Eric Adams - Mayor of New York City, Part 4

hollowmason64 said:Man, that is just a total disaster. How does that even happen?
That’s just inhuman. Working two months straight without taking a single day of vacation is wild—at any job I've had, if they tried to make me work two months without a break, I'd be handing in my resignation on the spot. Seriously, nobody should have to deal with that. ☕

I guess when you only have a high school diploma and your options are limited to low-paying gigs, getting a spot with the Department of Sanitation—with a steady paycheck and guaranteed benefits—is probably worth pulling some strings for.

So, everyone there is working just two months at a time? And they’re doing it in one unbroken stretch, without a single weekend off?

hollowmason64 said:Man, that is just a total disaster. How does that even happen?
That’s just inhuman. Working two months straight without taking a single day of vacation is wild—at any job I've had, if they tried to make me work two months without a break, I'd be handing in my resignation on the spot. Seriously, nobody should have to deal with that. ☕

I guess when you only have a high school diploma and your options are limited to low-paying gigs, getting a spot with the Department of Sanitation—with a steady paycheck and guaranteed benefits—is probably worth pulling some strings for.

Sure, if you look at it that way. But consider the logic: someone with just a high school education can't exactly go out and become a corporate lawyer, yet a lawyer could easily step into that sanitation role if they had to. The whole structure is fundamentally broken.

dustymarlin10 said:... so he's supposed to go out and buy a million of them right now?
When a household, a family, or even a regular business is hitting a crisis, buying new cars is the absolute last thing on the agenda.
You fix the holes in the roof first—the stuff that actually matters—instead of playing around with electric toys while the garbage trucks can't even find tires.

Exactly.

Jeffrey Long said:There isn't even a shortage of daycare providers, but then again, we don't exactly have a free market at play here...

What do you mean there isn't a free market?

My Grandpa just barked: "All my trash looks the same to me!" Uncle Tripun shot back: "They can't be the same, for heaven's sake!" Grandpa was messing around with his air rifle and yelled: "I don't want to make distinctions between my scraps! Just move those bins out of my garden! Don't go turning my yard into Karepovac!" Uncle Tripun turned to Uncle George from the police department and asked: "George, you handled something?" Uncle George was busy scribbling in his notebook and said: "Just filing a report!" Uncle Tripun shouted: "Are you crazy, coming at me armed, man!" Uncle George replied: "You're the one with an air rifle! That's hardly a weapon!" Uncle Tripun snapped: "What if I hit myself in the eye?" Uncle George closed his notebook and told my Grandpa: "Put that air rifle away, for goodness' sake! Tripun's a bit high-strung this morning!"

That guy Uncle Tripun from public works showed up for the third time with a truckload of recycling bins for Grandpa’s garden over on Maui. He brought that officer George along this time. Mostly because Grandpa had already aimed the air rifle at him twice before. Uncle Tripun told Grandpa: "Everyone has to sort their trash, period! It's a city ordinance now!" Grandpa muttered: "I couldn't care less about city ordinances." Uncle Tripun yelled: "End of discussion! Paper and news go in the blue bin, glass and bottles in the green, and cans and plastic in the yellow!" Grandpa asked: "And what about coffee grounds?" Uncle Tripun said: "Everything else goes in the trash!" Grandpa countered: "Well, you might as well just leave me with the trash bin then! To me, all my trash is 'everything else'!"

Uncle Tripun insisted: "No chance! You can't just throw everything together like we used to. It's mandatory now." Grandpa asked: "Why is it mandatory?" Uncle Tripun said: "What do you mean why? For environmental protection! To save the planet!" Grandpa asked: "How does putting plastic in a yellow bin instead of the trash save the planet?" Uncle Tripun explained: "Because then the yellow bin stuff can actually be recycled, Chuck! Get it? Since the plastic isn't mixed with other junk, it can be processed again!" Grandpa asked: "And when it's processed, what does it become?" Uncle Tripun said: "What do you think? More plastic products!" Grandpa noted: "So, the planet gets saved by making more plastic out of old plastic?" Uncle George kept writing and said: "Now, this is definitely worth noting!".........

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aaaaaa, just brilliant. 😍I’ve already moved this over to the Waste Disposal thread.

By the way, Charles Fox10, you were claiming that the pyrolysis plant built by Mist on Maui doesn't emit any smoke at all?

Sam Wright21 said:aaaaaa, just brilliant. 😍I’ve already moved this over to the Waste Disposal thread.

By the way, Charles Fox10, you were claiming that the pyrolysis plant built by Mist on Maui doesn't emit any smoke at all?

It doesn't produce anything because they never even finished building the damn thing.

Charles Fox10 insisted he actually witnessed this incinerator in action and claimed it produces absolutely no smoke whatsoever. He even went as far as to suggest its capacity is large enough to process waste from all of California. Honestly, I would love to hear him clarify those rather bold assertions.

In my view, however, it seems far more plausible that the project was simply never completed.

Sam Wright21 said:Charles Fox10 insisted he actually witnessed this incinerator in action and claimed it produces absolutely no smoke whatsoever. He even went as far as to suggest its capacity is large enough to process waste from all of California. Honestly, I would love to hear him clarify those rather bold assertions.

In my view, however, it seems far more plausible that the project was simply never completed.

It was operational back in '97 or '98, but honestly, I haven't a clue what the status is now. Word is it sits idle because there’s no feedstock, and nobody wants to sink money into the fuel required for ignition and upkeep. It was funded by Anthony Maglica (https://maglite.com/), and apparently, pyrolysis leaves almost no smoke—plus, they say the capacity could cover the entire region.

When it comes to trash, plasma technology is just superior.

This one’s pretty interesting. Though, honestly? I'm not sure if New York City actually needs a better one.

CopenHill is basically the cleanest waste-to-energy plant on the planet.

Charles Fox10 said:It was operational back in '97 or '98, but honestly, I haven't a clue what the status is now. Word is it sits idle because there’s no feedstock, and nobody wants to sink money into the fuel required for ignition and upkeep. It was funded by Anthony Maglica (https://maglite.com/), and apparently, pyrolysis leaves almost no smoke—plus, they say the capacity could cover the entire region.

When it comes to trash, plasma technology is just superior.

It’s dead. Total ghost town situation.
People say—who knows how much truth is in it or if it's just local gossip—that the folks on Martha's Vineyard just didn't want anyone else's trash being dumped on them. No malice intended, just passing along the word on the street.

Sam Wright21 said:So, everyone there is working just two months at a time? And they’re doing it in one unbroken stretch, without a single weekend off?

Sure, if you look at it that way. But consider the logic: someone with just a high school education can't exactly go out and become a corporate lawyer, yet a lawyer could easily step into that sanitation role if they had to. The whole structure is fundamentally broken.

Exactly.

What do you mean there isn't a free market?

I am struggling to understand how you managed to conclude that "two months without vacation" is somehow different from "two months without any days off."

Get it together; what you're writing is nothing more than blatant trolling.

Jeffrey Long said:There isn't even a shortage of daycare providers, but then again, we don't exactly have a free market at play here...

My point was specifically about the claim that truck drivers "deserve at least $7,500 net."

Regardless, I agree that truck drivers have the entire continent at their disposal. I'm not sure what teachers or daycare workers have at their disposal. Maybe enthusiasm, a love for kids, and being completely ignored by the government. I highly doubt their profession is in quite the same demand.

It’s not my intention to belittle anyone's job if they are doing it correctly and responsibly, but we’ve become a society that only reacts to market demands. We seem perfectly willing to mindlessly abandon essential, underpaid professions to rot in social black holes.

We've become a disaster!

Or maybe we've always been this way, and during times of crisis, certain truths just come to light.

🤦

Kevin Harris93 said:This one’s pretty interesting. Though, honestly? I'm not sure if New York City actually needs a better one.

CopenHill is basically the cleanest waste-to-energy plant on the planet.

Interesting point.

But if I recall correctly, the "green" crowd is usually against incineration and pushes hard for circular waste management instead.

Samuel Lopez9 said:It’s dead. Total ghost town situation.
People say—who knows how much truth is in it or if it's just local gossip—that the folks on Martha's Vineyard just didn't want anyone else's trash being dumped on them. No malice intended, just passing along the word on the street.

Quincy:

Just a reminder, back eight years ago, Anthony Maglica—basically the wealthiest American living abroad—and the Republic of America dumped two million dollars into a waste incineration plant on Martha's Vineyard, which was supposed to be up and running by summer '98. Since that never happened, the whole thing became one of the most expensive total failures in America. The issue of hauling trash off Martha's Vineyard might finally get sorted this year, but with way less cash being thrown at it. Buying container compactors, the actual bins for the waste, plus building access roads and pads for the containers... all that was funded by the Department of Maritime Affairs, and the whole mess cost about $127.

News from 2008.

Even I was pretty shocked when I first heard how badly that blew up. There was a time when old Maglica was a massive star and the media was constantly buzzing about this incinerator. Through the fog of memory, I think I even remember some documentary about the trial run. It's a shame 😢

Kevin Harris93 said:This one’s pretty interesting. Though, honestly? I'm not sure if New York City actually needs a better one.

CopenHill is basically the cleanest waste-to-energy plant on the planet.

Folks, we should probably move this discussion to the New York City Waste Collection thread, since the concept of "Recycling in the World Around Us" doesn't seem to capture much interest here.
Peppa Pig posted about a documentary airing on PBS, so you can find it at PBS News: Changing the World: The Myth of Recycling.

Changing the World: The Myth of Recycling.

It will be an eye-opener.

To cut to the chase regarding incinerators: even the most cutting-edge facility in Copenhagen emits CO2; it’s an unavoidable reality of the process.

And that little project came with a half-billion euro price tag.

But the real catch is that these plants feel inescapable, leaving us trapped in a vicious cycle fueled by greed—we are effectively stuck.

In short—K. was right all along.

Kevin Harris93 said:This one’s pretty interesting. Though, honestly? I'm not sure if New York City actually needs a better one.

CopenHill is basically the cleanest waste-to-energy plant on the planet.

The problem is, that isn't actually true:
Quincy:

The design for the CopenHill incineration plant and its integrated "ski slope," covering some 441,000 square feet, took home first prize in an international architectural competition back in 2011. It's expected to assist the Copenhagen municipal government in hitting their lofty goal of becoming the first city in the World to achieve net-zero carbon emissions by the year 2025.

Look here:
Quincy:

The plant's chimney was specifically engineered to release rings of steam every single time 550 pounds of carbon dioxide is released into the atmosphere.

If you watch the documentary, they actually visited CopenHill and sat down with the officials in charge. The reality is that CO2 emissions are simply unavoidable; even if they’ve managed to scrub all the other nasty pollutants out of the smoke using various filters, the carbon remains.

Sam Wright21 said:Look, garbage trucks don't just pick up trash by themselves. Besides the driver, there are other workers in that truck doing the actual heavy lifting under brutal conditions. It's a disgusting job.

I think you're overcomplicating things.
The truck driver needs a decent wage $2.50, but the "brutal labor" is being handled by the crew.
So how much are we supposed to pay them then?

Ideally, everyone should earn enough to live a dignified life, but I fear we’re steadily sliding away from that reality.

I happen to know someone who worked as a preschool teacher—specifically with the tiny ones. They do their jobs with total devotion despite the chaos. You've got everything from toddlers throwing ear-splitting tantrums because they won't follow instructions, to messy diapers, to angry parents who can't grasp why a kid wasn't changed the second it happened, all while managing oversized classes. It's relentless.
On top of that, you're constantly having to hoist kids who are already getting quite heavy off the floor or out of cribs, and your spine doesn't exactly care about your physical limits.

You can at least curse at a pile of trash or a garbage truck, but you can't do that to a child—and hopefully, you don't.

I’m all for people being calm and satisfied in their careers, but personally, I’d much rather have a calm, relaxed preschool teacher.

darkhawk30 said:I think you're overcomplicating things.
The truck driver needs a decent wage $2.50, but the "brutal labor" is being handled by the crew.
So how much are we supposed to pay them then?

Ideally, everyone should earn enough to live a dignified life, but I fear we’re steadily sliding away from that reality.

I happen to know someone who worked as a preschool teacher—specifically with the tiny ones. They do their jobs with total devotion despite the chaos. You've got everything from toddlers throwing ear-splitting tantrums because they won't follow instructions, to messy diapers, to angry parents who can't grasp why a kid wasn't changed the second it happened, all while managing oversized classes. It's relentless.
On top of that, you're constantly having to hoist kids who are already getting quite heavy off the floor or out of cribs, and your spine doesn't exactly care about your physical limits.

You can at least curse at a pile of trash or a garbage truck, but you can't do that to a child—and hopefully, you don't.

I’m all for people being calm and satisfied in their careers, but personally, I’d much rather have a calm, relaxed preschool teacher.

My point wasn't actually about the drivers; I was thinking specifically about the sanitation workers.
I've always been a bit of a perfectionist—call me a bit too uptight if you want—but part of the reason I'm so meticulous about my own mess is simply because I don't want to create extra work for them. I tend to delay everything just to ensure I'm not adding to their burden.

That said, I do agree that being a preschool teacher is an incredibly demanding job. I've never once disputed that.

Sam Wright21,
You’re practically glowing with dissatisfaction here. Look, once you filter everything out, there isn't smoke left—just CO2 and water vapor. Has anyone ever heard of someone separating O2 just to dump it back into the atmosphere? And what are you supposed to do with the carbon? Turn it into graphite or diamonds? I haven't heard of anyone doing that either. And please, don't give me that "electricity is clean" line without explaining where the power actually comes from. At the end of the day, the results of any combustion process are pretty much identical to what happens at this incinerator.

Sure, let’s just plant enough forests to absorb all that CO2, shall we? Just turn every abandoned lot into a lush green space.
So, if we want that pristine environmental utopia the greens dream about, we’re stuck with rivers and wind, powered by the sun, until eventually, we're just left with nothing but the sun itself.

We might just have to accept these types of plants because, honestly, besides nuclear, I don't see any other viable sources for clean energy right now.

If we fight against every single solution being offered, we’ll just end up with a Green Left coalition teaming up with TT's Možemovac crowd to make New York City incredibly filthy.

Kevin Harris93 said:Sam Wright21,
You’re practically glowing with dissatisfaction here. Look, once you filter everything out, there isn't smoke left—just CO2 and water vapor. Has anyone ever heard of someone separating O2 just to dump it back into the atmosphere? And what are you supposed to do with the carbon? Turn it into graphite or diamonds? I haven't heard of anyone doing that either. And please, don't give me that "electricity is clean" line without explaining where the power actually comes from. At the end of the day, the results of any combustion process are pretty much identical to what happens at this incinerator.

Sure, let’s just plant enough forests to absorb all that CO2, shall we? Just turn every abandoned lot into a lush green space.
So, if we want that pristine environmental utopia the greens dream about, we’re stuck with rivers and wind, powered by the sun, until eventually, we're just left with nothing but the sun itself.

We might just have to accept these types of plants because, honestly, besides nuclear, I don't see any other viable sources for clean energy right now.

If we fight against every single solution being offered, we’ll just end up with a Green Left coalition teaming up with TT's Možemovac crowd to make New York City incredibly filthy.

"Just" CO2 🤣

Exactly. This is supposedly the gold standard, all for the low price of half a billion dollars.

If you look at an incinerator versus a single flight, the math just doesn't hold up. An airplane pumps way more CO2 into the atmosphere in one go, and that's for just a few hundred passengers. Meanwhile, we’re sitting here obsessing over waste management for 600,000 people in New York City. Honestly? People in New York City probably ingest more CO2 through all those fizzy drinks than this plant will ever release into the air. Makes you wonder where we're actually focusing our energy, right?

If they actually had half a billion euros on the table, you just know a massive chunk of that would somehow vanish straight into the pockets of the European Union bureaucrats. Who really gets to see that money? Not us.

Fair enough. So, what's the deal here? Are you actually expecting TT to build something comparable to CopenHill right here?