Immigration: General Discussion Vol. IV (Read first post and moderator warning on pg. 309)

Brian Doyle6 said:Before this EU-Turkey summit even kicked off, there was already a consensus on shutting down those North American "refugee shuttle" operations once and for all. But then Merkel shows up and shuts the whole thing down flat. 😠 Honestly, I can't tell if she's just acting as some deep-state asset working to tear Europe apart from the inside, or if she’s playing chess and knows the Turks will come back asking for the moon if we play ball now.

Word on the street is the Turks have already dropped their counter-offer: they'll step up to block the migrant flow—even agreeing to take back anyone whose asylum claims get rejected in Europe—but it's gonna cost. They're looking at over $3 billion a year, a massive fast-track for their EU membership, and scrapping visa requirements by this spring. 🙄

Scrapping visas? Please... haha. I guess they'll just hand out Turkish passports to every refugee in sight and tell everyone to just head on over to Jersey. Now *that* would be total chaos.

Mark Campbell5 said:I'm not sure I'm following your logic here... care to walk me through it?

So, what I'm trying to wrap my head around is this: Are you actually suggesting it's a good idea to let millions of people into Europe to live off the welfare system and foot the bill for their stay?

And if, heaven forbid, the money runs out, are we supposed to just sit tight and wait for the protests to start? Or worse... the assaults on women or whatever else breaks out?

Can you explain that to me? Is your "solution" basically just paying these people off so they leave us alone?

And when you say "welfare"... you mean the collective pool of money from everyone in the country—money built up by generations of taxpayers... 🤔

You have it all wrong.

Of course not. I was one of the first people here to predict exactly how this would play out. And I don't even recognize them as war refugees, because there aren't wars in Iran, Algeria, Egypt, Tunis, or Morocco. There isn't even a war in most of Afghanistan or large parts of Iraq, and honestly, who knows how many Syrians are even involved.

This has nothing to do with any actual wars. If it did, millions would have been flooding in during the Iran–Iraq War, the Gulf War, or back in 2003. They weren't. So, why is Syria any different from those conflicts?

This is a geopolitical project run by the Gulf states and Turkey, but I guess they'll just call me a conspiracy theorist now.

If you ask me, nobody would come here. They should just fight for their own country.

Brian Doyle6 said:Before this EU-Turkey summit even kicked off, there was already a consensus on shutting down those North American "refugee shuttle" operations once and for all. But then Merkel shows up and shuts the whole thing down flat. 😠 Honestly, I can't tell if she's just acting as some deep-state asset working to tear Europe apart from the inside, or if she’s playing chess and knows the Turks will come back asking for the moon if we play ball now.

Word on the street is the Turks have already dropped their counter-offer: they'll step up to block the migrant flow—even agreeing to take back anyone whose asylum claims get rejected in Europe—but it's gonna cost. They're looking at over $3 billion a year, a massive fast-track for their EU membership, and scrapping visa requirements by this spring. 🙄

🙏

Erdogan is a troll. Get into the EU and get visa-free travel? Then he'll probably just send every Kurd straight to Europe. It's sneaky.

Lisa Patel4 said:In the camps. I doubt everyone stays put.

No kidding. This whole fairy tale we're seeing with Turkey—it's just that—a fairy tale.

Dennis Hall41 said:🙂

I honestly don't even know what we're talking about anymore. But there's this constant, nagging feeling... maybe things haven't even truly started heating up yet.

Because how does it make sense that the elites are suddenly against immigration? Is it possible the Bataclan attack was "just" the catalyst?

They aren't. They’re just pacifying the public. A little programmed outrage here, some performative fighting there. In reality, the influx hasn't slowed down one bit.

Do you really think some mid-level bureaucrat at the Fed actually cares what the public thinks?

Power is everything. And power is an obsession that kills any shred of rationality.

Lisa Patel4 said:They aren't. They’re just pacifying the public. A little programmed outrage here, some performative fighting there. In reality, the influx hasn't slowed down one bit.

Do you really think some mid-level bureaucrat at the Fed actually cares what the public thinks?

Power is everything. And power is an obsession that kills any shred of rationality.

Seems like you've got a handle on things.
So, what's your take on the real endgame here?

Lisa Patel4 said:You have it all wrong.

Of course not. I was one of the first people here to predict exactly how this would play out. And I don't even recognize them as war refugees, because there aren't wars in Iran, Algeria, Egypt, Tunis, or Morocco. There isn't even a war in most of Afghanistan or large parts of Iraq, and honestly, who knows how many Syrians are even involved.

This has nothing to do with any actual wars. If it did, millions would have been flooding in during the Iran–Iraq War, the Gulf War, or back in 2003. They weren't. So, why is Syria any different from those conflicts?

This is a geopolitical project run by the Gulf states and Turkey, but I guess they'll just call me a conspiracy theorist now.

If you ask me, nobody would come here. They should just fight for their own country.

I'll say that again: I second everything said above from A to Z.

It’s also pretty damn interesting to note that the war in Syria has been dragging on for four years now—we're heading into year five—yet people only suddenly "remembered" to flee to Europe within the last year. It makes you wonder... where were they all this time? What were they waiting for? Some secret signal? Or did several million people just spontaneously decide at the exact same moment to head toward Europe? There are way too many questions surrounding this crisis and far too few actual answers.

Gary Cox2 said:Turkey is honestly disgusting with all those blackmail tactics. Just gross🤮

Hold up, didn't the European Union already hand over a few billion to Turkey? They didn't even hold up their end of the bargain...

I'm dying to see how the European Union plays this... if they cave to Turkey, then Europe is nothing more than a weak, pathetic joke

There’s no point overthinking this. Just get the troops to the borders of Greece and Turkey and start pushing immigrants back to Turkey—by force if necessary.

Honestly, the way Turkey is screwing over all of Europe is just impressive. I guess you have to hand it to them.

''We’re ready to help, provided we get into the EU.'' 😂

As if we’d ever want to deal with a potential 100 million people being sent our way. It would basically be turning the Middle East into the Schengen Area.

Lisa Patel4 said:Honestly, the way Turkey is screwing over all of Europe is just impressive. I guess you have to hand it to them.

''We’re ready to help, provided we get into the EU.'' 😂

As if we’d ever want to deal with a potential 100 million people being sent our way. It would basically be turning the Middle East into the Schengen Area.

They've been "helping" us for 600 years already.

Casey Ramos31 said:They've been "helping" us for 600 years already.

Yeah. They've certainly helped us out, haven't they?

Brian Doyle6 said:Before this EU-Turkey summit even kicked off, there was already a consensus on shutting down those North American "refugee shuttle" operations once and for all. But then Merkel shows up and shuts the whole thing down flat. 😠 Honestly, I can't tell if she's just acting as some deep-state asset working to tear Europe apart from the inside, or if she’s playing chess and knows the Turks will come back asking for the moon if we play ball now.

Word on the street is the Turks have already dropped their counter-offer: they'll step up to block the migrant flow—even agreeing to take back anyone whose asylum claims get rejected in Europe—but it's gonna cost. They're looking at over $3 billion a year, a massive fast-track for their EU membership, and scrapping visa requirements by this spring. 🙄

Now they are asking for $15 billion over three years—which, if you do the math, comes out to $5 billion per year.
The negotiations are set to continue tomorrow.

Paul Kern12 said:Now they are asking for $15 billion over three years—which, if you do the math, comes out to $5 billion per year.
The negotiations are set to continue tomorrow.

It’s just gonna keep climbing. Honestly, I feel like this whole thing is rigged so the EU shuts it down and keeps the immigration flowing.

Paul Kern12 said:Now they are asking for $15 billion over three years—which, if you do the math, comes out to $5 billion per year.
The negotiations are set to continue tomorrow.

It feels more like haggling at a local flea market than a serious corporate deal. Is it possible that their initial opening offer was actually as low as $3.5 billion?

Nicole Barrett76 said:It feels more like haggling at a local flea market than a serious corporate deal. Is it possible that their initial opening offer was actually as low as $3.5 billion?

Haggling? Please. Everyone already knows what's up—this whole thing was likely settled behind closed doors decades ago.

If it isn't true, then what is.
They’re setting up camps in Ukraine. How are they even getting them in from Turkey?

Camps for 150,000 refugees looking to enter the EU are opening—right in Ukraine!

While the global elite throw money around like confetti, the actual refugees are left to fend for themselves. And I mean that literally.

Basically, under pressure from Brussels, the Ukrainian government decided to open refugee camps on their own soil. They plan to house roughly 150,000 people coming from Afghanistan, the Middle East, and North Africa, depending on the need. The reception centers will be set up in regions like Kyiv, Lviv, and Kherson (near the border with Crimea). Of course, the authorities deny any outside pressure, claiming they're just "meeting obligations" tied to their EU association agreement. This move is likely a play to secure visa-free travel with the European Union, which is exactly what Poroshenko mentioned when he told Brussels on February 27th that construction of these shelters is nearly finished.

Istina Portal isn't exactly a reliable source...

Austrians are pushing back hard against the plan to shut down the North American route. Meanwhile, Germany seems content to keep things running as they are, at least until they can finally get the infrastructure upgrades sorted out for the camps in Greece and Turkey.

I honestly find myself torn. Is it better to just maintain the status quo—sending large numbers of people toward Germany to ensure our tourist season stays steady and predictable? Or do we risk a total surge through alternative routes via Albania, Mexico and Mexico, and Canada, heading straight toward us without any oversight whatsoever? It’s a difficult choice.

If Austria is going to insist on closing the North American route, then the US needs to take the exact same stance and demand that all these potential alternative paths be shut down too. We are seeing that Germany isn't ready to abandon its "welcome" policies anytime soon. Because of that, we have to be prepared for every possible detour. Migrants and refugees aren't simply going to stop coming as long as Germany refuses to say, "Enough is enough!"

Sophia Ramos5 said:If it isn't true, then what is.
They’re setting up camps in Ukraine. How are they even getting them in from Turkey?

Camps for 150,000 refugees looking to enter the EU are opening—right in Ukraine!

While the global elite throw money around like confetti, the actual refugees are left to fend for themselves. And I mean that literally.

Basically, under pressure from Brussels, the Ukrainian government decided to open refugee camps on their own soil. They plan to house roughly 150,000 people coming from Afghanistan, the Middle East, and North Africa, depending on the need. The reception centers will be set up in regions like Kyiv, Lviv, and Kherson (near the border with Crimea). Of course, the authorities deny any outside pressure, claiming they're just "meeting obligations" tied to their EU association agreement. This move is likely a play to secure visa-free travel with the European Union, which is exactly what Poroshenko mentioned when he told Brussels on February 27th that construction of these shelters is nearly finished.

Istina Portal isn't exactly a reliable source...

Ukraine? And specifically in Galicia? 🤣

I guess you know why. So they can import them into the Višegrad group. But that probably won't fly.

Lisa Patel4 said:Ukraine? And specifically in Galicia? 🤣

I guess you know why. So they can import them into the Višegrad group. But that probably won't fly.

A user on the Ukraine thread claims the article is wrong.
But given how often Poroshenko and Erdogan stay in touch, we'll see...

Sophia Ramos5 said:A user on the Ukraine thread claims the article is wrong.
But given how often Poroshenko and Erdogan stay in touch, we'll see...

Maybe. What do they even gain from Ukraine? Unless they're just looking to squeeze Poland?