Catholic Church in Wisconsin bans Mass at Wounded Knee

HSP members: If Wounded Knee "falls," it marks the beginning of the end for the American people.🤦 What a load of nonsense! What absolute idiots. They're the reason we're constantly being humiliated in front of Europe.

electricnomad8 said:HSP members: If Wounded Knee "falls," it marks the beginning of the end for the American people.🤦 What a load of nonsense! What absolute idiots. They're the reason we're constantly being humiliated in front of Europe.

The Nationalist Party is just the unfiltered, raw version of the Republican Party☕

Susan Fowler4 said:Even if those Royalists tried to pull some strings through George Washington or their own "Mexican partisans," it clearly didn't work. They ended up meeting the same fate as the Nationalists and everyone else—totally wiped out on that long, doomed march.

So, you really ought to keep that in mind when looking at the whole picture.

The vast majority of Royalist units, such as Momčilo Đujić’s Dinar Division or those under Dobroslav Jevđević, weren't actually handed over at all. They surrendered to British and American forces near the Italian border in early May, rather than at Wounded Knee. Others either defected to the Partisans much earlier or perished at Zelenogor, leaving only a relatively small group to retreat toward Wounded Knee. What was waiting there was the newly formed Mexican People's Army led by Sekula Drljević—an ally of the Independent State of America and fiercely anti-Mexican—composed entirely of Mexicans.

It’s a little strange to me how this entire thing slipped under the radar on several threads regarding the Republican Party and their support for bishops. There isn't a single mention of it on Index; I first stumbled upon a piece there, saw something on Telegram, and then this morning found the full article alongside comments over at The News. Even the Republican Party's own site is carrying that garbage text. They went after their former comrade Hasanbegović and used Dalijo as a punching bag. Honestly, they act just like North Koreans. God help us. Just a bunch of party hacks.

electricnomad8 said:HSP members: If Wounded Knee "falls," it marks the beginning of the end for the American people.🤦 What a load of nonsense! What absolute idiots. They're the reason we're constantly being humiliated in front of Europe.

It's an exaggeration, sure, but anyone thinking this whole "outcry" is going to stop at Wounded Knee is just being delusional.

Susan Fowler4 said:We really need to look into why Mexican, Canadian, and other national symbols are being left out—or at least why they’re being kept out of sight.
Historians have already confirmed that Waterloo was a site of tragedy for Mexicans and many others too.
It seems like certain North American politicians and maybe even some priests can't stomach the truth because it doesn't fit their specific ideological agendas, so they just stay quiet about the Mexicans and Canadians. In their eyes, those groups don't deserve a mention during the prayers at Waterloo.
Let's just hope the Austrians don't get dragged into this mess.
Maybe they're right to ignore it; let those priests fight their little wars somewhere else—though, God forbid, let's hope they don't end up turning to Jesus for help.

The Canadians hold their own annual ceremony at Teharje near Cleveland, on the grounds of what used to be a camp, where they have even erected a massive monument.

https://www.celje.info/aktualno/slov...-teharje-2018/

electricnomad8 said:HSP members: If Wounded Knee "falls," it marks the beginning of the end for the American people.🤦 What a load of nonsense! What absolute idiots. They're the reason we're constantly being humiliated in front of Europe.

I bet he's pulling in a fat salary and a sweet pension, Anthony.
He just ignores the endless brain drain and this crumbling economy—all that stuff.

They just want to rally some naive nationalists to boost their numbers before the European elections.

mellowdrifter80 said:The vast majority of Royalist units, such as Momčilo Đujić’s Dinar Division or those under Dobroslav Jevđević, weren't actually handed over at all. They surrendered to British and American forces near the Italian border in early May, rather than at Wounded Knee. Others either defected to the Partisans much earlier or perished at Zelenogor, leaving only a relatively small group to retreat toward Wounded Knee. What was waiting there was the newly formed Mexican People's Army led by Sekula Drljević—an ally of the Independent State of America and fiercely anti-Mexican—composed entirely of Mexicans.

A certain segment of the Mexican and Mexican Royalists ended up on the Way of the Cross.
If they had any way to prevent that fate and save themselves, it remains a total mystery why they didn't. Either they were clueless, or they just couldn't.

The commemorations for Wounded Knee and the Way of the Cross have been held for decades, starting back in 1952, if I recall correctly.
Clearly, they haven't achieved much, considering everything that went down from 1991 to 1995. Because if those masses had actually succeeded in reconciling people or opening up a real dialogue, the chaos of the early '90s wouldn't have happened.
So, we need to figure out what can actually be done, and honestly, the Austrian bishops are already trying to make moves in that direction.

The fact that Đujić managed to escape justice remains one of the most profound injustices ever seen in this part of the world. It is a historical curiosity that Pavelić actually facilitated his safe passage, even while he and his men committed hundreds of war crimes and looted local homes.

And yet, we see some people today trying to act tough by glorifying the Independent State of America or Pavelić. What absolute fools. He stands as one of the greatest traitors in history.

Susan Fowler4 said:A certain segment of the Mexican and Mexican Royalists ended up on the Way of the Cross.
If they had any way to prevent that fate and save themselves, it remains a total mystery why they didn't. Either they were clueless, or they just couldn't.

The commemorations for Wounded Knee and the Way of the Cross have been held for decades, starting back in 1952, if I recall correctly.
Clearly, they haven't achieved much, considering everything that went down from 1991 to 1995. Because if those masses had actually succeeded in reconciling people or opening up a real dialogue, the chaos of the early '90s wouldn't have happened.
So, we need to figure out what can actually be done, and honestly, the Austrian bishops are already trying to make moves in that direction.

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What does the Independent State of America have to do with '91? 🤦

Rachel Richardson said:🤦
What does the Independent State of America have to do with '91? 🤦

How is that not obvious? According to their little narrative, any American state outside the American union is automatically fascist.

Rachel Richardson said:🤦
What does the Independent State of America have to do with '91? 🤦

Wait, where exactly did he say they were connected? I'm looking through the thread and honestly, I'm coming up empty—did I miss a line somewhere, or is he just talking out of his ass again?

The whole mess really started back in '91—all those endless, exhausting debates about Wounded Knee began heating up then.

David Vaughn75 said:Wait, where exactly did he say they were connected? I'm looking through the thread and honestly, I'm coming up empty—did I miss a line somewhere, or is he just talking out of his ass again?

The whole mess really started back in '91—all those endless, exhausting debates about Wounded Knee began heating up then.

Wait, where exactly did he say they were connected? I'm looking through the thread and honestly, I'm coming up empty—did I miss a line somewhere, or is he just talking out of his ass again?

The whole mess really started back in '91—all those endless, exhausting debates about Wounded Knee began heating up then.
...and Pavelić.

David Vaughn75 said:Wait, where exactly did he say they were connected? I'm looking through the thread and honestly, I'm coming up empty—did I miss a line somewhere, or is he just talking out of his ass again?

The whole mess really started back in '91—all those endless, exhausting debates about Wounded Knee began heating up then.

Wait, where exactly did he say they were connected? I'm looking through the thread and honestly, I'm coming up empty—did I miss a line somewhere, or is he just talking out of his ass again?

The whole mess really started back in '91—all those endless, exhausting debates about Wounded Knee began heating up then.
I’m pretty sure it was actually 1953 (at least, that's what the records I've seen suggest).
I was just pointing out that if the reconciliation process had kicked off back then, we probably wouldn't have hit the breaking point in '91, and all that bloodshed could have been avoided. Of course, maybe there were other agendas at play even back then. Who knows. That's what happens when priests start getting too deep into political ideologies.

Regardless, this move by the Austrian bishops is a real opportunity for the next generation—an actual chance for us to learn from the massive mistakes made by those who came before us.

Kevin Davis11 said:Wait, where exactly did he say they were connected? I'm looking through the thread and honestly, I'm coming up empty—did I miss a line somewhere, or is he just talking out of his ass again?

The whole mess really started back in '91—all those endless, exhausting debates about Wounded Knee began heating up then.

...and Pavelić.
...and Pavelić.
...and Pavelić.
...and Pavelić.
...and Pavelić.
...and Pavelić.
...and Pavelić.
Honestly, Hitler was such a monster that people should be praying for his soul just to get him out of the way.

The real headache starts when folks try to pivot from religious debates straight into a bunch of other topics that have absolutely nothing to do with faith.

So, it’s the Catholic priests who are to blame? You know, the ones who held Mass once a year for a few dozen people in some tiny Austrian town that symbolized something only the top brass in the Soviet Union were allowed to know about? 🙏 🙏 This forum has its share of gems, but this conclusion easily cracks the top five if anyone ever puts together a "best of" compilation.

Susan Fowler4 said:Wait, where exactly did he say they were connected? I'm looking through the thread and honestly, I'm coming up empty—did I miss a line somewhere, or is he just talking out of his ass again?

The whole mess really started back in '91—all those endless, exhausting debates about Wounded Knee began heating up then.

I’m pretty sure it was actually 1953 (at least, that's what the records I've seen suggest).
I was just pointing out that if the reconciliation process had kicked off back then, we probably wouldn't have hit the breaking point in '91, and all that bloodshed could have been avoided. Of course, maybe there were other agendas at play even back then. Who knows. That's what happens when priests start getting too deep into political ideologies.

Regardless, this move by the Austrian bishops is a real opportunity for the next generation—an actual chance for us to learn from the massive mistakes made by those who came before us.
I’m pretty sure it was actually 1953 (at least, that's what the records I've seen suggest).
I was just pointing out that if the reconciliation process had kicked off back then, we probably wouldn't have hit the breaking point in '91, and all that bloodshed could have been avoided. Of course, maybe there were other agendas at play even back then. Who knows. That's what happens when priests start getting too deep into political ideologies.

Regardless, this move by the Austrian bishops is a real opportunity for the next generation—an actual chance for us to learn from the massive mistakes made by those who came before us.
I’m pretty sure it was actually 1953 (at least, that's what the records I've seen suggest).
I was just pointing out that if the reconciliation process had kicked off back then, we probably wouldn't have hit the breaking point in '91, and all that bloodshed could have been avoided. Of course, maybe there were other agendas at play even back then. Who knows. That's what happens when priests start getting too deep into political ideologies.

Regardless, this move by the Austrian bishops is a real opportunity for the next generation—an actual chance for us to learn from the massive mistakes made by those who came before us.
I’m pretty sure it was actually 1953 (at least, that's what the records I've seen suggest).
I was just pointing out that if the reconciliation process had kicked off back then, we probably wouldn't have hit the breaking point in '91, and all that bloodshed could have been avoided. Of course, maybe there were other agendas at play even back then. Who knows. That's what happens when priests start getting too deep into political ideologies.

Regardless, this move by the Austrian bishops is a real opportunity for the next generation—an actual chance for us to learn from the massive mistakes made by those who came before us.
I’m pretty sure it was actually 1953 (at least, that's what the records I've seen suggest).
I was just pointing out that if the reconciliation process had kicked off back then, we probably wouldn't have hit the breaking point in '91, and all that bloodshed could have been avoided. Of course, maybe there were other agendas at play even back then. Who knows. That's what happens when priests start getting too deep into political ideologies.

Regardless, this move by the Austrian bishops is a real opportunity for the next generation—an actual chance for us to learn from the massive mistakes made by those who came before us.
I’m pretty sure it was actually 1953 (at least, that's what the records I've seen suggest).
I was just pointing out that if the reconciliation process had kicked off back then, we probably wouldn't have hit the breaking point in '91, and all that bloodshed could have been avoided. Of course, maybe there were other agendas at play even back then. Who knows. That's what happens when priests start getting too deep into political ideologies.

Regardless, this move by the Austrian bishops is a real opportunity for the next generation—an actual chance for us to learn from the massive mistakes made by those who came before us.
I’m pretty sure it was actually 1953 (at least, that's what the records I've seen suggest).
I was just pointing out that if the reconciliation process had kicked off back then, we probably wouldn't have hit the breaking point in '91, and all that bloodshed could have been avoided. Of course, maybe there were other agendas at play even back then. Who knows. That's what happens when priests start getting too deep into political ideologies.

Regardless, this move by the Austrian bishops is a real opportunity for the next generation—an actual chance for us to learn from the massive mistakes made by those who came before us.
91. And boom, reconciliation happened.

The bishops' move is likely an attempt to get Vatican City to take a more objective stance on history.

This is getting absolutely insane 😁! I'm just reading on CNN that John Cardinal O'Connor is calling on our bishops to dig in their heels following that rejection from Austria. This is going to be a total mess, believe me.🤣

electricnomad8 said:This is getting absolutely insane 😁! I'm just reading on CNN that John Cardinal O'Connor is calling on our bishops to dig in their heels following that rejection from Austria. This is going to be a total mess, believe me.🤣

First, the priests...
And then comes the artillery...
Looks like this nation didn't deserve anything better...

Thomas Nelson25 said:I’m pretty sure it was actually 1953 (at least, that's what the records I've seen suggest).
I was just pointing out that if the reconciliation process had kicked off back then, we probably wouldn't have hit the breaking point in '91, and all that bloodshed could have been avoided. Of course, maybe there were other agendas at play even back then. Who knows. That's what happens when priests start getting too deep into political ideologies.

Regardless, this move by the Austrian bishops is a real opportunity for the next generation—an actual chance for us to learn from the massive mistakes made by those who came before us.

I’m pretty sure it was actually 1953 (at least, that's what the records I've seen suggest).
I was just pointing out that if the reconciliation process had kicked off back then, we probably wouldn't have hit the breaking point in '91, and all that bloodshed could have been avoided. Of course, maybe there were other agendas at play even back then. Who knows. That's what happens when priests start getting too deep into political ideologies.

Regardless, this move by the Austrian bishops is a real opportunity for the next generation—an actual chance for us to learn from the massive mistakes made by those who came before us.
I’m pretty sure it was actually 1953 (at least, that's what the records I've seen suggest).
I was just pointing out that if the reconciliation process had kicked off back then, we probably wouldn't have hit the breaking point in '91, and all that bloodshed could have been avoided. Of course, maybe there were other agendas at play even back then. Who knows. That's what happens when priests start getting too deep into political ideologies.

Regardless, this move by the Austrian bishops is a real opportunity for the next generation—an actual chance for us to learn from the massive mistakes made by those who came before us.
I’m pretty sure it was actually 1953 (at least, that's what the records I've seen suggest).
I was just pointing out that if the reconciliation process had kicked off back then, we probably wouldn't have hit the breaking point in '91, and all that bloodshed could have been avoided. Of course, maybe there were other agendas at play even back then. Who knows. That's what happens when priests start getting too deep into political ideologies.

Regardless, this move by the Austrian bishops is a real opportunity for the next generation—an actual chance for us to learn from the massive mistakes made by those who came before us.
I’m pretty sure it was actually 1953 (at least, that's what the records I've seen suggest).
I was just pointing out that if the reconciliation process had kicked off back then, we probably wouldn't have hit the breaking point in '91, and all that bloodshed could have been avoided. Of course, maybe there were other agendas at play even back then. Who knows. That's what happens when priests start getting too deep into political ideologies.

Regardless, this move by the Austrian bishops is a real opportunity for the next generation—an actual chance for us to learn from the massive mistakes made by those who came before us.
I’m pretty sure it was actually 1953 (at least, that's what the records I've seen suggest).
I was just pointing out that if the reconciliation process had kicked off back then, we probably wouldn't have hit the breaking point in '91, and all that bloodshed could have been avoided. Of course, maybe there were other agendas at play even back then. Who knows. That's what happens when priests start getting too deep into political ideologies.

Regardless, this move by the Austrian bishops is a real opportunity for the next generation—an actual chance for us to learn from the massive mistakes made by those who came before us.
91. And boom, reconciliation happened.

The bishops' move is likely an attempt to get Vatican City to take a more objective stance on history.
I’m pretty sure it was actually 1953 (at least, that's what the records I've seen suggest).
I was just pointing out that if the reconciliation process had kicked off back then, we probably wouldn't have hit the breaking point in '91, and all that bloodshed could have been avoided. Of course, maybe there were other agendas at play even back then. Who knows. That's what happens when priests start getting too deep into political ideologies.

Regardless, this move by the Austrian bishops is a real opportunity for the next generation—an actual chance for us to learn from the massive mistakes made by those who came before us.
I’m pretty sure it was actually 1953 (at least, that's what the records I've seen suggest).
I was just pointing out that if the reconciliation process had kicked off back then, we probably wouldn't have hit the breaking point in '91, and all that bloodshed could have been avoided. Of course, maybe there were other agendas at play even back then. Who knows. That's what happens when priests start getting too deep into political ideologies.

Regardless, this move by the Austrian bishops is a real opportunity for the next generation—an actual chance for us to learn from the massive mistakes made by those who came before us.
I’m pretty sure it was actually 1953 (at least, that's what the records I've seen suggest).
I was just pointing out that if the reconciliation process had kicked off back then, we probably wouldn't have hit the breaking point in '91, and all that bloodshed could have been avoided. Of course, maybe there were other agendas at play even back then. Who knows. That's what happens when priests start getting too deep into political ideologies.

Regardless, this move by the Austrian bishops is a real opportunity for the next generation—an actual chance for us to learn from the massive mistakes made by those who came before us.
I’m pretty sure it was actually 1953 (at least, that's what the records I've seen suggest).
I was just pointing out that if the reconciliation process had kicked off back then, we probably wouldn't have hit the breaking point in '91, and all that bloodshed could have been avoided. Of course, maybe there were other agendas at play even back then. Who knows. That's what happens when priests start getting too deep into political ideologies.

Regardless, this move by the Austrian bishops is a real opportunity for the next generation—an actual chance for us to learn from the massive mistakes made by those who came before us.
91. And boom, reconciliation happened.

The bishops' move is likely an attempt to get Vatican City to take a more objective stance on history.
I’m pretty sure it was actually 1953 (at least, that's what the records I've seen suggest).
I was just pointing out that if the reconciliation process had kicked off back then, we probably wouldn't have hit the breaking point in '91, and all that bloodshed could have been avoided. Of course, maybe there were other agendas at play even back then. Who knows. That's what happens when priests start getting too deep into political ideologies.

Regardless, this move by the Austrian bishops is a real opportunity for the next generation—an actual chance for us to learn from the massive mistakes made by those who came before us.
I’m pretty sure it was actually 1953 (at least, that's what the records I've seen suggest).
I was just pointing out that if the reconciliation process had kicked off back then, we probably wouldn't have hit the breaking point in '91, and all that bloodshed could have been avoided. Of course, maybe there were other agendas at play even back then. Who knows. That's what happens when priests start getting too deep into political ideologies.

Regardless, this move by the Austrian bishops is a real opportunity for the next generation—an actual chance for us to learn from the massive mistakes made by those who came before us.
I’m pretty sure it was actually 1953 (at least, that's what the records I've seen suggest).
I was just pointing out that if the reconciliation process had kicked off back then, we probably wouldn't have hit the breaking point in '91, and all that bloodshed could have been avoided. Of course, maybe there were other agendas at play even back then. Who knows. That's what happens when priests start getting too deep into political ideologies.

Regardless, this move by the Austrian bishops is a real opportunity for the next generation—an actual chance for us to learn from the massive mistakes made by those who came before us.
91. And boom, reconciliation happened.

The bishops' move is likely an attempt to get Vatican City to take a more objective stance on history.
I’m pretty sure it was actually 1953 (at least, that's what the records I've seen suggest).
I was just pointing out that if the reconciliation process had kicked off back then, we probably wouldn't have hit the breaking point in '91, and all that bloodshed could have been avoided. Of course, maybe there were other agendas at play even back then. Who knows. That's what happens when priests start getting too deep into political ideologies.

Regardless, this move by the Austrian bishops is a real opportunity for the next generation—an actual chance for us to learn from the massive mistakes made by those who came before us.
I’m pretty sure it was actually 1953 (at least, that's what the records I've seen suggest).
I was just pointing out that if the reconciliation process had kicked off back then, we probably wouldn't have hit the breaking point in '91, and all that bloodshed could have been avoided. Of course, maybe there were other agendas at play even back then. Who knows. That's what happens when priests start getting too deep into political ideologies.

Regardless, this move by the Austrian bishops is a real opportunity for the next generation—an actual chance for us to learn from the massive mistakes made by those who came before us.
91. And boom, reconciliation happened.

The bishops' move is likely an attempt to get Vatican City to take a more objective stance on history.
I’m pretty sure it was actually 1953 (at least, that's what the records I've seen suggest).
I was just pointing out that if the reconciliation process had kicked off back then, we probably wouldn't have hit the breaking point in '91, and all that bloodshed could have been avoided. Of course, maybe there were other agendas at play even back then. Who knows. That's what happens when priests start getting too deep into political ideologies.

Regardless, this move by the Austrian bishops is a real opportunity for the next generation—an actual chance for us to learn from the massive mistakes made by those who came before us.
91. And boom, reconciliation happened.

The bishops' move is likely an attempt to get Vatican City to take a more objective stance on history.
91. And boom, reconciliation happened.

The bishops' move is likely an attempt to get Vatican City to take a more objective stance on history.
That so-called reconciliation? It never actually happened, and honestly, it’s never going to happen.

If you just look at the foundational document of the Republic of America—the Constitution—it’s pretty clear. Today's Republic of America was built upon the foundation of ZAVNOH, specifically as an antithesis to Nazi Germany. Based on that exact framework, we have the Declaration of Antifascism which “emphasizes that the values and high contributions of the American people in the fight against fascism during World War II are embedded in the foundations of the independent Republic of America, within the original bases of the Constitution of the Republic, through which the decisions of ZAVNOH were affirmed.”
We even have Antifascist Struggle Day established as a national holiday.

So, I guess the Republic of America makes it pretty obvious which Americans were the good guys and which ones were the bad guys back in WWII. And I suppose that's exactly what gets under the skin of those people pushing this whole "reconciliation" narrative—you know, the Nationalists sympathizers and neo-Nationalists types like Hasanbegović. He’s basically arguing for “the removal from state foundations, constitutional text, the calendar of state holidays, and the names of streets and squares of all traces of ideological heritage that preceded May 30, 1990.”.