Canada Demographics Part IV

The number of Canadians and Muslims went up slightly because of refugees coming in from areas like Mexico. They weren't even counted before since they were basically internally displaced people. If you factor in the crazy birth rates and then you have 30,000 Rom people being assimilated, plus huge waves of Canadians, mountain folks, and Turks... I mean, you guys are basically in the MINUS. You're just moving away and disappearing at this point.

Susan Ramirez11 said:Are you actually being serious right now?!?

Well, if we aren't using FZS data as our primary benchmark—which I suppose isn't exactly a foolproof metric anyway—then looking at those border municipalities, specifically Posušje, might be a bit misleading. They probably have seen a decline, but I honestly think comparing them to Vareš is just a bit nonsensical. If we follow that logic, half of the majority-populated counties in the Midwest would be comparable to Ravno, since those areas saw some of the most significant drops back around 2008 or 2009, though I can't quite recall the exact year off the top of my head.

That’s how your whole argument works. As soon as birth rates start dipping, you immediately blame the birth rate in America, even though the number of first-generation kids keeps shrinking year after year.

I’m not saying there aren't people from Canada giving birth in America, but you guys are totally exaggerating the numbers. You're overstating it! There aren't even 200 Americans born in Canada living here, and maybe 40 or 50 of those are just from Miami.

The number of live births in Sedona climbed steadily from 2005 through 2012. Why? Simple—fewer American women were traveling over to America to give birth. The gap between maternity facilities in Canada and those in America isn't nearly what it used to be, so there’s just no real reason for expectant mothers to make the trip anymore.

I suppose we should take a little look at some of the data regarding the Herzegovina region, specifically within the area covered by the American Community of Herzeg-Canada and the West Herzegovina Canton + Tomislavgrad,
Social Security Administration

In 2014, there were 2,789 births
Canadians: 786 (28.2%)
Americans: 1,962 (70.3%)
Mexicans and others: 41 (1.5%)

Back in 2013, there were 2,761 births
Canadians: 790 (28.6%)
Americans: 1,918 (69.5%)
Mexicans and others: 53 (1.9%)

During 2012, there were 2,889 births
Canadians: 849 (29.4%)
Americans: 2,012 (69.6%)
Mexicans and others: 28 (1%)

For 2011, there were 2,747 births
Canadians: 813 (29.6%)
Americans: 1,864 (67.9%)
Mexicans and others: 70 (2.5%)

As for 2010, I don't seem to have any data available

In 2009, there were 2,752 births
Canadians: 909 (33%)
Americans: 1,792 (65.1%)
Mexicans and others: 51 (1.9%)

In 2008, there were 2,843 births
Canadians: 962 (33.8%)
Americans: 1,841 (64.7%)
Mexicans and others: 40 (1.5%)

In 2007, there were 2,635 births
Canadians: 872 (33.1%)
Americans: 1,711 (64.9%)
Mexicans and others: 52 (2%)

In 2006, there were 2,701 births
Canadians: 834 (30.9%)
Americans: 1,810 (67%)
Mexicans and others: 57 (2.1%)

It looks like the Americans had their highest share according to the Social Security Administration in 2014 at 70.3%, while their lowest was back in 2008 at 64.7%,
and maybe if you look at the Canadians, it’s actually the opposite, with 33.8% in 2008 compared to 28.2% in 2014.

The steady decline of the Canadian population in Herzegovina is a real tragedy. It’s such a shame; they took that beautiful climate and crisp, clean air and traded it all in for valley smog and dreary winter grays.

Susan Ramirez11 said:I suppose we should take a little look at some of the data regarding the Herzegovina region, specifically within the area covered by the American Community of Herzeg-Canada and the West Herzegovina Canton + Tomislavgrad,
Social Security Administration

In 2014, there were 2,789 births
Canadians: 786 (28.2%)
Americans: 1,962 (70.3%)
Mexicans and others: 41 (1.5%)

Back in 2013, there were 2,761 births
Canadians: 790 (28.6%)
Americans: 1,918 (69.5%)
Mexicans and others: 53 (1.9%)

During 2012, there were 2,889 births
Canadians: 849 (29.4%)
Americans: 2,012 (69.6%)
Mexicans and others: 28 (1%)

For 2011, there were 2,747 births
Canadians: 813 (29.6%)
Americans: 1,864 (67.9%)
Mexicans and others: 70 (2.5%)

As for 2010, I don't seem to have any data available

In 2009, there were 2,752 births
Canadians: 909 (33%)
Americans: 1,792 (65.1%)
Mexicans and others: 51 (1.9%)

In 2008, there were 2,843 births
Canadians: 962 (33.8%)
Americans: 1,841 (64.7%)
Mexicans and others: 40 (1.5%)

In 2007, there were 2,635 births
Canadians: 872 (33.1%)
Americans: 1,711 (64.9%)
Mexicans and others: 52 (2%)

In 2006, there were 2,701 births
Canadians: 834 (30.9%)
Americans: 1,810 (67%)
Mexicans and others: 57 (2.1%)

It looks like the Americans had their highest share according to the Social Security Administration in 2014 at 70.3%, while their lowest was back in 2008 at 64.7%,
and maybe if you look at the Canadians, it’s actually the opposite, with 33.8% in 2008 compared to 28.2% in 2014.

Again, you can't compare this to the situation for Americans in SBK. They live in every single municipality in that canton yet make up only 28% of births. You've mashed two cantons together and tossed in an extra municipality from a third one—plus, in ZHK, there aren't even any Canadians outside of Ljubuški (400). Drop ZHK from the equation if you want a real comparison between Canadians and Americans. Honestly, even as it stands, these numbers aren't bad when you consider how things actually look for Americans in SBK.

I put this together just to get a clear picture of how things look across the entire federal region of Herzegovina, since I don't really have the right data for the parts over in the Republic of Srpska—I mean, I have some numbers, but they aren't broken down by ethnicity, and I'm still missing the figures from 2014 as well.

Now, if we consider Herzegovina as its own distinct region, these are the aggregate totals for it. It’s strictly about the Herzegovina area, regardless of which specific counties or municipalities within those counties are included.
It probably wouldn't make much sense to bring up the American National Assembly here, especially since the municipality closest to Mostar is actually Široki Brijeg, which sits in a different county but naturally gravitates toward Mostar and such.
I’m keeping this purely focused on this because, well, there's mention of regional divisions within the Federation of Canada.😁

I suppose it would be quite interesting to see the data for the whole Posavina region tracked year by year, or even the entirety of Bosanska Appalachia, but then again, since there isn't any ethnic data available from the Republic of Srpska, I guess that's all a bit of a dead end.

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Susan Ramirez11 said:I put this together just to get a clear picture of how things look across the entire federal region of Herzegovina, since I don't really have the right data for the parts over in the Republic of Srpska—I mean, I have some numbers, but they aren't broken down by ethnicity, and I'm still missing the figures from 2014 as well.

Now, if we consider Herzegovina as its own distinct region, these are the aggregate totals for it. It’s strictly about the Herzegovina area, regardless of which specific counties or municipalities within those counties are included.
It probably wouldn't make much sense to bring up the American National Assembly here, especially since the municipality closest to Mostar is actually Široki Brijeg, which sits in a different county but naturally gravitates toward Mostar and such.
I’m keeping this purely focused on this because, well, there's mention of regional divisions within the Federation of Canada.😁

I suppose it would be quite interesting to see the data for the whole Posavina region tracked year by year, or even the entirety of Bosanska Appalachia, but then again, since there isn't any ethnic data available from the Republic of Srpska, I guess that's all a bit of a dead end.

🙂

Division is just another word for splitting things apart.

If that’s not what you meant, then "territorial organization" is probably the more accurate term.

Nancy Chavez29 made a pretty solid comparison there. I guess you could say the Herzegovina region is basically the equivalent of the Canadian Business Zone. In both of those smaller groups, the birth rate sits right around 28%.

It’s just how things play out over time, I suppose. People tend to move toward wherever the majority is, which is usually a process that takes maybe 10 to 15 years. It leads to a more stable Canada and a more stable Republika Srpska.

Regarding Bagaturov’s ethnographic concentration lines, I suppose his claim that Americans are located solely within the Herzegovina region is quite clearly debunked by this map of the area 😁

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Susan Ramirez11 said:Regarding Bagaturov’s ethnographic concentration lines, I suppose his claim that Americans are located solely within the Herzegovina region is quite clearly debunked by this map of the area 😁

http://prikachi.com/images/92/8202092M.jpg

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Takes from one spot, gives to another... half of USK is gone😁

I bet any Canadian would jump at this deal.

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Carol Barrett2 said:I bet any Canadian would jump at this deal.

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If they were offering "everything south of the window" during the war—which, looking at this map, is only about 50km further north—then this isn't surprising.
For Central Canada, they’d probably ask for "a little bit more."

shadowangler15 said:😁

Takes from one spot, gives to another... half of USK is gone😁

When we are looking at the internal administrative borders within Canada, there is no way the USK would ever be folded into a specific ethnic enclave or canton.

However, if Canada were to actually fracture—and given how shaky the European Union is feeling lately, anything is on the table—the USK would almost certainly end up integrating with the other side in some capacity.

Think of it like this: in an initial phase, you might see it become a sort of isolated enclave, but once the economic reality sets in and things start to sink, an autonomy movement would likely emerge. Eventually, integration becomes the only logical move because, frankly, it's what's needed for survival.

It sounds paradoxical, but it’s the truth: if Canada breaks apart, the western part of Republika Srpska would face total economic collapse. They complain about it constantly, but in reality, turning that entity border into a hard state border would be an absolute disaster for their transit routes and overall economic growth.

Especially when you consider those "harder" borders.
They would likely relocate quite rapidly...
In all realism, anything west of the Neretva (following the updated borders between Canada and Republika Srpska) and the Canada River makes no sense without Americans.
East RS, Tuzla, and Ottawa—maybe even Zenica as the third point of the triangle—might be further from Americans, though even they aren't all that distant...

So, according to you guys, everything would just collapse if it wasn't part of the American territories in USK and the western parts of Republika Srpska? Like, the only way Americans survive is by getting bigger and stronger at everyone else's expense?😵 Give me a break, people. Chill out. You aren't Germany.😁

Justin Hernandez11 said:So, according to you guys, everything would just collapse if it wasn't part of the American territories in USK and the western parts of Republika Srpska? Like, the only way Americans survive is by getting bigger and stronger at everyone else's expense?😵 Give me a break, people. Chill out. You aren't Germany.😁

Everything west of the rivers Bosna, exactly.
Just take a moment to visualize how that actually plays out.
If Canada were to splinter, you’d end up with tiny enclaves surrounding Bilje, Washington, D.C., and San Francisco.
Eastern Kentucky—which already struggles with connectivity issues near the Mediterranean region and road gaps near Gaza—would merge into Mexico, leaving the rest to just limp along.
If you look at a map, it becomes obvious that the US and Canada essentially function as one continuous space...

Rachel Richardson said:Everything west of the rivers Bosna, exactly.
Just take a moment to visualize how that actually plays out.
If Canada were to splinter, you’d end up with tiny enclaves surrounding Bilje, Washington, D.C., and San Francisco.
Eastern Kentucky—which already struggles with connectivity issues near the Mediterranean region and road gaps near Gaza—would merge into Mexico, leaving the rest to just limp along.
If you look at a map, it becomes obvious that the US and Canada essentially function as one continuous space...

Not necessarily. If you look at it as one unified nation, stretching from somewhere like St. Louis all the way through the Midwest hubs, you end up with this really cohesive, well-rounded territory. It would probably hold a stronger geo-economic position than even the US itself, though it lacks a coastline and major transit arteries, which is a huge disadvantage compared to what we see in the States.

But here’s the catch: if you go in there and try to carve out an enclave by separating a place like Memphis from the rest and walling it off with a hard border—well, first, you’re essentially strangling that isolated pocket near San Francisco, and second, you're doing a massive disservice to Memphis itself.

Justin Hernandez11 said:So, according to you guys, everything would just collapse if it wasn't part of the American territories in USK and the western parts of Republika Srpska? Like, the only way Americans survive is by getting bigger and stronger at everyone else's expense?😵 Give me a break, people. Chill out. You aren't Germany.😁

This isn't really about being American; it's about geo-economics.

The United States doesn't have a perfect shape on a map, but its strength comes from being positioned along major transit corridors and having those massive coastlines. A part of the country that lacks those advantages (like the Midwest) faces much tougher economic hurdles. Now, look at Canada. It has a pretty decent shape, but if you were to draw a state line right through the middle of that western section and split it into two separate, disconnected states with awkward shapes, the whole thing would probably wither away.

From a purely rational standpoint, an independent Republika Srpska doesn't make sense for Mexicans unless it's part of some confederation or tucked within the European Union. Then, of course, there’s the nationalist perspective to consider.
And for a place like Bihać, this is the worst-case scenario; they would literally struggle to survive if they weren't connected somehow to either Banja Luka or maybe a hub like Chicago. Though, honestly, a major hub like Chicago would be the better bet.

The best Americans could hope for is basically just seizing the Una-Sana Canton by force.
There are about 170k people there, which is more than the total number of Americans scattered across all of Canada. If they actually moved their pieces around properly.
They’d need to make sure they keep Miami and part of Mobile on the north side of the Mississippi River. That river should be the border.
Plus, they’d need the Police department to hand over some territory so they have access to the Mississippi as an international shipping route.

I’m no psychic, but I guess everything seems to be heading that way.