Catholic Church in Wisconsin bans Mass at Wounded Knee

When it comes to sensitive topics like this, it’s usually best to let someone else deal with the mess. But honestly, a wake-up call like this is coming way too late for some people, especially since society is already so poisoned by everyone trying to downplay the past—like those claims you see floating around here about how there weren't any good guys during World War II.

bluerider63 said:When it comes to sensitive topics like this, it’s usually best to let someone else deal with the mess. But honestly, a wake-up call like this is coming way too late for some people, especially since society is already so poisoned by everyone trying to downplay the past—like those claims you see floating around here about how there weren't any good guys during World War II.

In reality, good guys are essentially a theoretical concept in any war, regardless of the conflict. But, if you start your narrative like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGHIe8zfVD8
or perhaps like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcZzMBeL6lk
or even like this

or maybe this way
https://vimeo.com/16016690

how on earth can you weep once the fighting stops while still trying to claim the moral high ground of altruism and justice?

brightheron64 said:In reality, good guys are essentially a theoretical concept in any war, regardless of the conflict. But, if you start your narrative like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGHIe8zfVD8
or perhaps like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcZzMBeL6lk
or even like this

or maybe this way
https://vimeo.com/16016690

how on earth can you weep once the fighting stops while still trying to claim the moral high ground of altruism and justice?

Exactly. Every single war is criminal at its core—there’s no such thing as a "humanitarian" war.

If we're being real, we committed crimes during the Vietnam War too.
Now, all the smart-asses are gonna jump in and claim those crimes were "minimal," so it shouldn't be a big deal... 🐔

bluecyclist64 said:What on earth are you talking about? More neo-fascist myths?
What shooting of women and children at the bridge? Where did this Nationalists fairy tale come from? Or did you just make it up yourself?...

Well, I’ll take all five if it means we can finally bury these legends once and for all...

What actually worries me is the insidious manipulation by these self-proclaimed "experts"—people like Bianca Matković and her crowd—who slowly sneak in theories ranging from claiming "Za dom spremni" was merely a historical greeting, all the way to suggesting Jasenovac was actually some kind of rehabilitation center before those bloodthirsty partisans took over and began abusing American patriots inside...

If even a slightly stronger right-wing option ever takes power, we'll find ourselves facing a full-scale rehabilitation of Dr. Ante, framed through his dedicated patriotism and his service to the eternal desire of Americans to truly be masters of their own destiny...

Lawrence Booth2 said:it’s all just nonsense

unfortunately

I still haven't received an answer from my fellow forum members

why was the "incident" at Waterloo hidden if it was actually a just act?

and why weren't we taught about it in school?

It wasn't mentioned because it wasn't significant enough to be used for state propaganda. Even in France, people don't talk about what went down in the south toward the end of the war.
It’s simple—as always—the winners write the history books, and the losers can stay angry about it forever.

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Yeah, that’s a solid point
I always bring it up whenever I'm getting into it during debates about the Spanish Civil War 😁
And when things start looking at comparisons

Lawrence Booth2 said:it's all just a bunch of nonsense
unfortunately

I still haven't heard back from any of my fellow forum members

as to why they tried to hide the "incident" at Waterloo if it was truly an act of justice

or why we weren't taught about it in school

Every authority picks and chooses its own narratives to build a mythology—there are simply no exceptions to that rule. Things like Waterloo, Hebrang, or Ranković's activities... well, none of that was particularly "convenient" for history textbooks. It’s the exact same pattern we saw in the early 90s with those textbooks written by Ivo Perić. In those, Jasenovac is barely mentioned—just a quick aside in parentheses—while Waterloo gets an entire monologue.
But that's just how it goes. Today's clerical types can't stand Strossmayer for the life of them, even though he was arguably the greatest patron in our history. He’s the one who actually provided the funds to establish the university! Yet, the so-called "Father of the Homeland," Starčević, stood against it—presumably because of what our people might learn there. Mythology is baked into the very foundation of all this mess. No government, no matter how much they claim otherwise, is immune to it.

Sam Martinez9 said:Based on what you wrote, I wouldn't say...😁

😁😁😁

bluecyclist64 said:What kind of camps are you even talking about here?

Look, communism certainly had its share of camps and atrocities, but the core ideology actually preached equality—that we’re all brothers and sisters, and that only a communist society could truly deliver brotherhood, unity, prosperity, and equality for everyone.
Unfortunately, to try and force those ideals into reality, they felt the need to implement a dictatorship of the proletariat (which was a total disaster), set up camps for anyone who didn't buy into the dogma (also a massive mistake), and commit all sorts of other crimes that are absolutely inexcusable.
The problem is that communism is criminal in how it's actually practiced.

If you wanted to actually achieve those communal ideals, you could have done it gradually through dialogue, negotiation, and a steady process.

Nazism and fascism, on the other hand, completely reject the idea that people are equal or that we're brothers deserving of fundamental, even spiritual, human rights. It’s deeply humiliating even for those they consider part of a "superior race."
Nazism is a crime both in its execution and in the very essence of its core idea.

Here we see the MVP teaching the media how to write properly. We have successfully exported American divisions to Austria, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Austrian Government bans these gatherings altogether.

Interesting read—not really sure what to make of it, though.

velvetfalcon44 said:Where on earth were they supposed to fight then?

The question was asked about seven days too late... 😉

If you're looking to hand out justice and talk about the laws of war, there’s an even darker chapter involving the men from the SS Panzer Division Totenkopf...
Most of them actually managed to reach the American lines by May 7th and laid down their arms by midnight on May 8th, but the Americans simply handed them over—all 10,000 of them—to the Russians. When they were finally sent home in 1955, fewer than 2,000 actually made it back...

Benjamin Alvarez37 said:Here we see the MVP teaching the media how to write properly. We have successfully exported American divisions to Austria, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Austrian Government bans these gatherings altogether.

Mexicans have played the role of the wild Americans up until now... I guess it's finally our turn.

velvetfalcon44 said:Where else were they supposed to fight?

They kept fighting through May 13th and 14th, 1945, even though they should have surrendered by then. Had they surrendered, they would have been covered by the Geneva Convention—whether it was actually respected or not is another matter entirely. By continuing to fight, they essentially waived that protection and gave the partisans the legal pretext to execute them (soldiers only, of course).

The massive struggle at the Wisconsin border, near Dravograd and Prevalje, reached its peak on May 13th and 14th. Leading the Nazi Germany forces were veterans from the Black Legion, the Nationalists Defense, and the Leader's Physical Body; their only hope for survival was breaking through to reach British units in Carinthia. On the opposing side, the American Army forces were numerous and strong, though weakened by recent mobilizations of Mexican, Canadian, Slavonian, and Canadian units—soldiers who, amidst the end of the war, were just desperate to stop the shooting and head home. Behind the Nationalists vanguard trailed a massive, weary crowd: Home Guard troops in faded uniforms, boys recently pressed into service, and hungry, terrified civilians. 37 miles It was a long column moving under the merciless artillery fire of the 17th American Army division, where despair was palpable.

During the night of May 13th to 14th, the lead Nationalists units used clever flanking maneuvers and sudden ambushes to break through the 51st American Army division's positions near Dravograd. Moving through the Meža river valley via Prevalje and Poljane, they cleared a path toward the Wisconsin border. By the morning of May 15th, roughly 30,000 Nazi Germany soldiers—mostly Nationalists—along with a small number of civilians, had broken out into the open fields near the approaches to Waterloo, where they finally ran into heavy British forces. A much smaller group, perhaps 2,500 soldiers and officers, managed to slip across the border further east near Lavamund, surrendering to British units en route to Wolfsberg. Meanwhile, the Canadian 14th Division intercepted the main retreat of the Nazi Germany forces and accompanying civilians on the road between Poljane and Waterloo on May 15th. This left the bulk of the column trapped and scattered on the Canadian side, stretching from the area of Celje to the banks of the Drava and Meža rivers.

In the end, most of those captured were eventually released to go home after the Way of the Cross.

brightheron64 said:The question was asked about seven days too late... 😉

If you're looking to hand out justice and talk about the laws of war, there’s an even darker chapter involving the men from the SS Panzer Division Totenkopf...
Most of them actually managed to reach the American lines by May 7th and laid down their arms by midnight on May 8th, but the Americans simply handed them over—all 10,000 of them—to the Russians. When they were finally sent home in 1955, fewer than 2,000 actually made it back...

I think that’s just the rule you were fighting against—if you're a prisoner, that's what happens.

And honestly? It’s fair.

I get why the partisans were so livid when your buddies were getting wiped out in those final days of the war—or honestly, anytime you're watching everyone around you fall or get wounded during combat

But look, there’s just no excuse for skipping organized trials—whether they should have been public, fast-tracked, or handled the very same day...

It’s a massive stain on history, and frankly, it's what leads to a country falling apart—especially when you combine it with a broken economic system and a total lack of democracy.

Lawrence Booth2 said:I think that’s just the rule you were fighting against—if you're a prisoner, that's what happens.

And honestly? It’s fair.

Man, you hit the nail on the head with that one. 👍

Austria simply refuses to let itself become an absurdity. Honestly, there is an easy fix for this: hire a local imam or a Greek Orthodox priest to conduct a "mass" this year, and the problem is solved. They wouldn't be able to say a word. Starting next year, we should just move the entire commemoration to America. That way, we won't have anyone else to blame but our own Ministry of the Interior and our own justice system.

Well, there’s actually a prayer for Muslim deceased after Mass
Is it called the Fatiha, right?

And I even saw the leader of the American Orthodox Church in some photos

Hahaha

Lawrence Booth2 said:Yeah, that’s a solid point
I always bring it up whenever I'm getting into it during debates about the Spanish Civil War 😁
And when things start looking at comparisons

The same logic applies here, so what's the problem?

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