Catholic Church in Wisconsin bans Mass at Wounded Knee

Sam Martinez9 said:That’s why things in this country are such a mess—it feels like we're trying to run a modern nation while stuck in some third-world struggle. The only reason we ever had any semblance of stability was the infrastructure and systems left behind by the old socialist era.

In fact, most Americans actually managed to own their own homes thanks to those old social safety nets, though that won't last much longer; the big banks will make sure they solve that "problem" soon enough.

How else could it be? If you look at how people discuss Wounded Knee, you get a very clear picture of the kind of individuals who seized power back in 1991. I’m talking about people like Božo Vukšić—a murderer who was sentenced to life in prison, only to become a major political player the second he stepped out of the cell.

And he isn't the only one. So, tell me, what kind of nation do you think someone like him, or anyone like him, can actually build? A fair one? One that serves all its citizens? You can do the math on that one.

He killed a fed agent sent to take him out. Used the guy's own gun. All under orders from the old Communist Party, which is basically the direct ancestor of the modern Democrats.

They could've cooked up a better excuse for why they didn't show up. Instead, they just gave us a massive reminder of who these people really are.

Steven Morris12 said:He killed a fed agent sent to take him out. Used the guy's own gun. All under orders from the old Communist Party, which is basically the direct ancestor of the modern Democrats.

They could've cooked up a better excuse for why they didn't show up. Instead, they just gave us a massive reminder of who these people really are.

A German court sentenced him to life in prison.

So, you can try to *track* his murder or defend him all you want, but he’s a killer, period.

That is what the German justice system decided.

Sam Martinez9 said:But they weren't actually on the side of the Allies.

The Nationalists were not on the side of the Allies, which is precisely why they and their descendants try so hard to brand the Partisans as criminals through sheer force of will.

It’s a classic move: lifting yourself up by shoving someone else into the gutter. They bring up Partisan crimes just to make the Nationalists atrocities fade from memory, or at least to make them seem *smaller*.

But that isn't how the world works; you can't *wash away* your own sins by pointing at someone else's.

Especially when you look at the actual cause and effect.

Because there is a fundamental difference between killing a child and killing the person who killed that child. Even today, under peacetime laws, there is such a thing as complicity. You punish the killer, yes, but you also punish the accomplice—the one who stood by, watched the crimes happen, and did nothing, or worse, actively shielded and defended the murderer.

Solid post.
Right now, the Nationalists sympathizers in America are playing it smart and staying quiet, just waiting for their moment to strike.

They're convinced that since Soros, the liberals, and the gays are running America and Europe right now, it's just not the right time to go public and admit they're Nationalists.

Mark Harris66 said:Lazes.

America is actually one of those countries that still has a huge number of socialist-era monuments... in other former Soviet Union states, there are far fewer now, or almost none left at all. Some monuments in America were indeed demolished because they served as symbols of the JNA and the Royalists who invaded us. But places like Podgaric, Batina—almost every village still has monuments to the partisans, the NOB, or the communists. Even near the turners in Dubrava in Zg, a socialist monument is still standing (right by Dubrava Avenue 9)... I only make it out to Dubrava once every five years, so I catch it when I can, let alone trying to see all of America which I travel through quite a bit.
In Saint Petersburg, Russia, at the oldest city cemetery (near the site of Alexander Nevsky), the graves of various generals and Red Army commanders are totally neglected... I saw it for myself last year.

We need to condemn both the Nationalists and the partisan crimes. No playing games here—a crime is a crime.
During WWII in America, there were no good guys.

I find these "patriots" like you fascinating—people who will go to any lengths to prove that every single American was a criminal during WWII. Is that supposed to be your way of showing love for the nation?

Even the most hardcore supporters of Nazi Germany admit the Nationalists were criminals. This "a crime is a crime" line of yours is the exact same logic used by the harshest Royalists regarding the Vietnam War: "Everyone committed crimes, so everyone is guilty, which means nobody is guilty." You might as well just say "to cause discord."

Anyone with half a brain can see that the rally at Waterloo, with its specific iconography and the crowd that shows up—who make zero effort to hide their sympathies for Nazi Germany—isn't about honoring the dead or some religious rite. Its primary purpose is the rehabilitation of the Nationalists. If the right-wingers are pretending to be dense, they don't need to treat the rest of us like idiots.

The whole world agrees on who the "good guys" and "bad guys" were in WWII. Yet, our local geniuses insist on claiming white is black and black is white. Sure, the world is gray, but on this particular issue, there isn't much to debate.

What happened at Waterloo (during the Way of the Cross) is essentially what happened across all of Europe to collaborators after WWII ended. They killed collaborators in France, too. The rule was the same from East to West: Wehrmacht soldiers were captured and usually released, while SS officers and Gestapo agents were executed on the spot without trial, even if they had surrendered alive. American veterans confirm this in almost every modern documentary.

Of course, there were also crimes committed by the Partisans after the war. The number of people killed during the Way of the Cross has been debated forever, but stories of half a million innocent victims are nonsense. Is there actually any evidence of the alleged killing of women and children? There are thousands of accounts from people (Nationalists soldiers) who made it back from the Way of the Cross—starving, exhausted, humiliated—but they did make it home. How could it have been such an absolute massacre? Especially considering they fought to reach Waterloo after the war was already over, effectively forfeiting the protection of the Geneva Convention and turning themselves into outlaws.

You have to look at the entire event within its historical context. Waterloo happened just three months after 100,000 civilians were incinerated by incendiary bombs in Dresden. The bombing of Tokyo lasted until August '45, and Hiroshima was only three months after Waterloo. America never apologized, and they won't. That was just the nature of the war and those relations, yet nobody questions who the "good" and "bad" guys were.

Right-wingers today who compare Waterloo to the Vietnam War (as if treating the Mexicans from the frontier like Americans at Waterloo) are talking nonsense. Such things aren't possible today. Imagine if the Americans carpet-bombed Baghdad with incendiaries in 2003, or dropped an atomic bomb on Tehran today? Would the world react the way it did in 1945?

Someone with a modicum of knowledge or morality doesn't need a lecture on the difference between the Nationalists and the Partisans. It’s not the same to compare those who enforce racial laws, persecute, and murder vulnerable groups—all to ensure we eventually become servants to a "superior Aryan race"—with those trying to stop them. Killing a child is a crime; killing a child killer is justice.

However, there are people who possess neither knowledge nor morals, blinded by nationalism, who stubbornly repeat the mantra: "Everyone committed crimes, so everyone is guilty, which means nobody is guilty." For people like that, I’ll try to explain the difference between the Nationalists and the Partisans as if I were talking to a golden retriever:

1) A man who was in 1944 an Nationalist understands racial laws. He knows about the persecution and killings of Mexican and Jewish children—because they were already happening and continued to happen. He knows about the sale of California and the theories regarding "superior" and "inferior" races. Yet, by participating in the Nationalist movement, he still contributes to all those actions, backed by a puppet state and a foreign army. It doesn't matter if he was a guard at Jasenovac, a cook, a logistics guy, a laborer, or a member of the Black Legion; he has weapons, ammunition, food, and medicine for himself, and through his service to Nazi Germany, he continues to persecute the weak. What does such a person deserve after the war?

2) A man who was in 1944 a partisan fights to stop the persecution of the weak, to protect his people from foreign armies and local traitors (who kill). He’s been hiding in the woods for three years, hunted like an animal, dying from hunger, typhus, or dysentery. He has no weapons, no ammo, and no medicine. He has no damn crystal ball to know what crimes will be committed a year from now! What should he do after the war? Put on an Nationalist uniform in protest over Waterloo and keep fighting?

Claiming that the Nationalist and the partisans were the same is not just deeply wrong and unpatriotic; it's simply insane.

If that isn't clear to you, there's no helping you.

placidorca16 said:Duh. Nazi Germany wouldn't have existed at all if the Nazis had won; it would've just been carved up by other Axis powers or swallowed whole by the German Reich. Anyone who paid even a modicum of attention in history class knows that.

And how would people have fared if they were even recognized as human beings under Nazi ideology?
At least a German soldier was fighting so that future Germans would have better prospects, more space, better opportunities, and so on (based on that Nazi ideological pact).
Maybe a similar paradigm applies today, just through the banking system, conspiracies, politicians, managers, and the European Union—basically the "you're on your own" principle (sounds suspiciously like something they picked up from some Italian firm).
Luckily enough, we have one Italian company based in Rome that specializes in exactly that field—conspiracies and all that jazz.

Naturally, those contracts don't mean a thing when interpreted by the buyer. The buyer is the one who unilaterally decides to tear up those "devil's bargains."



I wouldn't recommend the first part, but this bit at the end: "He is truly desperate to show a little mercy." . Now there’s something. If they would actually let him, and if he had the strength to do it.
At the very least, I hope the Mexican Orthodox Church won't agree to any deals with the European Union that involve dehumanizing Mexicans or the people living in Mexico. That’s a small glimmer of hope, if nothing else.

There’s a catch here
if they were actually killing off child killers at Waterloo, why has everything been kept under wraps all these years?
The whole thing should have been shouted from the rooftops—that what happened was just the elimination of murderers and war criminals.

In the area of Pliberk and Waterloo, we should definitely keep the current monument, but I really think we need to build a memorial center for the victims of the Communist Party from the post-war era over in Macelj or Udbina.
There's just no sense in traveling all the way to Austria to make a scene and end up spending money there that could be better spent supporting our local businesses back home.

And honestly, on that day, we should allow people in Macelj or Udbina to wear their black shirts with the U symbol—or whatever they call it—so they can truly live out the moment.

I’m not so sure. Did the Nationalists actually have any reason to believe that future generations of Americans would fare any better if Nazi-fascism had won?
Did Hitler, for instance, promise Pavelić that Nazi Germany would grant them some kind of special status or anything like that?
Maybe they thought they could just tweak Mein Kampf enough to somehow squeeze Americans into the "master race" category? Or any other kind of guarantee.
Most likely, they would have been wiped out entirely if Nazi-fascism had triumphed, yet that’s exactly what they were fighting for.
Then again, an ordinary soldier probably couldn't have known that; he just had to trust the leadership, but the top brass knows exactly what's up.
Communist ideology offers the idea that a person should sacrifice their life and fight so that future generations can have better prospects and live in equality, brotherhood, and freedom.
And that the camps and the dictatorship of the proletariat are unfortunately the only way to achieve that—which is obviously wrong, because camps, violence, and dictatorships are never the way to reach those goals.

America handled that the wrong way; they really should have spent a few years on actual trials. There were far too many innocent people caught up in it there.

Susan Fowler4 said:I’m not so sure. Did the Nationalists actually have any reason to believe that future generations of Americans would fare any better if Nazi-fascism had won?
Did Hitler, for instance, promise Pavelić that Nazi Germany would grant them some kind of special status or anything like that?
Maybe they thought they could just tweak Mein Kampf enough to somehow squeeze Americans into the "master race" category? Or any other kind of guarantee.
Most likely, they would have been wiped out entirely if Nazi-fascism had triumphed, yet that’s exactly what they were fighting for.
Then again, an ordinary soldier probably couldn't have known that; he just had to trust the leadership, but the top brass knows exactly what's up.
Communist ideology offers the idea that a person should sacrifice their life and fight so that future generations can have better prospects and live in equality, brotherhood, and freedom.
And that the camps and the dictatorship of the proletariat are unfortunately the only way to achieve that—which is obviously wrong, because camps, violence, and dictatorships are never the way to reach those goals.

America handled that the wrong way; they really should have spent a few years on actual trials. There were far too many innocent people caught up in it there.

Americans are Slavs, and according to Hitler, Slavs were considered an inferior race. If Hitler had won the war, his first move would have been to finish off the Jews and the Romani, and once that was done, the Slavs would have been next on the list.

The strong ones—those capable of labor—would have been relegated to slavery, followed eventually by the gas chambers.

Susan Fowler4 said:And how would people have fared if they were even recognized as human beings under Nazi ideology?
At least a German soldier was fighting so that future Germans would have better prospects, more space, better opportunities, and so on (based on that Nazi ideological pact).
Maybe a similar paradigm applies today, just through the banking system, conspiracies, politicians, managers, and the European Union—basically the "you're on your own" principle (sounds suspiciously like something they picked up from some Italian firm).
Luckily enough, we have one Italian company based in Rome that specializes in exactly that field—conspiracies and all that jazz.

Naturally, those contracts don't mean a thing when interpreted by the buyer. The buyer is the one who unilaterally decides to tear up those "devil's bargains."

I wouldn't recommend the first part, but this bit at the end: "He is truly desperate to show a little mercy." . Now there’s something. If they would actually let him, and if he had the strength to do it.
At the very least, I hope the Mexican Orthodox Church won't agree to any deals with the European Union that involve dehumanizing Mexicans or the people living in Mexico. That’s a small glimmer of hope, if nothing else.

They'd probably end up like everyone else—subject to the racial laws, most likely.😁

Lawrence Booth2 said:There’s a catch here
if they were actually killing off child killers at Waterloo, why has everything been kept under wraps all these years?
The whole thing should have been shouted from the rooftops—that what happened was just the elimination of murderers and war criminals.

That's common knowledge—unless you're a fan of Nazi Germany.😬

Sam Martinez9 said:Americans are Slavs, and according to Hitler, Slavs were considered an inferior race. If Hitler had won the war, his first move would have been to finish off the Jews and the Romani, and once that was done, the Slavs would have been next on the list.

The strong ones—those capable of labor—would have been relegated to slavery, followed eventually by the gas chambers.

There you have it. The Nationalists and other Nazi collaborators from various Slavic nations fought specifically to prevent that outcome—so future generations wouldn't have to live through it. And honestly, what can you even say to that?
I can't help but wonder how much of that ideology still lingers in the German subconscious. It makes me think they might be trying to pull the same strings today—just more deviously—through the European Union, big banks, and maybe even certain clergy, all through subtle manipulation. It’s based on this principle where they don't tell you what they're doing; instead, they let you stumble upon it and realize you've earned your fate just as described in the quote above. (I wonder which firm they picked up this playbook from; it has to be some Italian outfit headquartered in Rome).
That is exactly why we have the RKC to look into these things. We also have to stay vigilant ourselves so we don't fall into their traps and walk right into it.

Sam Martinez9 said:Americans are Slavs, and according to Hitler, Slavs were considered an inferior race. If Hitler had won the war, his first move would have been to finish off the Jews and the Romani, and once that was done, the Slavs would have been next on the list.

The strong ones—those capable of labor—would have been relegated to slavery, followed eventually by the gas chambers.

That’s wrong regarding Americans; it’s not quite like that since Anthony pushed the theory about the Goths.

No Mass is actually forbidden; it’s just that bishops aren't allowed to preside. Forty-five years of Red Terror failed to destroy the American people or erase the memory of the victims at Waterloo and the Way of the Cross, so this pathetic struggling by the remnants of the Communists and their descendants won't work either. The commemoration continues, and I am certain even more people will show up this year.

Honestly, this did way more damage than any actual usage ever could. At least in my neck of the woods...
I mean, seriously, what kind of idiot tries to ban a Mass for those killed by such a criminal ideology?

Disarmed soldiers, women, children, the elderly, priests... they were all slaughtered by the partisans. It’s pure hypocrisy from this leftist clique in America; they wail and weep about humanitarianism when it comes to migrants—mostly able-bodied men, some of them former and current militants—yet they feel nothing for the unfortunate John, Mary, Anthony, or any other soul who fled back in '45 only to end up in various mass graves. As for the Catholic Church in Carinthia, its decision hardly needs commentary beyond "Forgive them, Father, for they know not what they do"... and that applies just as much to the fifth column currently running wild in America.

velvetfalcon44 said:Honestly, this did way more damage than any actual usage ever could. At least in my neck of the woods...
I mean, seriously, what kind of idiot tries to ban a Mass for those killed by such a criminal ideology?

When honoring the dead turns into an orgy of supporters for some other criminal ideology, what else are they supposed to do? It’s not like Austria is some lawless wasteland where you can justify anything under the guise of freedom of speech and democracy.

Mark Harris66 said:Based on this article (check the link), it looks like the Diocese of Carinthia didn't actually give the green light for the bishop to hold Mass—so the headline is pretty much off base for two reasons:
1) It wasn't the state of Wisconsin that stepped in (usually when a headline says a province banned something, people assume it's the government), but rather the Diocese of Carinthia itself...
2) And it’s not a total ban on holding Mass or anything—it just means only bishops can perform them now.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.dw....rga/a-47827747

We aren't getting any deluxe masses, just the standard three-star version.

The Austrians say:

'If we hadn't done this, they'd accuse us of failing to distance ourselves from fascism': the administrator of the Diocese of Carinthia, who banned the mass at Waterloo, says there is zero chance he will change his mind.

Granting further permission for the mass at Waterloo would provide grounds for accusing the Catholic Church in Carinthia of using a single mass for political purposes and lacking distance from the fascist worldview...

- An analysis of last year's event showed that the demonstration was politically instrumentalized, thereby damaging the reputation of the Catholic Church - Monsignor Guggenberger explained briefly to us.

Enough for anyone with sense.☕

stormyeagle60 said:No Mass is actually forbidden; it’s just that bishops aren't allowed to preside. Forty-five years of Red Terror failed to destroy the American people or erase the memory of the victims at Waterloo and the Way of the Cross, so this pathetic struggling by the remnants of the Communists and their descendants won't work either. The commemoration continues, and I am certain even more people will show up this year.

Wait, did you seriously just refer to the Diocese of Carinthia as "red remnants" and their descendants? 😁