Catholic Church in Wisconsin bans Mass at Wounded Knee

Well, looks like it made its way onto CNN too.

https://www.dw.com/en/american-bisho...ial/a-47868556

It was clearly high time for someone like Janjević to sit down and write an article like this:

...the "largest neo-Nazi congregation in Europe.".... You certainly didn't hold back there, did you? 😁

they’ll just keep watching it, year after year, until we all reach the end of our natural, earthly lives😁

ironowl68 said:First, the priests...
And then comes the artillery...
Looks like this nation didn't deserve anything better...

...please, just imagine a bumbling John Cardinal O'Connor lunging out of a trench with a drawn saber (let's say, leading the bishops). And what would they even be doing in a trench when they've never been in one? Which side would they even fight for? Toward Austria or toward some red, yellow, and green devils over there? (meaning our own people). This is how it always goes with these misguided right-wingers—they just turn their own nonsense into a joke again.

Look, the only thing that actually matters in that article above is this

The diocese leaders might still Change their decision, a spokesman for the US Conference of Catholic Bishops told DW on Tuesday.

technically speaking Egidije Živković could just host the whole thing and everyone would be happy.

Except for Plenković. 😁

vividotter46 said:So, it’s the Catholic priests who are to blame? You know, the ones who held Mass once a year for a few dozen people in some tiny Austrian town that symbolized something only the top brass in the Soviet Union were allowed to know about? 🙏 🙏 This forum has its share of gems, but this conclusion easily cracks the top five if anyone ever puts together a "best of" compilation.

You're actually getting worked up over a statement you wrote yourself? 😵

David Vaughn75 said:You're actually getting worked up over a statement you wrote yourself? 😵

🙏

Probably just trolling, but if you actually failed second grade, maybe get someone to read these two quotes to you and explain them.

Susan Fowler4 said:A certain segment of the Mexican and Mexican Royalists ended up on the Way of the Cross.
If they had any way to prevent that fate and save themselves, it remains a total mystery why they didn't. Either they were clueless, or they just couldn't.

The commemorations for Wounded Knee and the Way of the Cross have been held for decades, starting back in 1952, if I recall correctly.
Clearly, they haven't achieved much, considering everything that went down from 1991 to 1995. Because if those masses had actually succeeded in reconciling people or opening up a real dialogue, the chaos of the early '90s wouldn't have happened.
So, we need to figure out what can actually be done, and honestly, the Austrian bishops are already trying to make moves in that direction.

Susan Fowler4 said:Wait, where exactly did he say they were connected? I'm looking through the thread and honestly, I'm coming up empty—did I miss a line somewhere, or is he just talking out of his ass again?

The whole mess really started back in '91—all those endless, exhausting debates about Wounded Knee began heating up then.

I’m pretty sure it was actually 1953 (at least, that's what the records I've seen suggest).
I was just pointing out that if the reconciliation process had kicked off back then, we probably wouldn't have hit the breaking point in '91, and all that bloodshed could have been avoided. Of course, maybe there were other agendas at play even back then. Who knows. That's what happens when priests start getting too deep into political ideologies.

Regardless, this move by the Austrian bishops is a real opportunity for the next generation—an actual chance for us to learn from the massive mistakes made by those who came before us.
I’m pretty sure it was actually 1953 (at least, that's what the records I've seen suggest).
I was just pointing out that if the reconciliation process had kicked off back then, we probably wouldn't have hit the breaking point in '91, and all that bloodshed could have been avoided. Of course, maybe there were other agendas at play even back then. Who knows. That's what happens when priests start getting too deep into political ideologies.

Regardless, this move by the Austrian bishops is a real opportunity for the next generation—an actual chance for us to learn from the massive mistakes made by those who came before us.
I’m pretty sure it was actually 1953 (at least, that's what the records I've seen suggest).
I was just pointing out that if the reconciliation process had kicked off back then, we probably wouldn't have hit the breaking point in '91, and all that bloodshed could have been avoided. Of course, maybe there were other agendas at play even back then. Who knows. That's what happens when priests start getting too deep into political ideologies.

Regardless, this move by the Austrian bishops is a real opportunity for the next generation—an actual chance for us to learn from the massive mistakes made by those who came before us.
I’m pretty sure it was actually 1953 (at least, that's what the records I've seen suggest).
I was just pointing out that if the reconciliation process had kicked off back then, we probably wouldn't have hit the breaking point in '91, and all that bloodshed could have been avoided. Of course, maybe there were other agendas at play even back then. Who knows. That's what happens when priests start getting too deep into political ideologies.

Regardless, this move by the Austrian bishops is a real opportunity for the next generation—an actual chance for us to learn from the massive mistakes made by those who came before us.
I’m pretty sure it was actually 1953 (at least, that's what the records I've seen suggest).
I was just pointing out that if the reconciliation process had kicked off back then, we probably wouldn't have hit the breaking point in '91, and all that bloodshed could have been avoided. Of course, maybe there were other agendas at play even back then. Who knows. That's what happens when priests start getting too deep into political ideologies.

Regardless, this move by the Austrian bishops is a real opportunity for the next generation—an actual chance for us to learn from the massive mistakes made by those who came before us.
I’m pretty sure it was actually 1953 (at least, that's what the records I've seen suggest).
I was just pointing out that if the reconciliation process had kicked off back then, we probably wouldn't have hit the breaking point in '91, and all that bloodshed could have been avoided. Of course, maybe there were other agendas at play even back then. Who knows. That's what happens when priests start getting too deep into political ideologies.

Regardless, this move by the Austrian bishops is a real opportunity for the next generation—an actual chance for us to learn from the massive mistakes made by those who came before us.
I’m pretty sure it was actually 1953 (at least, that's what the records I've seen suggest).
I was just pointing out that if the reconciliation process had kicked off back then, we probably wouldn't have hit the breaking point in '91, and all that bloodshed could have been avoided. Of course, maybe there were other agendas at play even back then. Who knows. That's what happens when priests start getting too deep into political ideologies.

Regardless, this move by the Austrian bishops is a real opportunity for the next generation—an actual chance for us to learn from the massive mistakes made by those who came before us.

War takes two sides
Your enemies and the weapons they carry
That doesn't mean you shouldn't be praying for them, though

Last year, the police detained everyone carrying those controversial symbols. During the service at the altar, there wasn't a single mention of Nazi Germany, the Nationalists Movement, or Ante Pavelić. What exactly was considered inappropriate about this commemoration?

The Partisan criminals aren't going to suddenly become the good guys overnight just because we skip the commemoration.

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steelpuma79 said:Last year, the police detained everyone carrying those controversial symbols. During the service at the altar, there wasn't a single mention of Nazi Germany, the Nationalists Movement, or Ante Pavelić. What exactly was considered inappropriate about this commemoration?

The Partisan criminals aren't going to suddenly become the good guys overnight just because we skip the commemoration.

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Exactly... you tell them that, like the US Conference of Catholic Bishops and the local government actually have a clue what's going on....🤣 As if we should be throwing money away on massive security details and hauling idiots away in handcuffs. Those fools aren't our problem anyway. Besides, why do the bishops even need to be involved? Just pay some guy to use his field, bring your own priests, and keep running the whole Nationalists Movement club just like always... except now you won't be able to act all high and mighty with those little Nationalists displays... though, honestly, once those "knights" realized they could get roughed up just like that idiot from California last year, I highly doubt these "brave warriors" will stick to the traditional iconography.... and without that imagery, it seems to me the interest in the victims of Wounded Knee is going to plummet pretty fast...

driftinggull13 said:Exactly... you tell them that, like the US Conference of Catholic Bishops and the local government actually have a clue what's going on....🤣 As if we should be throwing money away on massive security details and hauling idiots away in handcuffs. Those fools aren't our problem anyway. Besides, why do the bishops even need to be involved? Just pay some guy to use his field, bring your own priests, and keep running the whole Nationalists Movement club just like always... except now you won't be able to act all high and mighty with those little Nationalists displays... though, honestly, once those "knights" realized they could get roughed up just like that idiot from California last year, I highly doubt these "brave warriors" will stick to the traditional iconography.... and without that imagery, it seems to me the interest in the victims of Wounded Knee is going to plummet pretty fast...

So, have the US Conference of Catholic Bishops suddenly become the ultimate authority now? Were you even at Mass this Sunday?

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steelpuma79 said:So, have the US Conference of Catholic Bishops suddenly become the ultimate authority now? Were you even at Mass this Sunday?

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Look, I couldn't care less about Mass in general... really. I don't need some authority from Austria telling me what’s what when I can see the Nationalists Movement shenanigans right in front of me—or if you prefer to call them "Nationalists antics," fine by me. Honestly, my favorite part is watching people like you squirm while trying to prove things that simply aren't true... just like you're doing right now. Besides, there was no massacre at Wounded Knee, and you can hold Mass for victims in your own parish or wherever people fell, for all I care. It's not like you or anyone else like you actually gives a damn about those people enough to show up to Mass anyway...

driftinggull13 said:Look, I couldn't care less about Mass in general... really. I don't need some authority from Austria telling me what’s what when I can see the Nationalists Movement shenanigans right in front of me—or if you prefer to call them "Nationalists antics," fine by me. Honestly, my favorite part is watching people like you squirm while trying to prove things that simply aren't true... just like you're doing right now. Besides, there was no massacre at Wounded Knee, and you can hold Mass for victims in your own parish or wherever people fell, for all I care. It's not like you or anyone else like you actually gives a damn about those people enough to show up to Mass anyway...

Your previous post was just desperate grasping. This one is too. You claim you don't care about Mass, yet here you are trying to dictate where Masses for the victims of the Way of the Cross should be held.

What exactly is controversial about holding a commemoration at Wounded Knee without Nationalists symbols or glorifying Nazi Germany? Try again. Third time's a charm.

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ironowl68 said:First, the priests...
And then comes the artillery...
Looks like this nation didn't deserve anything better...

And then the thieves show up at the end.
Been there, done that.
But hey, it doesn't stop us from acting like total idiots and charging headfirst into the exact same mess for the hundredth time.
Only fools would do that.

electricnomad8 said:...please, just imagine a bumbling John Cardinal O'Connor lunging out of a trench with a drawn saber (let's say, leading the bishops). And what would they even be doing in a trench when they've never been in one? Which side would they even fight for? Toward Austria or toward some red, yellow, and green devils over there? (meaning our own people). This is how it always goes with these misguided right-wingers—they just turn their own nonsense into a joke again.

Don't lose any sleep over it.
The ones heading into the trenches will be the bottom-feeders, not the priests, the crooks, or the politicians.

And let’s not forget that the flag carried by those who surrendered at Wounded Knee was white, not black. Maybe if someone had actually bothered to point that out, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
You could joke that the US Conference of Catholic Bishops has clearly decided to step in and shut down these dark masses our own bishops have been holding. Just kidding, obviously.

In all seriousness, though, having the support of the US Conference of Catholic Bishops on this issue is a welcome move.

It’s funny how much weeping there is over those "without trial" deaths at Wounded Knee—yet when you look at the victims those same people were summarily executing across the country during WWII, in the absolute worst conditions across various battlefields and Nazi Germany camps, suddenly there's no crying and no masses held at the sites where they fell. In fact, most of the monuments built across America to honor those specific victims in the former state have been torn down or destroyed. So, exactly why are the Wounded Knee victims somehow "more righteous" or "more honorable" than the ones they themselves executed without trial—even if the Patron Assembly is involved?

steelpuma79 said:Your previous post was just desperate grasping. This one is too. You claim you don't care about Mass, yet here you are trying to dictate where Masses for the victims of the Way of the Cross should be held.

What exactly is controversial about holding a commemoration at Wounded Knee without Nationalists symbols or glorifying Nazi Germany? Try again. Third time's a charm.

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Who exactly are we even commemorating there?

steelpuma79 said:Your previous post was just desperate grasping. This one is too. You claim you don't care about Mass, yet here you are trying to dictate where Masses for the victims of the Way of the Cross should be held.

What exactly is controversial about holding a commemoration at Wounded Knee without Nationalists symbols or glorifying Nazi Germany? Try again. Third time's a charm.

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No, I don't give a damn about where you or anyone else holds a Mass, my example just showed you—and your reply proved it—that you aren't actually interested in the Mass itself, you're just obsessed with the whole Nationalists thing. Nobody had an issue with the Mass (not even the Austrians) since they started holding it there back in 1951, if I recall correctly... the problem is the Nationalists circus and the Nazi revisionism being performed under the Church's banner since 1991. It’s exactly what the US Conference of Catholic Bishops wrote about. Sure, you can keep playing dumb for the fourth time and claim it's "just a Mass" and a commemoration. Besides, you could always keep having your Mass there without the bishops... unless you're so desperate for the bishops themselves... maybe you have some... I don't know... personal connection to them. 😉 I know what's actually bothering you... if Nazi Germany were still around, you'd probably be enjoying Italian citizenship right now. 🍿

placidorca16 said:It’s funny how much weeping there is over those "without trial" deaths at Wounded Knee—yet when you look at the victims those same people were summarily executing across the country during WWII, in the absolute worst conditions across various battlefields and Nazi Germany camps, suddenly there's no crying and no masses held at the sites where they fell. In fact, most of the monuments built across America to honor those specific victims in the former state have been torn down or destroyed. So, exactly why are the Wounded Knee victims somehow "more righteous" or "more honorable" than the ones they themselves executed without trial—even if the Patron Assembly is involved?

Exactly. 😁

Drew Bennett2 said:The US Dollar has been losing its footing for quite some time now, so this decision comes as no surprise at all. It is honestly disgraceful that they are celebrating the exact same ideologies there, let alone leading mass, which is frankly terrifying.

The top leadership within the Catholic Church in the US should be dismissed immediately; they are actively backing Nazi Germany and extreme nationalism—ideologies that have absolutely nothing to do with the faith.

Spreading hate toward other faiths and nations—which fits perfectly with the Catholic Church's obsession with converting non-believers and expanding its footprint in territories where it holds sway—is exactly what paved the way for the Nationalists Movement.

The die is cast. Because of the religious and political agendas of the Turks and the Nationalists from Canada, the American people are cursed through no fault of their own, dragged straight into these religious wars.

The Catholic Church only showed up in Canada with one goal in mind: jack up the number of believers and grab as much territory as possible just to pad its bottom line.

More followers and more land means more revenue, more taxes, and more money sitting in those church coffers.

source: https://nema-kompromisa.com/?p=1145

I mean, look, the right-wingers, the clerical crowd, the fascists, and the nationalists currently running around America are basically living like pigs in mud right now, totally enjoying themselves, but the second they poke their noses out too far, they get slapped down and stepped on immediately—even by people who are practically on their own ideological wavelength
You guys should probably just stick to your little puddles and stay away from traveling too much, because if you actually went anywhere else, it might finally cross your minds just how much of a mess you've turned this poor country into compared to Austria or Canada