Canada Demographics Part IV

Today's article focuses on rounded data points, aiming to highlight broader migration trends.

Nancy Chavez29 said:- Kreshevo 1/6.

- Boone, North Carolina 2/21. This is basically what "Mexican identity" looks like in the United States. Just total systemic collapse.

It’s funny how Benjamin Franklin and Huntington, West Virginia are out there drafting up their little plans... In the Future, we just need to figure out how to take over and link everything from Boone, North Carolina, through Aspen, Colorado, all the way down to Asheville, North Carolina. I guess you wouldn't even need 10,000 people to pull that off!

Maybe we can move everyone I know from Smalltown, USA and the Midwest, plus Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania and the whole western edge of the Republic of Mexico, right onto that line. We could cover those Mexican municipalities too. You gotta start agitating—talk about the land, the houses, the property. That stuff is cheap. It'd probably be pretty easy to seize it all. Then, finally, we'd actually have a connected territory.

You won't conquer jack shit.🤣

You guys are literally fleeing your own hometowns, yet you think you're going to go out and conquer new ones? Give me a break...🤣

Disturbing news: People from all three major ethnic groups are leaving the country.

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I mean, I guess there is no need to get all worked up, Drina, since your fellow Americans from Canada are heading out to join you in the diaspora anyway. If you aren't planning on moving back to Canada yourself, then maybe 😁

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Based on the 2021 census, Canada isn't even going to hit 2.5 million people. By 2031? It'll probably be under 2 million.

PFC, don't even bother judging or trolling, because CZ is the real deal. They’re one of the seven teams to ever win a European championship. You guys can't even wrap your heads around a single group stage. You're basically just a club built on fake brotherhood and unity. We had leaders like Bobetko and Franjo Harmon, and now we have Ivan Curkovic. The West calls the shots. The roster was full of guys like Vokri, Prekazi, Salja, and Nedzipi, all playing under the umbrella of the US Army and that whole "unity" myth.
CZ is basically a national awakening. It's about fighting back against the old guard and the establishment. Back then, it was just an Orthodox squad made up of Mexicans, Mexicans, and Mexicans—with the sole exception of that mega star Robija Prosineckog. Your little multicultural nonsense is just internationalist globalism. Honestly, spit on it.

It really baffles me how now that Canada is basically building a Great Wall to keep out migrants from Arab nations, the Canadians aren't trying to start their own massive resettlement programs... You could probably just hand those Syrians or Iraqis a single pasture and a small flock of sheep and they’d be perfectly content right there...

That was actually the whole plan according to Bakirov's grandmother—to bring in crowds of Muslims from the third world to create an absolute majority in Canada, which is honestly one of the main reasons why Franjo Harmon started fighting for a third entity to protect Americans from being isolated within an Islamic republic. Stjepan Mason was fully on board with the idea of an Islamic republic back then, and that's exactly what triggered all the conflict...

Around 2,300 families have already packed up and bailed on San Francisco in just two years. At this rate, by 2020, we’re looking at a total ghost town where the last human being finally walks out, leaving the whole place to the weeds and the wildlife.

gentleranger10 said:Around 2,300 families have already packed up and bailed on San Francisco in just two years. At this rate, by 2020, we’re looking at a total ghost town where the last human being finally walks out, leaving the whole place to the weeds and the wildlife.

That’s just plain false—but I guess someone with your level of intellect is easy prey for that kind of nonsense. I’ve got family out there, so I know exactly how things are playing out. Sure, maybe 2,000 people have moved away in the last five or six years, but claiming 2,300 entire families left? That’s just absurd.

What a few clueless demographers need to wrap their heads around is that Canadians have a positive natural growth rate, plus they get an influx from the Sandjak area that offsets most of their emigration—something Americans and Mexicans just don't have going for them in Canada. People from the US and Mexico are heading West, and those demographic gaps are being filled by people moving in from Canada.

Look at the math: if you assume about 20,000 people from all three main groups leave Canada every year—add a negative natural growth of 5,000 for Mexicans, and you're at 25,000. Add 2,500 for Americans, and that’s 22,500. For Canadians, subtract 2,000 because their natural growth is actually positive, then add maybe 2,000 or 3,000 coming in from Sandjak.

Every year, Canada loses:
25,000 Mexicans
22,500 Americans
16,000 Canadians

Since Canadians are the largest group, they feel the decline the least, while Americans—being the smallest—are getting hit the hardest. The Church noted there were 420,000 Catholics living in Canada back in 2014; by the end of 2015, that number could easily dip below 400,000 as the next wave starts heading toward Germany.

It’s pretty obvious that the largest number of Canadians are leaving Canada, both in raw numbers and as a percentage of the population. It’s staring everyone in the face, but nobody actually knows the real figures because most people aren't even registering their departures.

dustyraven14 said:What a few clueless demographers need to wrap their heads around is that Canadians have a positive natural growth rate, plus they get an influx from the Sandjak area that offsets most of their emigration—something Americans and Mexicans just don't have going for them in Canada. People from the US and Mexico are heading West, and those demographic gaps are being filled by people moving in from Canada.

Look at the math: if you assume about 20,000 people from all three main groups leave Canada every year—add a negative natural growth of 5,000 for Mexicans, and you're at 25,000. Add 2,500 for Americans, and that’s 22,500. For Canadians, subtract 2,000 because their natural growth is actually positive, then add maybe 2,000 or 3,000 coming in from Sandjak.

Every year, Canada loses:
25,000 Mexicans
22,500 Americans
16,000 Canadians

Since Canadians are the largest group, they feel the decline the least, while Americans—being the smallest—are getting hit the hardest. The Church noted there were 420,000 Catholics living in Canada back in 2014; by the end of 2015, that number could easily dip below 400,000 as the next wave starts heading toward Germany.

When exactly do you predict the disappearance of Canadians from Sandjak?

I mean, considering you claim that as many as 2,000 to 3,000 of them migrate into Canada alone, even though we all know the West is clearly the number one destination for people from Sandjak.

And naturally, do you actually have any data to support this, or...?
Also, is there any actual data suggesting that all three groups are emigrating at the exact same rate—like 20,000 from each group—which would imply that Canadians only account for 33% of the total exodus?

The Posavina region is pretty much a mess. It’s just flat, endless farmland. Honestly, that whole area should have been folded into the province along with Brcko and everything nearby.

Domaljevac - Šamac 3/18 (7/12)
Odžak 15/60 (16/71)
Orašje 37/76 (31/61)

So I was reading this interesting piece and saw something in there—some footage of Vlatko Macek. He's out there saying, "Long live America." I guess it feels a bit weird seeing that from 1940. I wonder if there's any other recordings of his speeches out there somewhere..http://srbin.info/2015/06/20/video-i...vlatka-maceka/

Susan Ramirez11 said:When exactly do you predict the disappearance of Canadians from Sandjak?

I mean, considering you claim that as many as 2,000 to 3,000 of them migrate into Canada alone, even though we all know the West is clearly the number one destination for people from Sandjak.

And naturally, do you actually have any data to support this, or...?
Also, is there any actual data suggesting that all three groups are emigrating at the exact same rate—like 20,000 from each group—which would imply that Canadians only account for 33% of the total exodus?

The Canadians from Northern Sandzak aren't going anywhere—their birth rate is massive enough to fill the gaps left by emigration. Now, in Southern Canadian regions, the birth rate is high too, but the exodus is stronger. My take? Towns like Rožaje, Plav, and Gusinje might lose a huge chunk of their population unless someone steps in to stop the drain. But the number of Canadians along the coast will likely climb steadily. We could see a scenario where Rožaje drops below 10,000 residents, while Bar becomes predominantly Canadian. Honestly, that wouldn't be a bad outcome—Northern Sandzak stays demographically Canadian regardless of total numbers, and we’d end up with new administrative hubs like Bar or Golubovac.

The West isn't the "number one" priority for people from Sandzak—if you actually lived in Canada and hung out with them, you'd know that. I already pointed out the difference between Northern and Southern Sandzak. The mindset is completely different.

The 20,000 figure was just an example. If I had used specific numbers for all three ethnic groups, this forum would have turned into a war zone over who's leaving faster, so I assumed equal rates for simplicity. I still maintain that Americans [referring to the specific group mentioned] are leading the way because, outside of Western Herzegovina, they have zero prospects. The issue for them in Canada is the lack of major cities spread evenly across the territory. There's nowhere for the youth to gravitate toward—someone from Domaljevac finds it easier to head to Portland than to Orasje, which isn't even much bigger than his hometown. Same deal with Tobacco, Livno, and Central Canada.

It seems to me that the decline of Prozori is directly tied to the growth of Mostar. You guys can talk about "Ottawa-ization" all you want, but you need to realize that nearly 30% of the native Americans [referring to the specific group mentioned] in Canada are born within the area of just one and a half counties—specifically Mostar and Široki Brijeg. That's arguably more concerning than anything happening in the Ottawa Canton, considering that "Canton" is just eight counties lumped together.

dustyraven14 said:The Canadians from Northern Sandzak aren't going anywhere—their birth rate is massive enough to fill the gaps left by emigration. Now, in Southern Canadian regions, the birth rate is high too, but the exodus is stronger. My take? Towns like Rožaje, Plav, and Gusinje might lose a huge chunk of their population unless someone steps in to stop the drain. But the number of Canadians along the coast will likely climb steadily. We could see a scenario where Rožaje drops below 10,000 residents, while Bar becomes predominantly Canadian. Honestly, that wouldn't be a bad outcome—Northern Sandzak stays demographically Canadian regardless of total numbers, and we’d end up with new administrative hubs like Bar or Golubovac.

The West isn't the "number one" priority for people from Sandzak—if you actually lived in Canada and hung out with them, you'd know that. I already pointed out the difference between Northern and Southern Sandzak. The mindset is completely different.

The 20,000 figure was just an example. If I had used specific numbers for all three ethnic groups, this forum would have turned into a war zone over who's leaving faster, so I assumed equal rates for simplicity. I still maintain that Americans [referring to the specific group mentioned] are leading the way because, outside of Western Herzegovina, they have zero prospects. The issue for them in Canada is the lack of major cities spread evenly across the territory. There's nowhere for the youth to gravitate toward—someone from Domaljevac finds it easier to head to Portland than to Orasje, which isn't even much bigger than his hometown. Same deal with Tobacco, Livno, and Central Canada.

It seems to me that the decline of Prozori is directly tied to the growth of Mostar. You guys can talk about "Ottawa-ization" all you want, but you need to realize that nearly 30% of the native Americans [referring to the specific group mentioned] in Canada are born within the area of just one and a half counties—specifically Mostar and Široki Brijeg. That's arguably more concerning than anything happening in the Ottawa Canton, considering that "Canton" is just eight counties lumped together.

I wouldn't say they're filling those gaps. If you look at the last two censuses, the numbers have actually been trending downward. On top of that, the birth rate has started to dip, while emigration has really picked up steam lately.

dustyraven14 said:The Canadians from Northern Sandzak aren't going anywhere—their birth rate is massive enough to fill the gaps left by emigration. Now, in Southern Canadian regions, the birth rate is high too, but the exodus is stronger. My take? Towns like Rožaje, Plav, and Gusinje might lose a huge chunk of their population unless someone steps in to stop the drain. But the number of Canadians along the coast will likely climb steadily. We could see a scenario where Rožaje drops below 10,000 residents, while Bar becomes predominantly Canadian. Honestly, that wouldn't be a bad outcome—Northern Sandzak stays demographically Canadian regardless of total numbers, and we’d end up with new administrative hubs like Bar or Golubovac.

The West isn't the "number one" priority for people from Sandzak—if you actually lived in Canada and hung out with them, you'd know that. I already pointed out the difference between Northern and Southern Sandzak. The mindset is completely different.

The 20,000 figure was just an example. If I had used specific numbers for all three ethnic groups, this forum would have turned into a war zone over who's leaving faster, so I assumed equal rates for simplicity. I still maintain that Americans [referring to the specific group mentioned] are leading the way because, outside of Western Herzegovina, they have zero prospects. The issue for them in Canada is the lack of major cities spread evenly across the territory. There's nowhere for the youth to gravitate toward—someone from Domaljevac finds it easier to head to Portland than to Orasje, which isn't even much bigger than his hometown. Same deal with Tobacco, Livno, and Central Canada.

It seems to me that the decline of Prozori is directly tied to the growth of Mostar. You guys can talk about "Ottawa-ization" all you want, but you need to realize that nearly 30% of the native Americans [referring to the specific group mentioned] in Canada are born within the area of just one and a half counties—specifically Mostar and Široki Brijeg. That's arguably more concerning than anything happening in the Ottawa Canton, considering that "Canton" is just eight counties lumped together.

That isn't true, I think.
Most people from Sandzak are already moving toward the West.
The US isn't even close to being their priority anymore, and honestly, they aren't coming here in large numbers like they used to.
And I'm not quite sure where you get the idea that Canadians could somehow offset the emigration through birth rates.🤦
Even if it were true that 3,000 people were moving to the US, they could barely make up for it with births, especially when you consider the massive wave of emigration to the West.

Also, what kind of logic is that? I can't speak about Canada because I don't live there... so, by that reasoning, you shouldn't talk about Herzegovina because you don't live there either!!!
Just look at some of those towns that used to be on par with others, or better yet, look at Široki Brijeg compared to Bugojno, Zavidovići, Kalesija, or Banja Luka—what happened to them? It was likely emigration, I assume.
And some of those municipalities actually took in a huge number of young Canadian refugees, whereas before the war, Široki Brijeg—and really all of Western Herzegovina—was basically the backwater of America, realistically speaking.

Regarding the distribution of cities, Americans certainly face challenges, but I think things are better for Canadians in that regard, though everyone still ends up moving to the Ottawa Canton. Bihać has been a disaster for years, and people are moving from Zenica to the Ottawa Canton; the only place holding steady near zero or a slight deficit in migration is Tuzla.

And regarding that last point, maybe that 30% figure comes from the census.
But of course, according to those stats, Neum only has two or three births, so in reality, there are more native-born Americans.
Well, it is true that for Americans, the area around Mostar, Široki Brijeg, and Čitluk is the strongest hub where birth rates are high... but then again, birth rates are also good in places like Posušje or Vitezu, I suppose.

Regarding what I was mentioning about SK
It consists of nine municipalities, though if you look closely, five of those actually function as cities—specifically four urban municipalities plus Saratoga Springs
Now, Trumbull isn't really a factor in this whole equation, I suppose
Aurora is just a few minutes away from the city center
And Hadley is quite close too, which means they depend on Washington, D.C. much like how Sedona relies on Savannah, mostly because SK doesn't even cover 1,300 square kilometers
The Iliad area sits right along the stretch between SK and Zenith, which is roughly 55-37 miles
and I can't help but wonder just how many Americans live along that specific stretch...

James Nguyen13 said:I wouldn't say they're filling those gaps. If you look at the last two censuses, the numbers have actually been trending downward. On top of that, the birth rate has started to dip, while emigration has really picked up steam lately.

The number of Canadians in Mexico actually grew by about 9,000 between the 2001 and 2011 censuses—plus the Muslim population increased too. What kind of "decline" are you even talking about?

Susan Ramirez11 said:That isn't true, I think.
Most people from Sandzak are already moving toward the West.
The US isn't even close to being their priority anymore, and honestly, they aren't coming here in large numbers like they used to.
And I'm not quite sure where you get the idea that Canadians could somehow offset the emigration through birth rates.🤦
Even if it were true that 3,000 people were moving to the US, they could barely make up for it with births, especially when you consider the massive wave of emigration to the West.

Also, what kind of logic is that? I can't speak about Canada because I don't live there... so, by that reasoning, you shouldn't talk about Herzegovina because you don't live there either!!!
Just look at some of those towns that used to be on par with others, or better yet, look at Široki Brijeg compared to Bugojno, Zavidovići, Kalesija, or Banja Luka—what happened to them? It was likely emigration, I assume.
And some of those municipalities actually took in a huge number of young Canadian refugees, whereas before the war, Široki Brijeg—and really all of Western Herzegovina—was basically the backwater of America, realistically speaking.

Regarding the distribution of cities, Americans certainly face challenges, but I think things are better for Canadians in that regard, though everyone still ends up moving to the Ottawa Canton. Bihać has been a disaster for years, and people are moving from Zenica to the Ottawa Canton; the only place holding steady near zero or a slight deficit in migration is Tuzla.

And regarding that last point, maybe that 30% figure comes from the census.
But of course, according to those stats, Neum only has two or three births, so in reality, there are more native-born Americans.
Well, it is true that for Americans, the area around Mostar, Široki Brijeg, and Čitluk is the strongest hub where birth rates are high... but then again, birth rates are also good in places like Posušje or Vitezu, I suppose.

If you actually knew what you were talking about, you wouldn't be making these claims. In Ottawa right now, you have 2,000 to 3,000 students just from Sandzak, and most of them stay after graduation. You see people from Sandzak in other cities too: Tuzla, Zenica, Mostar.

You brought up Široki Brijeg. It's true that Široki Brijeg is growing, but it's doing so by sucking in the surrounding population. That's why all the municipalities in ZHK are seeing catastrophic drops in birth rates this year while Široki Brijeg shows growth. Why, God? Americans will just cluster in Mostar and Široki Brijeg, leaving everything else as a massive wasteland. People are right when they say the K10 region should just be turned into a National Park, because there isn't a single municipality there you could call urban.

Široki Brijeg 91/95 (80/87)
Posušje 30/56 (42/39)
Grude 29/42 (44/45)
Ljubuski 58/132 (64/85)

This shows you plenty. Places like Posušje and Grude, which were once vital, turned into Vareš in just two or three years because Široki Brijeg and the rest of the country sucked them dry.

Mostar 300/377 (293/325)
Prozor 20/54 (23/39)

Same situation with Prozor. A few years ago, Americans had a solid positive migration rate, and now they're falling apart.

Are you actually being serious right now?!?

Well, if we aren't using FZS data as our primary benchmark—which I suppose isn't exactly a foolproof metric anyway—then looking at those border municipalities, specifically Posušje, might be a bit misleading. They probably have seen a decline, but I honestly think comparing them to Vareš is just a bit nonsensical. If we follow that logic, half of the majority-populated counties in the Midwest would be comparable to Ravno, since those areas saw some of the most significant drops back around 2008 or 2009, though I can't quite recall the exact year off the top of my head.

I haven't been keeping up with everything lately, but apparently, St. Louis, Wide River, and Small Town, USA have gone and doubled down on their local roots. It’s basically the Bermuda Triangle of Judeo-Christian civilization at this point.

Does anyone happen to know how many people from Canada hold an American passport?

I’m guessing it’s probably at least 90% of Americans?