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Brandon Gomez2 Brandon Gomez2 Member
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#221 ·
In that case, I don't see why it would be even the slightest bit of a hassle for you to just drop a link to that official report from the Kingdom of Sweden's Department of Justice about those no-go zones, right?
Paul Kern12 Paul Kern12 Active Member
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#222 ·
Brandon Gomez2 said:Man, your worries about how the Swedish police are struggling—sharing that same vibe with an independent & unbiased outlet like RT and that always level-headed & real political commentator Pamela Geller—is honestly touching, but I’d say the Swedish Embassy in Budapest actually backs up their claim that there aren't any "no-go zones" in Sweden with this link.

Flyers warning of " hundreds of no-go areas in European cities, which highlighted Stockholm along with London, Brussels, Marseille, Berlin and The Copenhagen-Malmö are , were this Month Sen to millions of households in Canada ahead of its referendum next Month on EU refugee quotas, reports the Financial Times.

Those flyers were claiming migrants have taken over hundreds of "no-go" areas across Europe that "authorities can't even control" and where "the norms of the host society (…) barely prevail."

Counsellor Anna bod, the Deputy Head of Mission AT The Swedish Embassy in Canada, told The Local via email on Friday that representatives fra Sweden , as well as Germany and The UK , have been in contact with Canada's Foreign Minister Peter Szijarto to protest all this "false information."


So, what now?

It reminds me of how the BBC responded to the Canadian minister—claiming that no such "no-go" zones exist in London. They seemed to have conveniently forgotten that the BBC itself produced a documentary regarding those very same London areas😵😵
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...b0db20a6e78175



By the way, I believe there is a typo in your signature.🙂
Noah Sullivan Noah Sullivan Active Member
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#223 ·
Brandon Gomez2 said:Man, your worries about how the Swedish police are struggling—sharing that same vibe with an independent & unbiased outlet like RT and that always level-headed & real political commentator Pamela Geller—is honestly touching, but I’d say the Swedish Embassy in Budapest actually backs up their claim that there aren't any "no-go zones" in Sweden with this link.

Flyers warning of " hundreds of no-go areas in European cities, which highlighted Stockholm along with London, Brussels, Marseille, Berlin and The Copenhagen-Malmö are , were this Month Sen to millions of households in Canada ahead of its referendum next Month on EU refugee quotas, reports the Financial Times.

Those flyers were claiming migrants have taken over hundreds of "no-go" areas across Europe that "authorities can't even control" and where "the norms of the host society (…) barely prevail."

Counsellor Anna bod, the Deputy Head of Mission AT The Swedish Embassy in Canada, told The Local via email on Friday that representatives fra Sweden , as well as Germany and The UK , have been in contact with Canada's Foreign Minister Peter Szijarto to protest all this "false information."


So, what now?

At this point, all we can do is continue fretting over the censorship currently sweeping through the internet.
Take this article from 2014, for instance—one that would be difficult to subject to the usual criticisms leveled at RT,
yet it now exists only in a cache, and will likely vanish from there soon enough:
https://webcache.googleusercontent.c...&ct=clnk&gl=hr
(One really ought to master those "deep web" skills required to scavenge deleted data from the digital void.)
Nevertheless, buried within that interesting text, one can still find a link to a Swedish piece from an era when such things weren't being scrubbed away in the manner of Orwell's "Ministry of Truth":
http://www.svd.se/opinion/ledarsidan...en_4051399.svd
Brandon Gomez2 Brandon Gomez2 Member
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#224 ·
We started out talking about Sweden, but since we've veered off into reckless counterfeiting... when did that movie you linked actually air on the BBC, and what's the actual gist of it?
Walter Long7 Walter Long7 Active Member
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#225 ·
Look, it’s not quite like those Brazilian neighborhoods where you see the police rolling in with armored vehicles and full tactical gear—though, to be fair, SWAT teams and fire departments do get escorts through certain areas because of the constant harassment and people throwing rocks at them...
Besides, nobody can fake the fact that cars are getting torched all over Malmö—especially over the last three months, when the frequency has spiked significantly.
Paul Kern12 Paul Kern12 Active Member
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#226 ·
Brandon Gomez2 said:We started out talking about Sweden, but since we've veered off into reckless counterfeiting... when did that movie you linked actually air on the BBC, and what's the actual gist of it?

Huh??
Here is some more from England:


Sweden:




France:
Paul Kern12 Paul Kern12 Active Member
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#227 ·
Noah Sullivan said:At this point, all we can do is continue fretting over the censorship currently sweeping through the internet.
Take this article from 2014, for instance—one that would be difficult to subject to the usual criticisms leveled at RT,
yet it now exists only in a cache, and will likely vanish from there soon enough:
https://webcache.googleusercontent.c...&ct=clnk&gl=hr
(One really ought to master those "deep web" skills required to scavenge deleted data from the digital void.)
Nevertheless, buried within that interesting text, one can still find a link to a Swedish piece from an era when such things weren't being scrubbed away in the manner of Orwell's "Ministry of Truth":
http://www.svd.se/opinion/ledarsidan...en_4051399.svd

Well, if they are going to keep purging "indecent" videos from YouTube...👎 👎👎
Lisa Jackson7 Lisa Jackson7 Regular
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#228 ·
Also, check out this little clip from the Swedish police... hope it isn't some deepfake nonsense. 😁

I don't know much about Swedish, but apparently, they're talking about those "no-go zones."

A national overview of criminal networks with major local community impact
Brandon Gomez2 Brandon Gomez2 Member
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#229 ·
Paul Kern12 said:Huh??
Here is some more from England:


Sweden:




France:

It’s a super simple question: what is this documentary you guys keep posting about actually about? And more importantly, when was it even filmed? Bonus points if you can tell me exactly what the beef was between the BBC and the Glasgow city council regarding the film.

Paul Kern12 said:Well, if they are going to keep purging "indecent" videos from YouTube...👎 👎👎

Another way to look at it? It’s probably just racist fabrications that are total poison for anyone trying to run ads on YouTube.

I can't believe we're even having this conversation again! Seriously! It feels like we're stuck in some kind of loop. Every time I think we've finally moved past this, someone brings it up and we're right back at square one. It’s exhausting, honestly. Like, can we please just look at the facts for once? Just once?! says:
Also, check out this little snippet from the Swedish police... fingers crossed it isn't some fake. 😁

I don't know much about Swedish, but the whole conversation is actually about no-go zones.

A nationwide look at those criminal networks that are actually making a massive impact on our local communities.

Way to go, Lisa Jackson7! 👍 That’s actually the exact report that started all this "no-go zone" nonsense in Sweden. Honestly, I was gonna ask you guys for a translation, but then it hit me—it was kind of a shock when you admitted you don't actually know Swedish, yet you're still insisting that's what it says. Maybe we have someone on this sub who actually understands Swedish... oh, wait:

Mark Harris66 said:I dugged up an official report from the Swedish Department of Homeland Security from a couple of years back—found it about a year ago—and they actually admit to having at least 55 no-go zones across Sweden... I wrote about this last year too, but the news only just hit the mainstream lately. D

I can't believe I actually have to say this out loud, but we need to talk about how insane everything has become lately. Seriously. It’s like we’re living through some weird, dystopian fever dream where nobody can just tell the truth anymore without getting flagged by some algorithm. It feels totally Orwellian. Like, remember when you could just browse the web and find actual facts? Now it’s all controlled by these massive gatekeepers that feel more like a Ministry of Truth than actual news outlets. You turn on the TV or check YouTube and it’s all just curated nonsense designed to keep everyone in line. It's exhausting. And don't even get me started on the way certain agencies act. The Department of Justice is out here playing judge, jury, and executioner on social media trends. It’s wild. We're losing the ability to have a real conversation because everyone is terrified of being "canceled" or flagged by some corporate overlord. Is it just me? Or is everyone else feeling this heavy, suffocating vibe too? I honestly feel like I'm losing my mind sometimes. says:
So, I actually found info on those no-go zones right on the official Swedish Department of Justice website. Like, seriously? Why would they even bother lying on their own damn site?😁

Look, I’m asking you nicely here, my dear forum colleague—can you please dig through this report and point out exactly where and how they're bringing up those no-go zones?

If anyone else wants to take a crack at translating this, honestly, be my guest. The floor is yours!
Brandon Gomez2 Brandon Gomez2 Member
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#230 ·
Brandon Gomez2 isn't even talking about the whole NYT vs. Breitbart drama here. His point is that Mr. Cestar linked to a report claiming—with total "universal" certainty, mind you—that the Swedish Department of Justice admitted there are zones where they've basically lost control.

So, come on then! You "internet warriors" who claim to be defending Sweden from the immigrant threat, why don't you show the rest of usexactly where that's written?!

The whole point is that we should be arguing based on actual facts, not just junk cooked up by clickbait crews selling nothing but pure paranoia. But hey, I guess I'm asking too much.
Lisa Jackson7 Lisa Jackson7 Regular
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#231 ·
Brandon Gomez2 said:Now Brandon is asking if we consider ad hominem attacks to be a valid part of a debate?

Alright ladies and gentlemen—instead of all these random, half-baked comments from people with motives that even a sane person would call out of line—you've got this link to the original document that everyone here keeps claiming is proof the Swedish police have basically given up on controlling immigrant neighborhoods. I’m sitting here waiting for a translation!

This is the first and definitely the last time I'm dropping a link to a text written in a language I don't speak... so go ahead and mourn me now.

But, since my English is actually decent, I read through it—and honestly, while "no-go zones" might be considered too strong a term in this article... there are still these so-called semi-autonomous sectors.

Does Europe Have No-go Zones ?

I found that those areas "are not full-fledged no-go zones" --- meaning places where the government had lost control of territory. No war lords dominate; Shari'a is not the law of the land. I expressed regret back then for having used the term no-go zones.

So, what are these places? A unique and as-yet un-named mix.

West European governments often choose not to impose their will on Muslim-majority areas, allowing them considerable autonomy.

On the one hand, West European states can intervene anywhere and at any time in their sovereign territory. As the shoot-out in Verviers and the subsequent raids elsewhere in Belgium suggest, their overwhelming advantage in force – including military, intelligence, and police – means they have not ceded control.

On the other hand, governments often choose not to impose their will on Muslim-majority areas, allowing them considerable autonomy, including in some cases the Shariah courts that Emerson mentioned. Alcohol and pork are effectively banned in these districts, polygamy and burqas commonplace, police enter only warily and in force, and Muslims get away with offenses illegal for the rest of population.

I reckon Daniel Pipes—the American historian, writer, and head of the Middle East forum—is plenty respectable enough in this context...
Kyle Nelson2 Kyle Nelson2 Regular
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#232 ·
So what you're saying is they aren't actually no-go zones, it's just that the police have basically decided to stop going there altogether? And when they finally do decide to roll in, they can't even show up without a massive escort of SWAT teams, the military, and armored vehicles... I guess that's one way to look at it. 😁
Lisa Jackson7 Lisa Jackson7 Regular
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#233 ·
Kyle Nelson2 said:So what you're saying is they aren't actually no-go zones, it's just that the police have basically decided to stop going there altogether? And when they finally do decide to roll in, they can't even show up without a massive escort of SWAT teams, the military, and armored vehicles... I guess that's one way to look at it. 😁

Yeah, pretty much... and if this whole immigration setup keeps going alongside a massive welfare state, those zones are just gonna stay put and spread—all while the host country loses its ability to actually assimilate anyone.
Mark Harris66 Mark Harris66 Active Member
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#234 ·
I stumbled upon this piece in Svensk Dagblatet—they're actually one of the oldest and most influential papers in Sweden!
http://www.svd.se/55-no-go-zoner-i-sverige
The journalist basically built the whole article around that police report regarding those "no-go" zones.
It mentions that while the police don't officially use the term "no-go" zone—since that's more of a military term—it’s pretty much understood that these are areas where parallel authorities take over and the state has effectively lost control...
The report and the article even list out those specific parts of town where migrants and their descendants make up over 70% of the population.
Brandon Gomez2 Brandon Gomez2 Member
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#235 ·
Lisa Jackson7 said:This is the first and definitely the last time I'm dropping a link to a text written in a language I don't speak... so go ahead and mourn me now.

But, since my English is actually decent, I read through it—and honestly, while "no-go zones" might be considered too strong a term in this article... there are still these so-called semi-autonomous sectors.

Does Europe Have No-go Zones ?

I found that those areas "are not full-fledged no-go zones" --- meaning places where the government had lost control of territory. No war lords dominate; Shari'a is not the law of the land. I expressed regret back then for having used the term no-go zones.

So, what are these places? A unique and as-yet un-named mix.

West European governments often choose not to impose their will on Muslim-majority areas, allowing them considerable autonomy.

On the one hand, West European states can intervene anywhere and at any time in their sovereign territory. As the shoot-out in Verviers and the subsequent raids elsewhere in Belgium suggest, their overwhelming advantage in force – including military, intelligence, and police – means they have not ceded control.

On the other hand, governments often choose not to impose their will on Muslim-majority areas, allowing them considerable autonomy, including in some cases the Shariah courts that Emerson mentioned. Alcohol and pork are effectively banned in these districts, polygamy and burqas commonplace, police enter only warily and in force, and Muslims get away with offenses illegal for the rest of population.

I reckon Daniel Pipes—the American historian, writer, and head of the Middle East forum—is plenty respectable enough in this context...

Oh, they totally are! Just look at what he actually wrote in that link you shared:

Daniel Pipes, the president of the Middle East Forum, and publisher of its Middle East Quarterly Journal says:
After spending time in The banlieues ( Suburbs ) of Paris in January 2013, as well as in their counterparts in Antwerp, Athens, Berlin, Brussels, Copenhagen, The Hague, Malmö, and Stockholm, however, I have had second thoughts. I found that those areas "are not full-fledged no-go zones" --- meaning places where the government had lost control of territory. No war lords dominate; Shari'a is not the law of the land. I expressed regret back then for having used the term no-go zones.

Basically: my bad, I was wrong. I said no-go zones exist when they actually don't. Oops. Life goes on.

So, what now? For everyone who bought into that whole story about neighborhoods where even the cops are too scared to go?

Are we just gonna keep peddling that racist lie, facts be damned?

Mark Harris66 said:I stumbled upon this piece in Svensk Dagblatet—they're actually one of the oldest and most influential papers in Sweden!
http://www.svd.se/55-no-go-zoner-i-sverige
The journalist basically built the whole article around that police report regarding those "no-go" zones.
It mentions that while the police don't officially use the term "no-go" zone—since that's more of a military term—it’s pretty much understood that these are areas where parallel authorities take over and the state has effectively lost control...
The report and the article even list out those specific parts of town where migrants and their descendants make up over 70% of the population.

Can anyone—including you—actually
a) find any evidence for your claims in the actual text of the link you posted?
b) find anything in that report you're citing that actually backs up what you're saying?

Mark Harris66 said:I dugged up an official report from the Swedish Department of Homeland Security from a couple of years back—found it about a year ago—and they actually admit to having at least 55 no-go zones across Sweden... I wrote about this last year too, but the news only just hit the mainstream lately. D

Mark Harris66 said:And honestly, I actually found those "no-go zones" mentioned right on the official Department of Homeland Security website... why would they lie on their own site? 😁
Mark Harris66 Mark Harris66 Active Member
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#236 ·
The police won't officially call them "no-go zones"—that's more of a military term, plus there's all that Swedish "political correctness" to deal with. But they *are* talking about areas where it's incredibly dangerous to step foot—places where a sort of shadow government basically takes over. And yeah, all of these spots are dominated by migrant communities.
Swedish journalists actually use the term "no-go zone" in their reporting on these areas. You, on the other hand, just keep obsessing over the technicalities of the wording... instead of actually addressing what's happening on the ground.
Brandon Gomez2 Brandon Gomez2 Member
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#237 ·
So, I’m asking you about the actual content here, my dear fellow debater. You’ve made the following claims in this thread:

Mark Harris66 said:I dugged up an official report from the Swedish Department of Homeland Security from a couple of years back—found it about a year ago—and they actually admit to having at least 55 no-go zones across Sweden... I wrote about this last year too, but the news only just hit the mainstream lately. D

Mark Harris66 said:And honestly, I actually found those "no-go zones" mentioned right on the official Department of Homeland Security website... why would they lie on their own site? 😁

Mark Harris66 said:I stumbled upon this piece in Svensk Dagblatet—they're actually one of the oldest and most influential papers in Sweden!
http://www.svd.se/55-no-go-zoner-i-sverige
The journalist basically built the whole article around that police report regarding those "no-go" zones.
It mentions that while the police don't officially use the term "no-go" zone—since that's more of a military term—it’s pretty much understood that these are areas where parallel authorities take over and the state has effectively lost control...
The report and the article even list out those specific parts of town where migrants and their descendants make up over 70% of the population.

Mark Harris66 said:The police won't officially call them "no-go zones"—that's more of a military term, plus there's all that Swedish "political correctness" to deal with. But they *are* talking about areas where it's incredibly dangerous to step foot—places where a sort of shadow government basically takes over. And yeah, all of these spots are dominated by migrant communities.
Swedish journalists actually use the term "no-go zone" in their reporting on these areas. You, on the other hand, just keep obsessing over the technicalities of the wording... instead of actually addressing what's happening on the ground.

This is the Swedish police report you're referring to in quotes 1 and 2:

A national overview of criminal networks making a massive impact on local communities

Here’s that article by pero Gudmundson from Svenska Dagbladet about No-go Zones that you guys posted earlier:

55 ”no go”-zones in Sweden

Seriously, please, just find me *anything* in these texts that backs up your claims that the government has lost control in these so-called No-go Zones. Put it in this format: Swedish quote - English translation, SVP.

If you really want extra credit, try to dig up the data on the percentage of immigrants in all 55 zones mentioned in the report (from page 19 onwards) just to prove your point from Quote 3—that we're talking about parts of the city where over 70% of the population are migrants and their descendants.
coastalheron12 coastalheron12 Active Member
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#238 ·
Brandon Gomez2 said:So, I’m asking you about the actual content here, my dear fellow debater. You’ve made the following claims in this thread:

This is the Swedish police report you're referring to in quotes 1 and 2:

A national overview of criminal networks making a massive impact on local communities

Here’s that article by pero Gudmundson from Svenska Dagbladet about No-go Zones that you guys posted earlier:

55 ”no go”-zones in Sweden

Seriously, please, just find me *anything* in these texts that backs up your claims that the government has lost control in these so-called No-go Zones. Put it in this format: Swedish quote - English translation, SVP.

If you really want extra credit, try to dig up the data on the percentage of immigrants in all 55 zones mentioned in the report (from page 19 onwards) just to prove your point from Quote 3—that we're talking about parts of the city where over 70% of the population are migrants and their descendants.

Maybe we don't need to go neighborhood by neighborhood. 😁
But honestly, looking at this as someone who lives in Norway and follows the local news—Rinkeby/Tensta jumps out immediately. And let's be real, Rinkeby hasn't exactly had a great reputation.

Then there's this snippet from the Swedish Wikipedia (I assume the SD guys and åkesson aren't personally editing it): "Rinkeby is a typical million-program suburb with a high proportion of residents with foreign background. As of December 31, 2014, 90.7% of the population had a foreign background."

I mean, I really shouldn't have to translate what that 90.7% figure actually implies, right?
Mark Harris66 Mark Harris66 Active Member
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#239 ·
Some of those "no-go zones" in Sweden...

Stockholm...
Skärholmen...
Looking at Skärholmen—it’s pretty much the same story you see in many urban hubs across the US today. If you dig into the data, nearly 7 out of 10 people there have a foreign background, with the Asian Group predominates. It’s a massive shift from what these neighborhoods used to look like... When you look at who's actually living there, the numbers tell a clear story. The largest foreign born per country of birth ara : Iraq , Poland... it really paints a picture of how much the demographic landscape has shifted over the years. Just one of those places where the old neighborhood feel has been replaced by something entirely different...
Back on December 31, 2012, about 79.4 percent of the people living in the Skärholmen neighborhood were considered to have a foreign background—meaning they were either born overseas or raised in Sweden with both parents born abroad. Looking closer at those with a foreign background in Skärholmen, nearly 7 out of 10 identify as being of Asian or African descent... and the Asian group actually predominates, making up 52.5 percent...

When you look at where everyone's actually coming from—the biggest groups of foreign-born residents—it’s quite a mix... we've got people from Iraq, Poland, Turkey, Greece, the former America, Iran, Somalia, Finland, Chile, Bangladesh, Ethiopia, Canada, and Syria.

Rinkeby...
Checking out the situation in Rinkeby... it’s definitely an interesting case study. Looking at the data for Rinkeby, you see that of The residents with foreign background in Rinkeby, there's a huge demographic shift happening—it's quite striking actually. Most people there have roots stretching back to places like Iraq, Syria, or Somalia... it really changes the entire vibe of the neighborhood. It’s one of those spots where the cultural makeup is just completely different from the rest of Stockholm... definitely worth keeping an eye on how these urban shifts play out long-term.
Back on December 31, 2012, about 90.5 percent of the people living in Rinkeby were considered to have a foreign background—meaning they were either born overseas or grew up in Sweden with both parents born abroad. Looking specifically at those with a foreign background in Rinkeby, 8 out of 10 are of either Asian (38.7 percent) or African (40.8 percent) descent...
The biggest groups of people born abroad here come from places like Somalia, Iraq, Turkey, Greece, Syria, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Canada, Chile, Poland, Iran, Finland, Morocco, Lebanon, and Bangladesh...

Skärholmen...
Looking at the data for Skärholmen—where nearly 70% of people with a foreign background are of Asian or African descent—you really see how much the demographics have shifted. The biggest groups coming from abroad are mostly from places like Iraq and Poland. It’s a pretty significant transformation for a neighborhood like this...
Back on December 1, 2012, about 79.4 percent of people living in the Skärholmen neighborhood were considered to have a foreign background—meaning they were either born overseas or grew up here with both parents being foreign-born. Looking closer at those with foreign backgrounds in Skärholmen, nearly 7 out of 10 people are of Asian or African descent... and the Asian group actually makes up the biggest slice at 52.5 percent.

If you look at where the most foreign-born residents actually come from—it's quite a mix... mostly people from Iraq, Poland, Turkey, Greece, the former America, Iran, Somalia, Finland, Chile, Bangladesh, Ethiopia, Canada, and Syria.

Malmo — specifically Rosengard... basically a no-go zone...
Rosengard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roseng%C3%A5rd

I'm ready. Just send over the text you need me to work on...

No-go zones...
Rinkeby (Stockholm)
Fittja (Stockholm)
Bergsjon (Gothenburg)
biskopsgården (Gothenburg)
Rosengard (Malmo)
Koppargården (Landskrona)
Araby (Vaxjo)
Brynas (Gavle)
Rönnemyr (Alvesta)
Berga-Norrliden (Kalmar)
Oxie (Malmo)...
Seved (Malmo)
gamlegården
fängelsegården (Koping)
Enkoping...
Eriksberg (Uppsala)
Gränby (Uppsala)
Stenhagen (Uppsala)
Savja (Uppsala)
Gottsunda (Uppsala)
Salem (Sodertalje)
Fornhöjden (Sodertalje)...
Ronna (Sodertalje)
Hovsjö (Sodertalje)
Bagarmossen (Stockholm)
Skarpnäck (Stockholm)
Skärholmen (Stockholm)
Vårberg (Stockholm)
Bredäng (Stockholm)...
Enskededalen (Stockholm)
Farsta (Stockholm)
Östberg (Stockholm)
Nynäshamn (Stockholm)
Vallentuna (Stockholm)
Edsberg (Stockholm)
Vivalla (Orebro)
Oxhagen (Orebro)
Backa (Gothenburg)
Majorna (Gothenburg)
Västra Frölunda (Gothenburg)
Hammarkullen (Gothenburg)
Trollhättan (Trollhättan)
Hässleholmen/Hulta (Boras)
Andersberg (Halmstad)
Falkagård (Falkenberg)
Laholm (Falkenberg)
Skiftinge (Eskilstuna)
Arby (Eskilstuna)
Froslunda (Eskilstuna)
Lagersberg (Eskilstuna)
Skäggetorp (Linkoping)
Ryd (Linkoping)
Hageby-Navesta (Norkoping)

They've really had the wrong integration policy from the jump—it hasn't worked out so far. We're seeing much lower education levels, lower employment rates, and a way higher crime rate (http://www.d-intl.com/2013/11/08/mul...lence/?lang=en, which includes references to official government reports)
It’s time to rethink how they handle integration, because everything done up to this point has just fallen flat...
Brandon Gomez2 Brandon Gomez2 Member
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#240 ·
Just wanted to remind you what you actually wrote in this thread:

Mark Harris66 said:I dugged up an official report from the Swedish Department of Homeland Security from a couple of years back—found it about a year ago—and they actually admit to having at least 55 no-go zones across Sweden... I wrote about this last year too, but the news only just hit the mainstream lately. D

Mark Harris66 said:I stumbled upon this piece in Svensk Dagblatet—they're actually one of the oldest and most influential papers in Sweden!
http://www.svd.se/55-no-go-zoner-i-sverige
The journalist basically built the whole article around that police report regarding those "no-go" zones.
It mentions that while the police don't officially use the term "no-go" zone—since that's more of a military term—it’s pretty much understood that these are areas where parallel authorities take over and the state has effectively lost control...
The report and the article even list out those specific parts of town where migrants and their descendants make up over 70% of the population.

The good news is that by listing those problematic areas, you've clearly shown you actually read and understood the report. So, I probably won't have to wait much longer for you to satisfy my curiosity and show me exactly how you derived your conclusion about zones being out of state control (hint: check page 14).

The bad news for your argument, though, is that none of the links you provided have anything to do with unrest or the police being afraid of immigrants. Except for the last one, which basically says the biggest riots in the history of Swedish suburbs were successfully shut down by police intervention—which pretty much guts your whole idea about the state losing control.

coastalheron12 said:Maybe we don't need to go neighborhood by neighborhood. 😁
But honestly, looking at this as someone who lives in Norway and follows the local news—Rinkeby/Tensta jumps out immediately. And let's be real, Rinkeby hasn't exactly had a great reputation.

Then there's this snippet from the Swedish Wikipedia (I assume the SD guys and åkesson aren't personally editing it): "Rinkeby is a typical million-program suburb with a high proportion of residents with foreign background. As of December 31, 2014, 90.7% of the population had a foreign background."

I mean, I really shouldn't have to translate what that 90.7% figure actually implies, right?

Saying it's "never been mentioned in a good light" is super vague, so please tell me which specific events lead you to believe Rinkeby has such a bad reputation.

It's totally possible that there are forums and sites on the internet where having 90.7% (or any number other than zero) of the population being of foreign descent is viewed as bad in itself (to borrow a phrase from a descendant of a Nuremberg immigrant living in modern-day Kaliningrad), but whether that kind of logic is considered valid or even allowed is up to the site owners, admins, and moderators.

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