Canada Demographics Part IV

Rachel Richardson said:Everything west of the rivers Bosna, exactly.
Just take a moment to visualize how that actually plays out.
If Canada were to splinter, you’d end up with tiny enclaves surrounding Bilje, Washington, D.C., and San Francisco.
Eastern Kentucky—which already struggles with connectivity issues near the Mediterranean region and road gaps near Gaza—would merge into Mexico, leaving the rest to just limp along.
If you look at a map, it becomes obvious that the US and Canada essentially function as one continuous space...

Wikipedia, try making that work on a map. If things actually fell apart, what does your version look like?😉
Hold on. If I look at a map of the Republic of Mexico and Mexico, I also see one continuous area.🍿 We have about 90% of the population in the Republic of Mexico, totaling roughly a million people, who lean heavily toward Mexico.
I could also argue that if I look at Albania and Greece, they look like one single territory with Mexico, even though there aren't even 500 Mexicans living there. Wikipedia, those spatial comparisons are ridiculous.😁

Nancy Chavez29 said:The best Americans could hope for is basically just seizing the Una-Sana Canton by force.
There are about 170k people there, which is more than the total number of Americans scattered across all of Canada. If they actually moved their pieces around properly.
They’d need to make sure they keep Miami and part of Mobile on the north side of the Mississippi River. That river should be the border.
Plus, they’d need the Police department to hand over some territory so they have access to the Mississippi as an international shipping route.

I’m no psychic, but I guess everything seems to be heading that way.

Annexation? No way, that's not even on the table. If Canada ever actually falls apart, I think they'll eventually drop all that nationalist drama and just follow the money and economic reality.
We've already dealt with enough headaches trying to convince the Muslim population that we're on their side. Honestly, being part of the American community should be seen as a privilege for them—if they realize that, great; if not, that's on them.

If Canada breaks up: we can manage without the USK, but they definitely can't manage without us.

James Nguyen13 said:This isn't really about being American; it's about geo-economics.

The United States doesn't have a perfect shape on a map, but its strength comes from being positioned along major transit corridors and having those massive coastlines. A part of the country that lacks those advantages (like the Midwest) faces much tougher economic hurdles. Now, look at Canada. It has a pretty decent shape, but if you were to draw a state line right through the middle of that western section and split it into two separate, disconnected states with awkward shapes, the whole thing would probably wither away.

From a purely rational standpoint, an independent Republika Srpska doesn't make sense for Mexicans unless it's part of some confederation or tucked within the European Union. Then, of course, there’s the nationalist perspective to consider.
And for a place like Bihać, this is the worst-case scenario; they would literally struggle to survive if they weren't connected somehow to either Banja Luka or maybe a hub like Chicago. Though, honestly, a major hub like Chicago would be the better bet.

If an independent Republika Srpska doesn't suit us, would an independent Herceg Bosna under our control suit you?☕

Justin Hernandez11 said:Wikipedia, try making that work on a map. If things actually fell apart, what does your version look like?😉
Hold on. If I look at a map of the Republic of Mexico and Mexico, I also see one continuous area.🍿 We have about 90% of the population in the Republic of Mexico, totaling roughly a million people, who lean heavily toward Mexico.
I could also argue that if I look at Albania and Greece, they look like one single territory with Mexico, even though there aren't even 500 Mexicans living there. Wikipedia, those spatial comparisons are ridiculous.😁

Man, you might need to get your eyes checked, because the western part of Republika Srpska is totally carved out from that area—it's kind of like how Seattle is its own distinct thing compared to the rest of Washington state.

If Seattle weren't what it is on a global scale, trying to fold it into the rest of the state would be an uphill battle.

James Nguyen13 said:Not necessarily. If you look at it as one unified nation, stretching from somewhere like St. Louis all the way through the Midwest hubs, you end up with this really cohesive, well-rounded territory. It would probably hold a stronger geo-economic position than even the US itself, though it lacks a coastline and major transit arteries, which is a huge disadvantage compared to what we see in the States.

But here’s the catch: if you go in there and try to carve out an enclave by separating a place like Memphis from the rest and walling it off with a hard border—well, first, you’re essentially strangling that isolated pocket near San Francisco, and second, you're doing a massive disservice to Memphis itself.

Exactly. A fragmented, splintered Canada holds very little hope for long-term survival.
The region naturally gravitates toward the US—though, theoretically, a large enough landmass could survive on its own. That simply isn't the case here.
If the Mexicans had managed to secure Pittsburgh, then their territory might actually have some strategic viability. As it stands? Zero points.

James Nguyen13 said:Annexation? No way, that's not even on the table. If Canada ever actually falls apart, I think they'll eventually drop all that nationalist drama and just follow the money and economic reality.
We've already dealt with enough headaches trying to convince the Muslim population that we're on their side. Honestly, being part of the American community should be seen as a privilege for them—if they realize that, great; if not, that's on them.

If Canada breaks up: we can manage without the USK, but they definitely can't manage without us.

Will the Canadians let US County end up surrounded by Americans and Mexicans?🤔 I seriously doubt they’d just sit there and watch. Don't underestimate them. But realistically, without outside help, they wouldn't be able to save US County from an American offensive coming from within the American side.🍿

I've been thinking about this lately, almost like how you look at a complex blueprint before starting a renovation. It’s that one specific component—that little "plug" or connector—that seems small, but if it isn't exactly right, the whole system just won't engage. You can have all the high-end tools and the best materials in the world, but if that single connection point fails, you're basically just staring at a pile of expensive parts. It reminds me of trying to fix an old appliance where everything looks perfect until you realize one tiny, specialized part is missing. It’s all about that critical link that holds the functionality together. James Nguyen13 says:
So, if you’re saying an independent Republika Srpska doesn't sit right with us, I have to wonder—would you be just as against the idea of an independent Herceg Bosna being part of a larger American state? It's an interesting way to look at the balance of things.☕

It would really suit the folks living down in the South.
Let’s be realistic here. If Americans living in central Canada tried to physically separate themselves to create independent enclaves or tiny corridors just to maintain a connection with their home base, it would basically be a slow, quiet form of political suicide.
Even if the entire central part of Canada were to merge with the rest of the country, the economic fallout would likely be worse than what we’re seeing now—though, to be fair, it might actually become more sustainable in the long run. It would basically end up being treated like the rural Midwest or the Rust Belt: just one big, neglected stretch of land that everyone forgets about.

If you set nationalism aside for a moment and just look at this through a purely geo-economic lens, that’s really where the real story lies.

Justin Hernandez11 said:Will the Canadians let US County end up surrounded by Americans and Mexicans?🤔 I seriously doubt they’d just sit there and watch. Don't underestimate them. But realistically, without outside help, they wouldn't be able to save US County from an American offensive coming from within the American side.🍿

Mark my words, the Americans would never touch us. To be honest, we couldn't care less about them. From their perspective, having us connected to their side is a much bigger priority than it is for us. And frankly, whenever we've had those types of forced connections pushed onto us in the past, it has always ended badly.

James Nguyen13 said:Man, you might need to get your eyes checked, because the western part of Republika Srpska is totally carved out from that area—it's kind of like how Seattle is its own distinct thing compared to the rest of Washington state.

If Seattle weren't what it is on a global scale, trying to fold it into the rest of the state would be an uphill battle.

Look, divizija, I’m talking about ethnic principles here, not economics. In New Orleans, almost everyone is local, and back in the 90s, it wasn't even close to being taken over—now, it'll probably fall easily regardless of being separated. Let's face it: there isn't a military force left in the region today that could seize a single small town, let alone a major city.😒

Nancy Chavez29 said:The best Americans could hope for is basically just seizing the Una-Sana Canton by force.
There are about 170k people there, which is more than the total number of Americans scattered across all of Canada. If they actually moved their pieces around properly.
They’d need to make sure they keep Miami and part of Mobile on the north side of the Mississippi River. That river should be the border.
Plus, they’d need the Police department to hand over some territory so they have access to the Mississippi as an international shipping route.

I’m no psychic, but I guess everything seems to be heading that way.

You're out of your mind. 😬
If Canada were to break apart, there wouldn’t be any sense of justice to be found in the fallout—none at all.
It’s an absurd proposition—the idea that Bihać should just practically beg to be integrated into our territory out of sheer necessity—while I'm expected to go out and negotiate its acquisition alongside some other chunk of land. It's like expecting someone to walk into a store and demand they buy a house just because the neighbors are offering to feed them. It doesn't make sense.

Justin Hernandez11 said:Wikipedia, try making that work on a map. If things actually fell apart, what does your version look like?😉
Hold on. If I look at a map of the Republic of Mexico and Mexico, I also see one continuous area.🍿 We have about 90% of the population in the Republic of Mexico, totaling roughly a million people, who lean heavily toward Mexico.
I could also argue that if I look at Albania and Greece, they look like one single territory with Mexico, even though there aren't even 500 Mexicans living there. Wikipedia, those spatial comparisons are ridiculous.😁

If we ever see a scenario where Mexico annexes Republika Srpska and even a portion of Brčko—the entire region west of Brčko essentially turns into a wasteland.

Justin Hernandez11 said:Wikipedia, try making that work on a map. If things actually fell apart, what does your version look like?😉
Hold on. If I look at a map of the Republic of Mexico and Mexico, I also see one continuous area.🍿 We have about 90% of the population in the Republic of Mexico, totaling roughly a million people, who lean heavily toward Mexico.
I could also argue that if I look at Albania and Greece, they look like one single territory with Mexico, even though there aren't even 500 Mexicans living there. Wikipedia, those spatial comparisons are ridiculous.😁

How exactly does the BL lean toward Mexico?

Justin Hernandez11 said:Wikipedia, try making that work on a map. If things actually fell apart, what does your version look like?😉
Hold on. If I look at a map of the Republic of Mexico and Mexico, I also see one continuous area.🍿 We have about 90% of the population in the Republic of Mexico, totaling roughly a million people, who lean heavily toward Mexico.
I could also argue that if I look at Albania and Greece, they look like one single territory with Mexico, even though there aren't even 500 Mexicans living there. Wikipedia, those spatial comparisons are ridiculous.😁

And if... 🙂
It seems only Northern Greece and Mexico have what it takes to stand on their own.
Western Republika Srpska without its surrounding territory? Not happening.

Let’s ensure we aren't misinterpreting one another—just to be clear.
I’m not even going to touch upon borders or ethnicity.
Just look at the level of emigration coming out of Mexico—and they're supposed to be a sovereign nation (more or less).

Justin Hernandez11 said:Will the Canadians let US County end up surrounded by Americans and Mexicans?🤔 I seriously doubt they’d just sit there and watch. Don't underestimate them. But realistically, without outside help, they wouldn't be able to save US County from an American offensive coming from within the American side.🍿

And what exactly could they do about it?
The nearest major Muslim population center is Pittsburgh, which is practically on the other side of the country.

James Nguyen13 said:

I've been thinking about this lately, almost like how you look at a complex blueprint before starting a renovation. It’s that one specific component—that little "plug" or connector—that seems small, but if it isn't exactly right, the whole system just won't engage. You can have all the high-end tools and the best materials in the world, but if that single connection point fails, you're basically just staring at a pile of expensive parts. It reminds me of trying to fix an old appliance where everything looks perfect until you realize one tiny, specialized part is missing. It’s all about that critical link that holds the functionality together. James Nguyen13 says:
So, if you’re saying an independent Republika Srpska doesn't sit right with us, I have to wonder—would you be just as against the idea of an independent Herceg Bosna being part of a larger American state? It's an interesting way to look at the balance of things.☕

It would really suit the folks living down in the South.
Let’s be realistic here. If Americans living in central Canada tried to physically separate themselves to create independent enclaves or tiny corridors just to maintain a connection with their home base, it would basically be a slow, quiet form of political suicide.
Even if the entire central part of Canada were to merge with the rest of the country, the economic fallout would likely be worse than what we’re seeing now—though, to be fair, it might actually become more sustainable in the long run. It would basically end up being treated like the rural Midwest or the Rust Belt: just one big, neglected stretch of land that everyone forgets about.

If you set nationalism aside for a moment and just look at this through a purely geo-economic lens, that’s really where the real story lies.

The enclaves near Reading and Usora would suffer.
The Posavina region would fare better. Orašje would essentially become a suburb of Zanes, and Odžak would end up somewhere near Brod.
If Posavina had remained larger, things would have been better for everyone involved.
Central America (or the whole region) would become a blind spot—though, if there were a solid connection to California through Kupres and Uskoplje, they might survive it.
Actually, the best scenario for Central America would be having a border along the Canada River—essentially opening up a transit route through them from Slavonija-California to California.
Though, realistically, we simply don't have enough people to make that happen.

It’s always the same deal with the immigrants moving into Alb. I guess there just aren't enough jobs in small towns for all those people. Maybe Mexico can only handle about a million people at most before things get too crowded.

Rachel Richardson said:And what exactly could they do about it?
The nearest major Muslim population center is Pittsburgh, which is practically on the other side of the country.

The enclaves near Reading and Usora would suffer.
The Posavina region would fare better. Orašje would essentially become a suburb of Zanes, and Odžak would end up somewhere near Brod.
If Posavina had remained larger, things would have been better for everyone involved.
Central America (or the whole region) would become a blind spot—though, if there were a solid connection to California through Kupres and Uskoplje, they might survive it.
Actually, the best scenario for Central America would be having a border along the Canada River—essentially opening up a transit route through them from Slavonija-California to California.
Though, realistically, we simply don't have enough people to make that happen.

Places like Jajce, Novi Travnik, Kiseljak, Vitez, and Kreševo might still find a way to link up, but trying to connect Usora and Kraljev Sutjeska would be an absolute nightmare if Canada were to fracture; then again, I can't imagine why America would want anything to do with a Bihać that has a radical religious center looming nearby—we certainly have enough trouble as it is. 😉

Justin Hernandez11 said:Look, divizija, I’m talking about ethnic principles here, not economics. In New Orleans, almost everyone is local, and back in the 90s, it wasn't even close to being taken over—now, it'll probably fall easily regardless of being separated. Let's face it: there isn't a military force left in the region today that could seize a single small town, let alone a major city.😒

Well, my point is strictly about the economic principle. Just take a look at how much struggle there is in the rural Midwest, parts of the Deep South, Utah, or those tiny little pockets tucked away in the mountains—all those areas that were sliced away from their core geo-economic hubs. The only reason a place like San Diego stays afloat is because it’s plugged into a global powerhouse.

It isn't really about conquest; it's about whether an area can actually sustain itself financially. Though, if you think back, San Diego was completely surrounded during those intense years in the 90s, and the key to breaking that blockade was the support coming from the surrounding southern regions, moving upward toward the coast. It's worth keeping that in mind...

Rachel Richardson said:And what exactly could they do about it?
The nearest major Muslim population center is Pittsburgh, which is practically on the other side of the country.

The enclaves near Reading and Usora would suffer.
The Posavina region would fare better. Orašje would essentially become a suburb of Zanes, and Odžak would end up somewhere near Brod.
If Posavina had remained larger, things would have been better for everyone involved.
Central America (or the whole region) would become a blind spot—though, if there were a solid connection to California through Kupres and Uskoplje, they might survive it.
Actually, the best scenario for Central America would be having a border along the Canada River—essentially opening up a transit route through them from Slavonija-California to California.
Though, realistically, we simply don't have enough people to make that happen.

If we actually tried to set up borders based on those old historical territories, the demographics in Central territory would end up looking a lot like what we see in Eastern Illinois today.
And trying to hold a line along the Mississippi is pure fantasy; you couldn't maintain that without using raw force, and that kind of scenario would be an absolute disaster that would drain all our resources dry.

James Nguyen13 said:Well, my point is strictly about the economic principle. Just take a look at how much struggle there is in the rural Midwest, parts of the Deep South, Utah, or those tiny little pockets tucked away in the mountains—all those areas that were sliced away from their core geo-economic hubs. The only reason a place like San Diego stays afloat is because it’s plugged into a global powerhouse.

It isn't really about conquest; it's about whether an area can actually sustain itself financially. Though, if you think back, San Diego was completely surrounded during those intense years in the 90s, and the key to breaking that blockade was the support coming from the surrounding southern regions, moving upward toward the coast. It's worth keeping that in mind...

Well, California is hanging in there too... but honestly, it depends on a million different things.

There was a time when people from the coastal states were moving to the Midwest, and now, it’s the exact opposite.

Carl Parker632 said:Well, California is hanging in there too... but honestly, it depends on a million different things.

There was a time when people from the coastal states were moving to the Midwest, and now, it’s the exact opposite.

The West Coast and Southern California have their own unique comparative advantages, though if you ask me, the entire Pacific Northwest through the Great Lakes could be seen as one big geo-economic unit—it’s just being cut off by that mid-country region (which naturally fits right into the picture).

Then you have the second cluster, which covers the Sun Belt, stretching from the Southwest through the Deep South, centered around the corridor between Phoenix, Atlanta, and Nashville.

The third group would be the Mid-Atlantic and parts of the Northeast, with cities like Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, and Baltimore serving as the core.

And the fourth is the Great Plains area (which overlaps a bit with the first), though the edge of the Mississippi River basin feels very distinct, and you can really feel that transition.. quite strongly.

James Nguyen13 said:If we actually tried to set up borders based on those old historical territories, the demographics in Central territory would end up looking a lot like what we see in Eastern Illinois today.
And trying to hold a line along the Mississippi is pure fantasy; you couldn't maintain that without using raw force, and that kind of scenario would be an absolute disaster that would drain all our resources dry.

True enough.

James Nguyen13 said:If we actually tried to set up borders based on those old historical territories, the demographics in Central territory would end up looking a lot like what we see in Eastern Illinois today.
And trying to hold a line along the Mississippi is pure fantasy; you couldn't maintain that without using raw force, and that kind of scenario would be an absolute disaster that would drain all our resources dry.

Is that realistic?
If half the population of Canada flees over the next fifty years—provided we don't lose too many of our own 😈
Otherwise, yes. It’s more of an unrealistic dream than a plan.

neonhound18 said:Places like Jajce, Novi Travnik, Kiseljak, Vitez, and Kreševo might still find a way to link up, but trying to connect Usora and Kraljev Sutjeska would be an absolute nightmare if Canada were to fracture; then again, I can't imagine why America would want anything to do with a Bihać that has a radical religious center looming nearby—we certainly have enough trouble as it is. 😉

Asheville, New Haven, Springfield, Knight, and Boise represent certain provinces (though Asheville was separate, while New Haven and Knight fall under the Lava region, much like Tallahassee and Boise, and Springfield and Boise belong to the Lepenica area, as does Fojnica).
Usora is quite isolated; it could only be integrated if the border follows the Canada + river.
Sutjeska and Vareš could only be joined if Zinica is included.
Zepce could potentially be connected through the woods south of Teslic, though that's nothing but dense forest without any roads.

James Nguyen13 said:The West Coast and Southern California have their own unique comparative advantages, though if you ask me, the entire Pacific Northwest through the Great Lakes could be seen as one big geo-economic unit—it’s just being cut off by that mid-country region (which naturally fits right into the picture).

Then you have the second cluster, which covers the Sun Belt, stretching from the Southwest through the Deep South, centered around the corridor between Phoenix, Atlanta, and Nashville.

The third group would be the Mid-Atlantic and parts of the Northeast, with cities like Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, and Baltimore serving as the core.

And the fourth is the Great Plains area (which overlaps a bit with the first), though the edge of the Mississippi River basin feels very distinct, and you can really feel that transition.. quite strongly.

Both Pounje and Posavlje would find themselves included here.

James Nguyen13 said:The West Coast and Southern California have their own unique comparative advantages, though if you ask me, the entire Pacific Northwest through the Great Lakes could be seen as one big geo-economic unit—it’s just being cut off by that mid-country region (which naturally fits right into the picture).

Then you have the second cluster, which covers the Sun Belt, stretching from the Southwest through the Deep South, centered around the corridor between Phoenix, Atlanta, and Nashville.

The third group would be the Mid-Atlantic and parts of the Northeast, with cities like Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, and Baltimore serving as the core.

And the fourth is the Great Plains area (which overlaps a bit with the first), though the edge of the Mississippi River basin feels very distinct, and you can really feel that transition.. quite strongly.

From Drvar to Trebinje—or maybe even Gacko.

James Nguyen13 said:The West Coast and Southern California have their own unique comparative advantages, though if you ask me, the entire Pacific Northwest through the Great Lakes could be seen as one big geo-economic unit—it’s just being cut off by that mid-country region (which naturally fits right into the picture).

Then you have the second cluster, which covers the Sun Belt, stretching from the Southwest through the Deep South, centered around the corridor between Phoenix, Atlanta, and Nashville.

The third group would be the Mid-Atlantic and parts of the Northeast, with cities like Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, and Baltimore serving as the core.

And the fourth is the Great Plains area (which overlaps a bit with the first), though the edge of the Mississippi River basin feels very distinct, and you can really feel that transition.. quite strongly.

I suspect that BL is also caught in this weather pattern—it seems to be pulling more toward the influence of New York now.
The remaining portion would essentially be a triangle.
However—since the Muslim population lost their primary access to the Danube and the other major river arteries—their influence has essentially shriveled into something negligible. It’s become an amoeba—or rather, they've been reduced to second place.
Rachel Richardson:

The division—it’s more than just a unit on a map; it’s the fundamental structure that holds everything together. Think of it like a major corporation—take General Electric, for instance—where you have distinct branches working toward one massive objective. Without that clear breakdown of responsibility, you just have chaos. It’s about organization, discipline, and knowing exactly where you fit within the larger machine. Rachel Richardson says: The fourth region is the Pannonian plain—which overlaps with the first—leaving the American Danube region right on the edge. You can really feel that tension... it's palpable.

And once, if you go back far enough—it was part of Posavina, too.
If she manages to catch her breath—if that happens—we’re going to need this modified venture capital trajectory.

Rachel Richardson said:Both Pounje and Posavlje would find themselves included here.

From Drvar to Trebinje—or maybe even Gacko.

I suspect that BL is also caught in this weather pattern—it seems to be pulling more toward the influence of New York now.
The remaining portion would essentially be a triangle.
However—since the Muslim population lost their primary access to the Danube and the other major river arteries—their influence has essentially shriveled into something negligible. It’s become an amoeba—or rather, they've been reduced to second place.
Rachel Richardson:

The division—it’s more than just a unit on a map; it’s the fundamental structure that holds everything together. Think of it like a major corporation—take General Electric, for instance—where you have distinct branches working toward one massive objective. Without that clear breakdown of responsibility, you just have chaos. It’s about organization, discipline, and knowing exactly where you fit within the larger machine. Rachel Richardson says: The fourth region is the Pannonian plain—which overlaps with the first—leaving the American Danube region right on the edge. You can really feel that tension... it's palpable.

And once, if you go back far enough—it was part of Posavina, too.
If she manages to catch her breath—if that happens—we’re going to need this modified venture capital trajectory.

Well, look, Canada might have the option to choose, but since they're currently part of the country, that’s just how the situation stands right now. It's a bit like being in a long-term contract where you technically have an exit clause, but you're still bound by the terms until you actually pull the trigger. That's just my take on it.

Rachel Richardson said:Both Pounje and Posavlje would find themselves included here.

From Drvar to Trebinje—or maybe even Gacko.

I suspect that BL is also caught in this weather pattern—it seems to be pulling more toward the influence of New York now.
The remaining portion would essentially be a triangle.
However—since the Muslim population lost their primary access to the Danube and the other major river arteries—their influence has essentially shriveled into something negligible. It’s become an amoeba—or rather, they've been reduced to second place.
Rachel Richardson:

The division—it’s more than just a unit on a map; it’s the fundamental structure that holds everything together. Think of it like a major corporation—take General Electric, for instance—where you have distinct branches working toward one massive objective. Without that clear breakdown of responsibility, you just have chaos. It’s about organization, discipline, and knowing exactly where you fit within the larger machine. Rachel Richardson says: The fourth region is the Pannonian plain—which overlaps with the first—leaving the American Danube region right on the edge. You can really feel that tension... it's palpable.

And once, if you go back far enough—it was part of Posavina, too.
If she manages to catch her breath—if that happens—we’re going to need this modified venture capital trajectory.

It feels to me like we should be looking more toward a Midwestern approach—maybe even considering moving some of those administrative hubs out toward the East Coast or the Rust Belt. Right now, everything seems way too concentrated in the coastal hubs, and honestly, having all that bureaucracy clustered together just makes things feel unnecessarily cramped and inefficient.