the militants killed.

"Our terrorist sons are the inevitable result of our own corrupt culture," wrote Abdulrahman al-Rashed, the general manager of Al-Arabiya television, in his daily column for the pan-Arab Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper. He published it under the headline, "The Painful Truth: All the world's terrorists are Muslims!"


Al-Rashed provided a rundown of recent strikes carried out by Islamic extremist groups across Russia, Iraq, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, and Yemen. A significant number of these attacks are fueled by the ideology of Osama bin Laden, the Saudi-born leader of the al-Qaida terror network.

"Most perpetrators of suicide operations in buses, schools, and residential buildings around the world for the last decade have been Muslims," he noted. He argued that the community won't be able to fix its reputation unless there's an honest admission of these "scandalous facts," instead of just relying on endless condemnations or excuses.

"It’s a picture that feels both humiliating and incredibly painful for everyone involved," al-Rashed wrote.

People who write for Islamic websites notorious for extremist views didn't exactly agree on how to feel about the hostage crisis. Some went as far as to praise the separatists. On the other hand, others suggested we ought to hold off on blaming Arabs for the whole drama until the militants are actually identified.

Ahmed Bahgat, an Egyptian Islamist, wrote in his column for Egypt's top pro-government newspaper, Al-Ahram, that the hostage-takers in Russia and Iraq are actually doing nothing but harming Islam.

"If all the enemies of Islam actually teamed up to go after it... they still wouldn't have done as much damage to its reputation as the sons of Islam themselves. Honestly, between the sheer stupidity, the massive miscalculations, and just totally failing to grasp how the modern world works, they've done more harm than any outside force ever could," Bahgat wrote.

The horrifying images of the dead and wounded Russian students showed Muslims as monsters.


An editorial in the Saudi-based, English-language Arab News suggested that Putin’s refusal to back down was driven by a need to protect his "tough-man" reputation. However, the piece also noted that by choosing such horrific targets, the Chechens essentially ensured there would be no sympathy when the hammer finally dropped. They hit rock bottom when they started using toddlers as pawns in their negotiations.

On Friday, heads of state from Egypt, Lebanon, and Kuwait reached out to offer their sympathies to officials in Russia and to the families devastated by the hostage crisis. A well-known Muslim cleric also spoke out, condemning the entire situation.

"What did those kids do to deserve this? Why should they pay the price for your fight with the government?" That’s how Egypt's leading Muslim cleric, Grand Sheik Mohammed Sayed Tantawi, put it during a Friday sermon in Banha, just about 30 miles north of Cairo.

"You're just using Islam as a smokescreen, and it’s a dishonest one. The people behind these kidnappings are nothing more than criminals, not Muslims," stated Tantawi, the head of Al-Azhar University—the ultimate authority in the Sunni Islamic world—according to a report by Egypt's Middle East News agency.

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Steven Ruiz Steven Ruiz Active Member
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Ashley Rogers4 said:Putin and his inner circle actually managed to kill off 200 of "their own" kids this time around, and they've wiped out 42,000 Chechen children over the last decade! Not a single independent journalist could even get a word in without the news being swallowed up by this whole Russian adventure... The hostages even mentioned that these "terrorists" were speaking perfect, technical Russian, and there were about 15 of them.

But the Russians claim they "killed" 27!

So, on average, it's like everyone was killed twice!

What a total lie from the Russian mob...

Oh, come on now.
Honestly, I find this whole argument a bit distasteful...
You're really mixing up cause and effect here.
How exactly on earth did the Russians manage to kill 200 children???
(By the way, the BBC is reporting the number is actually over 322 now)...
And of course the Chechens would be speaking Russian, since anyone who has ever been part of the Russian Federation speaks it... from Estonia and Latvia all the way down to Chechnya and Georgia...
Steven Ruiz Steven Ruiz Active Member
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#20 ·
Just a quick thought here for anyone looking to point fingers at the Russians...
This whole thing wasn't some planned operation; they were actually right in the middle of negotiations when it went down.
The situation boiled over because the terrorists set off bombs just as negotiators were carrying out the bodies they had already agreed to release, and in the chaos, the kids and other hostages tried to make a run for it, which led the terrorists to start shooting, and naturally, the Russian forces responded. I honestly think any other country would have reacted the exact same way...
Besides, how much longer could those children have held out without food or water? I even saw one boy on TV mention they were forced to drink their own urine because they were just so desperately thirsty...
To be completely honest, it really turns my stomach to see people blaming the Russians for such a massive loss of life.
It’s a simple case of cause and effect, people, let's get real!!! 🙄
If you’ve ever lived through actual terror, you know there is absolutely no excuse for acting out violently against children.
I totally get that the Chechens feel oppressed or that basic human rights are being violated over there, etc., etc... but if you're that angry, go express your bitterness in the Russian parliament instead of in a school full of kids.
Disgusting!
Seriously, I just don't have any patience for terrorism of any kind. For me, there’s just no comparison between legitimate armed struggle and suddenly blowing up a bus, a subway, a plane, or a school.
It's just pathetic and cowardly...
Think about it, back when we were dealing with pressure from Mexicans, we didn't march into Mexico to blow up their schools and buses, did we?
Terrorism only serves to breed more hatred, and this won't achieve anything for the Chechens—absolutely nothing at all...

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