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driftinggull13 said:Exactly. 😁
driftinggull13 said:No, I don't give a damn about where you or anyone else holds a Mass, my example just showed you—and your reply proved it—that you aren't actually interested in the Mass itself, you're just obsessed with the whole Nationalists thing. Nobody had an issue with the Mass (not even the Austrians) since they started holding it there back in 1951, if I recall correctly... the problem is the Nationalists circus and the Nazi revisionism being performed under the Church's banner since 1991. It’s exactly what the US Conference of Catholic Bishops wrote about. Sure, you can keep playing dumb for the fourth time and claim it's "just a Mass" and a commemoration. Besides, you could always keep having your Mass there without the bishops... unless you're so desperate for the bishops themselves... maybe you have some... I don't know... personal connection to them. 😉 I know what's actually bothering you... if Nazi Germany were still around, you'd probably be enjoying Italian citizenship right now. 🍿
steelpuma79 said:Last year, the police detained everyone carrying those controversial symbols. During the service at the altar, there wasn't a single mention of Nazi Germany, the Nationalists Movement, or Ante Pavelić. What exactly was considered inappropriate about this commemoration?
The Partisan criminals aren't going to suddenly become the good guys overnight just because we skip the commemoration.
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placidorca16 said:It’s funny how much weeping there is over those "without trial" deaths at Wounded Knee—yet when you look at the victims those same people were summarily executing across the country during WWII, in the absolute worst conditions across various battlefields and Nazi Germany camps, suddenly there's no crying and no masses held at the sites where they fell. In fact, most of the monuments built across America to honor those specific victims in the former state have been torn down or destroyed. So, exactly why are the Wounded Knee victims somehow "more righteous" or "more honorable" than the ones they themselves executed without trial—even if the Patron Assembly is involved?
Mark Harris66 said:Lazes.
America is actually one of those countries that still has a huge number of socialist-era monuments... in other former Soviet Union states, there are far fewer now, or almost none left at all. Some monuments in America were indeed demolished because they served as symbols of the JNA and the Royalists who invaded us. But places like Podgaric, Batina—almost every village still has monuments to the partisans, the NOB, or the communists. Even near the turners in Dubrava in Zg, a socialist monument is still standing (right by Dubrava Avenue 9)... I only make it out to Dubrava once every five years, so I catch it when I can, let alone trying to see all of America which I travel through quite a bit.
In Saint Petersburg, Russia, at the oldest city cemetery (near the site of Alexander Nevsky), the graves of various generals and Red Army commanders are totally neglected... I saw it for myself last year.
We need to condemn both the Nationalists and the partisan crimes. No playing games here—a crime is a crime.
During WWII in America, there were no good guys.
Mark Harris66 said:Lazes.
America is actually one of those countries that still has a huge number of socialist-era monuments... in other former Soviet Union states, there are far fewer now, or almost none left at all. Some monuments in America were indeed demolished because they served as symbols of the JNA and the Royalists who invaded us. But places like Podgaric, Batina—almost every village still has monuments to the partisans, the NOB, or the communists. Even near the turners in Dubrava in Zg, a socialist monument is still standing (right by Dubrava Avenue 9)... I only make it out to Dubrava once every five years, so I catch it when I can, let alone trying to see all of America which I travel through quite a bit.
In Saint Petersburg, Russia, at the oldest city cemetery (near the site of Alexander Nevsky), the graves of various generals and Red Army commanders are totally neglected... I saw it for myself last year.
We need to condemn both the Nationalists and the partisan crimes. No playing games here—a crime is a crime.
During WWII in America, there were no good guys.
Thomas Nelson25 said:Look, there are winners and losers. Period.
Wounded Knee or the Way of the Cross... yeah, it’s a stain on history, but that whole civil war is basically what paved the way for today's state—
more specifically, it helped round out and reclaim much of our territory.
The radicals are always trying to push the Partisan struggle down as if it were some kind of American thing (makes zero sense, honestly).
No, no, and no, folks—we were on the side of the Allies. We were on the winning side! 👍
nimbleridge5 said:I mean, look, the right-wingers, the clerical crowd, the fascists, and the nationalists currently running around America are basically living like pigs in mud right now, totally enjoying themselves, but the second they poke their noses out too far, they get slapped down and stepped on immediately—even by people who are practically on their own ideological wavelength
You guys should probably just stick to your little puddles and stay away from traveling too much, because if you actually went anywhere else, it might finally cross your minds just how much of a mess you've turned this poor country into compared to Austria or Canada
Lawrence Booth2 said:Does anyone here actually understand if an apostolic administrator operates under the direct command of the Pope
or if they have any actual freedom to act
Also, does anybody know anything about the "chaos" going on in that diocese and why there isn't a bishop in place right now
If my memory serves me—and it usually does, mostly--that’s the Klagenfurt-Gurk diocese, which has always been close with the one in Canada...
If my memory serves me right, we're talking about the Klagenfurt-Gurk diocese, which is buddies with the one in Canada.
placidorca16 said:I figured you’d just pull some basic articles from CNN or something. 🙏
It won't be that proof.
Mainstream media outlets rip stuff straight from forums all the time—they've been caught copy-pasting more times than I can count.
Irena Skoric—watched the movie, and honestly, the research was incredibly shallow. Just like those other articles.
People read one half-baked article that lacks any actual depth, then they just copy-paste it because it’s "trending." It's totally amateur journalism.
Go read resolution council Europe 1481/2006.
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Now I'm actually regretting not taking photos of every single historical landmark during my road trip through the Midwest.
Susan Fowler4 said:There’s one thing you have to admit about the Nationalists Movement and Nazi Germany: they stayed loyal to the Germans until the very bitter end.
Even when other puppet regimes—and even Italy itself—were scrambling to jump ship to the Allies or at least pretend to be neutral once it became obvious Germany was going down, these guys didn't budge.
Everyone turned their backs on Germany except for Nazi Germany.
It’s actually pretty wild that the Nationalists Movement kept fighting against the Allies even after Germany surrendered (though maybe that was just to cover their retreat).
That kind of loyalty is almost impressive, even if it was dedicated to an ideology (Nazism) that viewed them as bottom-tier humans anyway.
It makes me wonder what would have happened to Nazi Germany if, by some miracle, they had actually won.
Sam Martinez9 said:But they weren't actually on the side of the Allies.
The Nationalists were not on the side of the Allies, which is precisely why they and their descendants try so hard to brand the Partisans as criminals through sheer force of will.
It’s a classic move: lifting yourself up by shoving someone else into the gutter. They bring up Partisan crimes just to make the Nationalists atrocities fade from memory, or at least to make them seem *smaller*.
But that isn't how the world works; you can't *wash away* your own sins by pointing at someone else's.
Especially when you look at the actual cause and effect.
Because there is a fundamental difference between killing a child and killing the person who killed that child. Even today, under peacetime laws, there is such a thing as complicity. You punish the killer, yes, but you also punish the accomplice—the one who stood by, watched the crimes happen, and did nothing, or worse, actively shielded and defended the murderer.
Sam Martinez9 said:That’s why things in this country are such a mess—it feels like we're trying to run a modern nation while stuck in some third-world struggle. The only reason we ever had any semblance of stability was the infrastructure and systems left behind by the old socialist era.
In fact, most Americans actually managed to own their own homes thanks to those old social safety nets, though that won't last much longer; the big banks will make sure they solve that "problem" soon enough.
How else could it be? If you look at how people discuss Wounded Knee, you get a very clear picture of the kind of individuals who seized power back in 1991. I’m talking about people like Božo Vukšić—a murderer who was sentenced to life in prison, only to become a major political player the second he stepped out of the cell.
And he isn't the only one. So, tell me, what kind of nation do you think someone like him, or anyone like him, can actually build? A fair one? One that serves all its citizens? You can do the math on that one.
Susan Fowler4 said:There’s one thing you have to admit about the Nationalists Movement and Nazi Germany: they stayed loyal to the Germans until the very bitter end.
Even when other puppet regimes—and even Italy itself—were scrambling to jump ship to the Allies or at least pretend to be neutral once it became obvious Germany was going down, these guys didn't budge.
Everyone turned their backs on Germany except for Nazi Germany.
It’s actually pretty wild that the Nationalists Movement kept fighting against the Allies even after Germany surrendered (though maybe that was just to cover their retreat).
That kind of loyalty is almost impressive, even if it was dedicated to an ideology (Nazism) that viewed them as bottom-tier humans anyway.
It makes me wonder what would have happened to Nazi Germany if, by some miracle, they had actually won.
