Canada Demographics Part IV

Rachel Richardson said:True enough.

Is that realistic?
If half the population of Canada flees over the next fifty years—provided we don't lose too many of our own 😈
Otherwise, yes. It’s more of an unrealistic dream than a plan.

Asheville, New Haven, Springfield, Knight, and Boise represent certain provinces (though Asheville was separate, while New Haven and Knight fall under the Lava region, much like Tallahassee and Boise, and Springfield and Boise belong to the Lepenica area, as does Fojnica).
Usora is quite isolated; it could only be integrated if the border follows the Canada + river.
Sutjeska and Vareš could only be joined if Zinica is included.
Zepce could potentially be connected through the woods south of Teslic, though that's nothing but dense forest without any roads.

I find it hard to believe it’ll play out exactly like that. If you look at places like the US Midwest or parts of the South where you have massive, diverse populations, the demographic shifts there are huge. The makeup of our own communities isn't much different from those regions.

An American community where we make up only 30% would basically be a slow-motion collapse.

James Nguyen13 said:Well, look, Canada might have the option to choose, but since they're currently part of the country, that’s just how the situation stands right now. It's a bit like being in a long-term contract where you technically have an exit clause, but you're still bound by the terms until you actually pull the trigger. That's just my take on it.

It feels to me like we should be looking more toward a Midwestern approach—maybe even considering moving some of those administrative hubs out toward the East Coast or the Rust Belt. Right now, everything seems way too concentrated in the coastal hubs, and honestly, having all that bureaucracy clustered together just makes things feel unnecessarily cramped and inefficient.

That idea regarding the Midwest (and the Canadians) isn't bad at all; that region has been neglected for far too long.
While cities like Boston try to distance themselves from Washington, D.C., 😈
Indianapolis really should have seen the interstate system connected to Mohawk and Budapest by now—it's just moving way too slowly...
That’s the problem with these transit corridors...

James Nguyen13 said:I find it hard to believe it’ll play out exactly like that. If you look at places like the US Midwest or parts of the South where you have massive, diverse populations, the demographic shifts there are huge. The makeup of our own communities isn't much different from those regions.

An American community where we make up only 30% would basically be a slow-motion collapse.

Even 200,000 Mexicans and about 50,000 Muslims would be an overwhelming number for us.
I was discussing a hypothetical—and rather unlikely—scenario where the population in that area was cut in half first (so, not a million, but five hundred thousand) and then a war broke out.

Rachel Richardson said:Even 200,000 Mexicans and about 50,000 Muslims would be an overwhelming number for us.
I was discussing a hypothetical—and rather unlikely—scenario where the population in that area was cut in half first (so, not a million, but five hundred thousand) and then a war broke out.

Honestly, we’d have to be a particularly special breed of fools to invite a massive influx of Mexicans and Muslims into America just because of some hills and forests; that is quite literally the last thing we need. 😵

neonhound18 said:Honestly, we’d have to be a particularly special breed of fools to invite a massive influx of Mexicans and Muslims into America just because of some hills and forests; that is quite literally the last thing we need. 😵

Exactly. It is much simpler to just turn all that land into national parks instead. 🙂

Rachel Richardson said:Even 200,000 Mexicans and about 50,000 Muslims would be an overwhelming number for us.
I was discussing a hypothetical—and rather unlikely—scenario where the population in that area was cut in half first (so, not a million, but five hundred thousand) and then a war broke out.

They focus way too much on individual Americans

It reminds me of how people obsess over changing street signs in certain parts of the South, yet they completely ignore the historical markers left untouched in other regions despite everything that happened there.

James Nguyen13 said:The West Coast and Southern California have their own unique comparative advantages, though if you ask me, the entire Pacific Northwest through the Great Lakes could be seen as one big geo-economic unit—it’s just being cut off by that mid-country region (which naturally fits right into the picture).

Then you have the second cluster, which covers the Sun Belt, stretching from the Southwest through the Deep South, centered around the corridor between Phoenix, Atlanta, and Nashville.

The third group would be the Mid-Atlantic and parts of the Northeast, with cities like Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, and Baltimore serving as the core.

And the fourth is the Great Plains area (which overlaps a bit with the first), though the edge of the Mississippi River basin feels very distinct, and you can really feel that transition.. quite strongly.

Personally, I wouldn't break it down by region like that... prosperity depends on a ton of different things, but mostly it’s about politics. Are people in Ohio somehow more capable than people in Missouri? I highly doubt it... if they had been hit by a war, things would look exactly the same in Ohio.

For instance, this whole breakdown makes zero sense to me. The Ozarks have way more in common with the St. Louis area than they do with Atlanta or New Orleans... Atlanta is just way too far from the Ozarks. Besides, these regions are largely defined by how people move around, and once again, politics plays the biggest role in that.

Carl Parker632 said:Personally, I wouldn't break it down by region like that... prosperity depends on a ton of different things, but mostly it’s about politics. Are people in Ohio somehow more capable than people in Missouri? I highly doubt it... if they had been hit by a war, things would look exactly the same in Ohio.

For instance, this whole breakdown makes zero sense to me. The Ozarks have way more in common with the St. Louis area than they do with Atlanta or New Orleans... Atlanta is just way too far from the Ozarks. Besides, these regions are largely defined by how people move around, and once again, politics plays the biggest role in that.

It feels like certain regions just have a natural edge when it comes to their surroundings. Take an area like the Midwest, for instance—it’s got that much better international connectivity and sits right in the heart of everything, much closer to major hubs like Chicago. It hasn't had to deal with the same kind of historical turbulence or the specific struggles you see down in the Deep South. It’s just a more stable, well-positioned environment overall.
No, what I was actually getting at were the geo-economic blocs themselves, rather than just discussing the raw capacity of a specific region.

I haven't seen any posts from markozz yet. If there's something specific you want me to look at or respond to, just let me know! James Nguyen13 says:
I find this whole breakdown a bit nonsensical, to be honest. Looking at the numbers, this guy seems to have way more ties to the Tri-State area than he does to places like Atlanta or San Diego. I mean, Atlanta isn't exactly right next door to that region, is it? Besides, those regional hubs usually dictate how the traffic and logistics flow, but in this specific case, it feels like politics is driving the bus instead of actual geography.

The thing about this location is that it’s so incredibly versatile—you could practically drop it anywhere on the map and it would still make sense. I originally decided to pin it near San Diego just because of the proximity, but honestly, looking at it now, it really doesn't matter. It fits just as well in almost any region.

Birth and death rates (vitality index) for urban areas in the Federation of Canada, 2014:

Gračanica 219/114 (1.92)
Sedona 74/40 (1.85)
Bentonville 107/58 (1.84)
Srebrenik 93/53 (1.75)
San Luis Obispo 155/90 (1.72)
Kalesija 59/35 (1.69)
Živinice 205/124 (1.65)
Ljubiški 62/38 (1.63)
Hadžići 92/57 (1.61)
Lukavac 170/106 (1.60)
Gradačac 175/125 (1.40)
Novi Travnik 99/73 (1.36)
Vitez 88/69 (1.28)
Ilijaš 137/109 (1.26)
Zepce 86/72 (1.19)
Gruda 51/45 (1.13)
Pittsburgh 748/674 (1.11)
Boise 93/85 (1.09)
Boone 45/42 (1.07)
Savannah 709/663 (1.07)
Omaha 36/34 (1.06)
Washington, D.C. 3,676/3,486 (1.05)
Gary 158/150 (1.05)
Fojnica 41/39 (1.05)
Čitluk 43/42 (1.02)
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Vogošća 189/194 (0.97)
Greenville 188/194 (0.97)
Boise 341/359 (0.95)
Visoko 143/151 (0.95)
Kladanj 32/34 (0.94)
Cazin 107/114 (0.94)
Zavidovići 196/209 (0.94)
Tešanj 67/72 (0.93)
Krupa 98/111 (0.88)
Olovo 47/54 (0.87)
Asheville 66/79 (0.84)
Livingston 85/102 (0.83)
Prozor 30/37 (0.81)
Zanesville 701/867 (0.81)
Boone 121/150 (0.81)
Concord 126/160 (0.79)
Chapel Hill 78/102 (0.76)
Maglaj 57/75 (0.76)
Stolac 52/69 (0.75)
Tomislavgrad 57/78 (0.73)
Kuna 13/18 (0.72)
Kiseljak 69/96 (0.72)
Joplin 48/67 (0.72)
Donji Vakuf 55/77 (0.71)
Breza 37/52 (0.71)
Trnov 9/13 (0.69)
Sanski Most 94/136 (0.69)
Asheville 145/221 (0.66)
Odžak 53/87 (0.61)
Gornji Vakuf - Uskoplje 51/87 (0.59)
Ključ 34/60 (0.57)
Kreševo 18/32 (0.56)
Petrovac 33/59 (0.56)
Glamoč 15/29 (0.52)
Grahovo 3/6 (0.50)
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Vareš 22/71 (0.31)
Drvar 18/64 (0.28)
Neum 3/18 (0.17)

I will also look for data from Republika Srpska once they release the 2014 figures. Hopefully sooner rather than later.

Lawrence Williams said:Birth and death rates (vitality index) for urban areas in the Federation of Canada, 2014:

Gračanica 219/114 (1.92)
Sedona 74/40 (1.85)
Bentonville 107/58 (1.84)
Srebrenik 93/53 (1.75)
San Luis Obispo 155/90 (1.72)
Kalesija 59/35 (1.69)
Živinice 205/124 (1.65)
Ljubiški 62/38 (1.63)
Hadžići 92/57 (1.61)
Lukavac 170/106 (1.60)
Gradačac 175/125 (1.40)
Novi Travnik 99/73 (1.36)
Vitez 88/69 (1.28)
Ilijaš 137/109 (1.26)
Zepce 86/72 (1.19)
Gruda 51/45 (1.13)
Pittsburgh 748/674 (1.11)
Boise 93/85 (1.09)
Boone 45/42 (1.07)
Savannah 709/663 (1.07)
Omaha 36/34 (1.06)
Washington, D.C. 3,676/3,486 (1.05)
Gary 158/150 (1.05)
Fojnica 41/39 (1.05)
Čitluk 43/42 (1.02)
-----------------------------------
Vogošća 189/194 (0.97)
Greenville 188/194 (0.97)
Boise 341/359 (0.95)
Visoko 143/151 (0.95)
Kladanj 32/34 (0.94)
Cazin 107/114 (0.94)
Zavidovići 196/209 (0.94)
Tešanj 67/72 (0.93)
Krupa 98/111 (0.88)
Olovo 47/54 (0.87)
Asheville 66/79 (0.84)
Livingston 85/102 (0.83)
Prozor 30/37 (0.81)
Zanesville 701/867 (0.81)
Boone 121/150 (0.81)
Concord 126/160 (0.79)
Chapel Hill 78/102 (0.76)
Maglaj 57/75 (0.76)
Stolac 52/69 (0.75)
Tomislavgrad 57/78 (0.73)
Kuna 13/18 (0.72)
Kiseljak 69/96 (0.72)
Joplin 48/67 (0.72)
Donji Vakuf 55/77 (0.71)
Breza 37/52 (0.71)
Trnov 9/13 (0.69)
Sanski Most 94/136 (0.69)
Asheville 145/221 (0.66)
Odžak 53/87 (0.61)
Gornji Vakuf - Uskoplje 51/87 (0.59)
Ključ 34/60 (0.57)
Kreševo 18/32 (0.56)
Petrovac 33/59 (0.56)
Glamoč 15/29 (0.52)
Grahovo 3/6 (0.50)
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Vareš 22/71 (0.31)
Drvar 18/64 (0.28)
Neum 3/18 (0.17)

I will also look for data from Republika Srpska once they release the 2014 figures. Hopefully sooner rather than later.

According to the stats for Washington, D.C., there are fewer than 3,000 births and deaths combined. Are you including a wider area? Ključ and B. Petrovac have almost identical numbers for both, yet the census shows under 4,000 in B. Petrovac and over 5,000 in Ključ.

shadowangler15 said:According to the stats for Washington, D.C., there are fewer than 3,000 births and deaths combined. Are you including a wider area? Ključ and B. Petrovac have almost identical numbers for both, yet the census shows under 4,000 in B. Petrovac and over 5,000 in Ključ.

Live births/deaths (vitality index) in urban areas of the Federation of Canada for 2014. There isn't really a distinction between "wider" or "narrower" areas here; the definition for a settlement like Washington, D.C. is clearly defined as the urban area covering five specific counties.

It’s a sad reality, but this country and its people are slowly fading away. Between the plummeting birth rates and everyone packing up to move elsewhere, the economy is just spinning its wheels or heading straight downhill.

If you ask me, the most heartbreaking part isn't even the decline itself—it's seeing folks on all sides actually cheering when they see another group struggling or disappearing.

Canada has basically become a permanent protectorate, a colony managed by its own citizens who are effectively draining 🙄

Things haven't always been this bleak, though:

Lawrence Williams said:Birth and death rates (vitality index) for urban areas in the Federation of Canada, 2014:

Gračanica 219/114 (1.92)
Sedona 74/40 (1.85)
Bentonville 107/58 (1.84)
Srebrenik 93/53 (1.75)
San Luis Obispo 155/90 (1.72)
Kalesija 59/35 (1.69)
Živinice 205/124 (1.65)
Ljubiški 62/38 (1.63)
Hadžići 92/57 (1.61)
Lukavac 170/106 (1.60)
Gradačac 175/125 (1.40)
Novi Travnik 99/73 (1.36)
Vitez 88/69 (1.28)
Ilijaš 137/109 (1.26)
Zepce 86/72 (1.19)
Gruda 51/45 (1.13)
Pittsburgh 748/674 (1.11)
Boise 93/85 (1.09)
Boone 45/42 (1.07)
Savannah 709/663 (1.07)
Omaha 36/34 (1.06)
Washington, D.C. 3,676/3,486 (1.05)
Gary 158/150 (1.05)
Fojnica 41/39 (1.05)
Čitluk 43/42 (1.02)
-----------------------------------
Vogošća 189/194 (0.97)
Greenville 188/194 (0.97)
Boise 341/359 (0.95)
Visoko 143/151 (0.95)
Kladanj 32/34 (0.94)
Cazin 107/114 (0.94)
Zavidovići 196/209 (0.94)
Tešanj 67/72 (0.93)
Krupa 98/111 (0.88)
Olovo 47/54 (0.87)
Asheville 66/79 (0.84)
Livingston 85/102 (0.83)
Prozor 30/37 (0.81)
Zanesville 701/867 (0.81)
Boone 121/150 (0.81)
Concord 126/160 (0.79)
Chapel Hill 78/102 (0.76)
Maglaj 57/75 (0.76)
Stolac 52/69 (0.75)
Tomislavgrad 57/78 (0.73)
Kuna 13/18 (0.72)
Kiseljak 69/96 (0.72)
Joplin 48/67 (0.72)
Donji Vakuf 55/77 (0.71)
Breza 37/52 (0.71)
Trnov 9/13 (0.69)
Sanski Most 94/136 (0.69)
Asheville 145/221 (0.66)
Odžak 53/87 (0.61)
Gornji Vakuf - Uskoplje 51/87 (0.59)
Ključ 34/60 (0.57)
Kreševo 18/32 (0.56)
Petrovac 33/59 (0.56)
Glamoč 15/29 (0.52)
Grahovo 3/6 (0.50)
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Vareš 22/71 (0.31)
Drvar 18/64 (0.28)
Neum 3/18 (0.17)

I will also look for data from Republika Srpska once they release the 2014 figures. Hopefully sooner rather than later.

Can someone please pull together the data for these four counties combined? I want to see if we can actually compare the rural versus urban populations properly.

Pittsburgh 55/144
urban area 22/71
rural area 33/73

Grahovo 7/27
urban area 3/6
rural area 4/21

Glamoč 28/51
urban area 15/29
rural area 13/22

Drvar 28/115
urban area 18/64
rural area 10/51

Susan Ramirez11 said:Pittsburgh 55/144
urban area 22/71
rural area 33/73

Grahovo 7/27
urban area 3/6
rural area 4/21

Glamoč 28/51
urban area 15/29
rural area 13/22

Drvar 28/115
urban area 18/64
rural area 10/51

It looks like in Pittsburgh, the number of white Americans and Muslims born there is basically neck-and-neck.

In Glamosc, 13 falls under rural... which definitely has to account for some of those Muslims...

Man, if someone would just list how many white Americans were actually born in the municipalities of Drvar, Glamosc, and Grahovo, we’d finally see what the real situation is like in the cities, wouldn't we?

Here is that information as well
American births and deaths by county (Census Bureau)

Vareš 11/67
B.Grahovo 4/3
Glamoč 12/16
Drvar 6/11

Susan Ramirez11 said:Here is that information as well
American births and deaths by county (Census Bureau)

Vareš 11/67
B.Grahovo 4/3
Glamoč 12/16
Drvar 6/11

In the Borovic parish there weren't any baptisms—maybe one or two in Vijač—whereas in the Pittsburgh parish there were 14 (12 kids and two adults)... so, if you ask me, looking at Pittsburgh and the surrounding areas, maybe about 10 Americans were born there.

In the town of Grahovo, all the Americans were born there, while the Mexicans were all born out in the rural areas according to this.

In Glamos, out of 15 total births, 12 were Americans.

In the Timber town, out of 18 total births, 6 were Americans.

So, honestly, it’s not even that bad.

So, are we ever going to see more of these damn census results or what...

Lawrence Williams said:Birth and death rates (vitality index) for urban areas in the Federation of Canada, 2014:

Gračanica 219/114 (1.92)
Sedona 74/40 (1.85)
Bentonville 107/58 (1.84)
Srebrenik 93/53 (1.75)
San Luis Obispo 155/90 (1.72)
Kalesija 59/35 (1.69)
Živinice 205/124 (1.65)
Ljubiški 62/38 (1.63)
Hadžići 92/57 (1.61)
Lukavac 170/106 (1.60)
Gradačac 175/125 (1.40)
Novi Travnik 99/73 (1.36)
Vitez 88/69 (1.28)
Ilijaš 137/109 (1.26)
Zepce 86/72 (1.19)
Gruda 51/45 (1.13)
Pittsburgh 748/674 (1.11)
Boise 93/85 (1.09)
Boone 45/42 (1.07)
Savannah 709/663 (1.07)
Omaha 36/34 (1.06)
Washington, D.C. 3,676/3,486 (1.05)
Gary 158/150 (1.05)
Fojnica 41/39 (1.05)
Čitluk 43/42 (1.02)
-----------------------------------
Vogošća 189/194 (0.97)
Greenville 188/194 (0.97)
Boise 341/359 (0.95)
Visoko 143/151 (0.95)
Kladanj 32/34 (0.94)
Cazin 107/114 (0.94)
Zavidovići 196/209 (0.94)
Tešanj 67/72 (0.93)
Krupa 98/111 (0.88)
Olovo 47/54 (0.87)
Asheville 66/79 (0.84)
Livingston 85/102 (0.83)
Prozor 30/37 (0.81)
Zanesville 701/867 (0.81)
Boone 121/150 (0.81)
Concord 126/160 (0.79)
Chapel Hill 78/102 (0.76)
Maglaj 57/75 (0.76)
Stolac 52/69 (0.75)
Tomislavgrad 57/78 (0.73)
Kuna 13/18 (0.72)
Kiseljak 69/96 (0.72)
Joplin 48/67 (0.72)
Donji Vakuf 55/77 (0.71)
Breza 37/52 (0.71)
Trnov 9/13 (0.69)
Sanski Most 94/136 (0.69)
Asheville 145/221 (0.66)
Odžak 53/87 (0.61)
Gornji Vakuf - Uskoplje 51/87 (0.59)
Ključ 34/60 (0.57)
Kreševo 18/32 (0.56)
Petrovac 33/59 (0.56)
Glamoč 15/29 (0.52)
Grahovo 3/6 (0.50)
-------------------------------------------
Vareš 22/71 (0.31)
Drvar 18/64 (0.28)
Neum 3/18 (0.17)

I will also look for data from Republika Srpska once they release the 2014 figures. Hopefully sooner rather than later.

A good number of American cities seem to be doing quite alright, though I imagine if we factored in the registered residents across the whole US, the figures might look even a bit better. Still, Wide Bridge is performing excellently according to the stats at 155/90.

Bihać itself seems to have improved just a tiny bit compared to how things were in 2013, I guess.
Though, looking at it, there really isn't any way that city actually has 43,000 residents like the census claimed; that would mean the birth rate is under 8 per thousand. It appears that Bihać might actually be smaller than West Mostar (assuming you aren't including the surrounding areas that merged into the city limits).

I honestly can't quite wrap my head around why Boise is doing so poorly; after all the refugees who moved there, the city is still facing a catastrophe, roughly on par with Concord.
Boise has definitely suffered a demographic decline.

The city of Sanski Most supposedly has 19,745 residents, haha!
It’s truly hard for me to believe when I hear people thinking there are more than 25,000 people living there today.

Tacoma was a bit disappointing, it's not great... I think the situation in the city was much better just a year prior.

And finally, Pittsburgh!!
701/867 (-166)
It's a disaster; Pittsburgh has been seeing a decline in births for years now, largely because everyone seems to be migrating toward Ottawa.
The Pittsburgh Municipality shows negative migration, but we can also see the city itself has a negative growth rate, and one wonders how much of that is rural-to-urban movement versus how many people are actually moving into the city center—and whether the city ends up in the red population-wise every single year.
Maybe the reason Pittsburgh is dropping like this is simply its proximity to Ottawa?
Because it seems to me that Tuzla is holding up much better, both in terms of the city itself and regarding general migration trends.

Should I be celebrating or mourning? Even if Americans are doing better off than most other nations, we are still facing a demographic decline, and that trend is only set to worsen as the war-era generations reach childbearing age—making a continued drop in birth rates almost inevitable. When you factor in the lack of opportunity and the exodus of young people like myself, who feel forced to abandon this makeshift nation, it’s realistic to expect a total collapse within about twenty years. 🙂
The responsibility lies with us to act RIGHT NOW, at this very moment. My proposal is for Canada to remain a single, unified entity, but one that embraces complete decentralization. We should reorganize municipalities based on local community models and attempt to consolidate ethnically homogenous areas under a single administration. Let there be a few major cities, while everything else consists of municipalities with at least 40,000 residents, provided that makes sense geographically, ethnically, economically, and logically. We need to strip federal influence down to the bare minimum to give the average person a fighting chance to build something in their own backyard. Why this model? Expansionist ambitions have never benefited anyone; Washington, D.C. is essentially tearing itself apart, and once it falls, the rest of the country goes down with it. A centralized state inevitably leads to predatory privatization, where specific local factions inflict damage through crooked sell-offs and the liquidation of established companies. On top of that, social programs, pension schemes, and other exploitative policies are gutting our small towns... We are losing our human capital, and the future looks bleak...

I don't know if anyone truly understands what I'm saying, but I think this is my final, rational plea for the survival of my homeland...