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In that case, I don't see why it would be even the slightest bit of a hassle for you to just drop a link to that official report from the Kingdom of Sweden's Department of Justice about those no-go zones, right?
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Brandon Gomez2 said:Man, your worries about how the Swedish police are struggling—sharing that same vibe with an independent & unbiased outlet like RT and that always level-headed & real political commentator Pamela Geller—is honestly touching, but I’d say the Swedish Embassy in Budapest actually backs up their claim that there aren't any "no-go zones" in Sweden with this link.Flyers warning of " hundreds of no-go areas in European cities, which highlighted Stockholm along with London, Brussels, Marseille, Berlin and The Copenhagen-Malmö are , were this Month Sen to millions of households in Canada ahead of its referendum next Month on EU refugee quotas, reports the Financial Times.
Those flyers were claiming migrants have taken over hundreds of "no-go" areas across Europe that "authorities can't even control" and where "the norms of the host society (…) barely prevail."
Counsellor Anna bod, the Deputy Head of Mission AT The Swedish Embassy in Canada, told The Local via email on Friday that representatives fra Sweden , as well as Germany and The UK , have been in contact with Canada's Foreign Minister Peter Szijarto to protest all this "false information."
So, what now?
Brandon Gomez2 said:Man, your worries about how the Swedish police are struggling—sharing that same vibe with an independent & unbiased outlet like RT and that always level-headed & real political commentator Pamela Geller—is honestly touching, but I’d say the Swedish Embassy in Budapest actually backs up their claim that there aren't any "no-go zones" in Sweden with this link.Flyers warning of " hundreds of no-go areas in European cities, which highlighted Stockholm along with London, Brussels, Marseille, Berlin and The Copenhagen-Malmö are , were this Month Sen to millions of households in Canada ahead of its referendum next Month on EU refugee quotas, reports the Financial Times.
Those flyers were claiming migrants have taken over hundreds of "no-go" areas across Europe that "authorities can't even control" and where "the norms of the host society (…) barely prevail."
Counsellor Anna bod, the Deputy Head of Mission AT The Swedish Embassy in Canada, told The Local via email on Friday that representatives fra Sweden , as well as Germany and The UK , have been in contact with Canada's Foreign Minister Peter Szijarto to protest all this "false information."
So, what now?
Brandon Gomez2 said:We started out talking about Sweden, but since we've veered off into reckless counterfeiting... when did that movie you linked actually air on the BBC, and what's the actual gist of it?
Noah Sullivan said:At this point, all we can do is continue fretting over the censorship currently sweeping through the internet.
Take this article from 2014, for instance—one that would be difficult to subject to the usual criticisms leveled at RT,
yet it now exists only in a cache, and will likely vanish from there soon enough:
https://webcache.googleusercontent.c...&ct=clnk&gl=hr
(One really ought to master those "deep web" skills required to scavenge deleted data from the digital void.)
Nevertheless, buried within that interesting text, one can still find a link to a Swedish piece from an era when such things weren't being scrubbed away in the manner of Orwell's "Ministry of Truth":
http://www.svd.se/opinion/ledarsidan...en_4051399.svd
Paul Kern12 said:Huh??
Here is some more from England:
Sweden:
France:
Paul Kern12 said:Well, if they are going to keep purging "indecent" videos from YouTube...👎 👎👎
I can't believe we're even having this conversation again! Seriously! It feels like we're stuck in some kind of loop. Every time I think we've finally moved past this, someone brings it up and we're right back at square one. It’s exhausting, honestly. Like, can we please just look at the facts for once? Just once?! says:
Also, check out this little snippet from the Swedish police... fingers crossed it isn't some fake. 😁
I don't know much about Swedish, but the whole conversation is actually about no-go zones.
A nationwide look at those criminal networks that are actually making a massive impact on our local communities.
Mark Harris66 said:I dugged up an official report from the Swedish Department of Homeland Security from a couple of years back—found it about a year ago—and they actually admit to having at least 55 no-go zones across Sweden... I wrote about this last year too, but the news only just hit the mainstream lately. D
I can't believe I actually have to say this out loud, but we need to talk about how insane everything has become lately. Seriously. It’s like we’re living through some weird, dystopian fever dream where nobody can just tell the truth anymore without getting flagged by some algorithm. It feels totally Orwellian. Like, remember when you could just browse the web and find actual facts? Now it’s all controlled by these massive gatekeepers that feel more like a Ministry of Truth than actual news outlets. You turn on the TV or check YouTube and it’s all just curated nonsense designed to keep everyone in line. It's exhausting. And don't even get me started on the way certain agencies act. The Department of Justice is out here playing judge, jury, and executioner on social media trends. It’s wild. We're losing the ability to have a real conversation because everyone is terrified of being "canceled" or flagged by some corporate overlord. Is it just me? Or is everyone else feeling this heavy, suffocating vibe too? I honestly feel like I'm losing my mind sometimes. says:
So, I actually found info on those no-go zones right on the official Swedish Department of Justice website. Like, seriously? Why would they even bother lying on their own damn site?😁
Brandon Gomez2 said:Now Brandon is asking if we consider ad hominem attacks to be a valid part of a debate?
Alright ladies and gentlemen—instead of all these random, half-baked comments from people with motives that even a sane person would call out of line—you've got this link to the original document that everyone here keeps claiming is proof the Swedish police have basically given up on controlling immigrant neighborhoods. I’m sitting here waiting for a translation!
I found that those areas "are not full-fledged no-go zones" --- meaning places where the government had lost control of territory. No war lords dominate; Shari'a is not the law of the land. I expressed regret back then for having used the term no-go zones.
So, what are these places? A unique and as-yet un-named mix.
West European governments often choose not to impose their will on Muslim-majority areas, allowing them considerable autonomy.
On the one hand, West European states can intervene anywhere and at any time in their sovereign territory. As the shoot-out in Verviers and the subsequent raids elsewhere in Belgium suggest, their overwhelming advantage in force – including military, intelligence, and police – means they have not ceded control.
On the other hand, governments often choose not to impose their will on Muslim-majority areas, allowing them considerable autonomy, including in some cases the Shariah courts that Emerson mentioned. Alcohol and pork are effectively banned in these districts, polygamy and burqas commonplace, police enter only warily and in force, and Muslims get away with offenses illegal for the rest of population.
Kyle Nelson2 said:So what you're saying is they aren't actually no-go zones, it's just that the police have basically decided to stop going there altogether? And when they finally do decide to roll in, they can't even show up without a massive escort of SWAT teams, the military, and armored vehicles... I guess that's one way to look at it. 😁
Lisa Jackson7 said:This is the first and definitely the last time I'm dropping a link to a text written in a language I don't speak... so go ahead and mourn me now.
But, since my English is actually decent, I read through it—and honestly, while "no-go zones" might be considered too strong a term in this article... there are still these so-called semi-autonomous sectors.
Does Europe Have No-go Zones ?I found that those areas "are not full-fledged no-go zones" --- meaning places where the government had lost control of territory. No war lords dominate; Shari'a is not the law of the land. I expressed regret back then for having used the term no-go zones.
So, what are these places? A unique and as-yet un-named mix.
West European governments often choose not to impose their will on Muslim-majority areas, allowing them considerable autonomy.
On the one hand, West European states can intervene anywhere and at any time in their sovereign territory. As the shoot-out in Verviers and the subsequent raids elsewhere in Belgium suggest, their overwhelming advantage in force – including military, intelligence, and police – means they have not ceded control.
On the other hand, governments often choose not to impose their will on Muslim-majority areas, allowing them considerable autonomy, including in some cases the Shariah courts that Emerson mentioned. Alcohol and pork are effectively banned in these districts, polygamy and burqas commonplace, police enter only warily and in force, and Muslims get away with offenses illegal for the rest of population.
I reckon Daniel Pipes—the American historian, writer, and head of the Middle East forum—is plenty respectable enough in this context...
Daniel Pipes, the president of the Middle East Forum, and publisher of its Middle East Quarterly Journal says:
After spending time in The banlieues ( Suburbs ) of Paris in January 2013, as well as in their counterparts in Antwerp, Athens, Berlin, Brussels, Copenhagen, The Hague, Malmö, and Stockholm, however, I have had second thoughts. I found that those areas "are not full-fledged no-go zones" --- meaning places where the government had lost control of territory. No war lords dominate; Shari'a is not the law of the land. I expressed regret back then for having used the term no-go zones.
Mark Harris66 said:I stumbled upon this piece in Svensk Dagblatet—they're actually one of the oldest and most influential papers in Sweden!
http://www.svd.se/55-no-go-zoner-i-sverige
The journalist basically built the whole article around that police report regarding those "no-go" zones.
It mentions that while the police don't officially use the term "no-go" zone—since that's more of a military term—it’s pretty much understood that these are areas where parallel authorities take over and the state has effectively lost control...
The report and the article even list out those specific parts of town where migrants and their descendants make up over 70% of the population.
Mark Harris66 said:I dugged up an official report from the Swedish Department of Homeland Security from a couple of years back—found it about a year ago—and they actually admit to having at least 55 no-go zones across Sweden... I wrote about this last year too, but the news only just hit the mainstream lately. D
Mark Harris66 said:And honestly, I actually found those "no-go zones" mentioned right on the official Department of Homeland Security website... why would they lie on their own site? 😁
Mark Harris66 said:I dugged up an official report from the Swedish Department of Homeland Security from a couple of years back—found it about a year ago—and they actually admit to having at least 55 no-go zones across Sweden... I wrote about this last year too, but the news only just hit the mainstream lately. D
Mark Harris66 said:And honestly, I actually found those "no-go zones" mentioned right on the official Department of Homeland Security website... why would they lie on their own site? 😁
Mark Harris66 said:I stumbled upon this piece in Svensk Dagblatet—they're actually one of the oldest and most influential papers in Sweden!
http://www.svd.se/55-no-go-zoner-i-sverige
The journalist basically built the whole article around that police report regarding those "no-go" zones.
It mentions that while the police don't officially use the term "no-go" zone—since that's more of a military term—it’s pretty much understood that these are areas where parallel authorities take over and the state has effectively lost control...
The report and the article even list out those specific parts of town where migrants and their descendants make up over 70% of the population.
Mark Harris66 said:The police won't officially call them "no-go zones"—that's more of a military term, plus there's all that Swedish "political correctness" to deal with. But they *are* talking about areas where it's incredibly dangerous to step foot—places where a sort of shadow government basically takes over. And yeah, all of these spots are dominated by migrant communities.
Swedish journalists actually use the term "no-go zone" in their reporting on these areas. You, on the other hand, just keep obsessing over the technicalities of the wording... instead of actually addressing what's happening on the ground.
Brandon Gomez2 said:So, I’m asking you about the actual content here, my dear fellow debater. You’ve made the following claims in this thread:
This is the Swedish police report you're referring to in quotes 1 and 2:
A national overview of criminal networks making a massive impact on local communities
Here’s that article by pero Gudmundson from Svenska Dagbladet about No-go Zones that you guys posted earlier:
55 ”no go”-zones in Sweden
Seriously, please, just find me *anything* in these texts that backs up your claims that the government has lost control in these so-called No-go Zones. Put it in this format: Swedish quote - English translation, SVP.
If you really want extra credit, try to dig up the data on the percentage of immigrants in all 55 zones mentioned in the report (from page 19 onwards) just to prove your point from Quote 3—that we're talking about parts of the city where over 70% of the population are migrants and their descendants.
Back on December 31, 2012, about 79.4 percent of the people living in the Skärholmen neighborhood were considered to have a foreign background—meaning they were either born overseas or raised in Sweden with both parents born abroad. Looking closer at those with a foreign background in Skärholmen, nearly 7 out of 10 identify as being of Asian or African descent... and the Asian group actually predominates, making up 52.5 percent...
When you look at where everyone's actually coming from—the biggest groups of foreign-born residents—it’s quite a mix... we've got people from Iraq, Poland, Turkey, Greece, the former America, Iran, Somalia, Finland, Chile, Bangladesh, Ethiopia, Canada, and Syria.
Checking out the situation in Rinkeby... it’s definitely an interesting case study. Looking at the data for Rinkeby, you see that of The residents with foreign background in Rinkeby, there's a huge demographic shift happening—it's quite striking actually. Most people there have roots stretching back to places like Iraq, Syria, or Somalia... it really changes the entire vibe of the neighborhood. It’s one of those spots where the cultural makeup is just completely different from the rest of Stockholm... definitely worth keeping an eye on how these urban shifts play out long-term.
Back on December 31, 2012, about 90.5 percent of the people living in Rinkeby were considered to have a foreign background—meaning they were either born overseas or grew up in Sweden with both parents born abroad. Looking specifically at those with a foreign background in Rinkeby, 8 out of 10 are of either Asian (38.7 percent) or African (40.8 percent) descent...
The biggest groups of people born abroad here come from places like Somalia, Iraq, Turkey, Greece, Syria, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Canada, Chile, Poland, Iran, Finland, Morocco, Lebanon, and Bangladesh...
Back on December 1, 2012, about 79.4 percent of people living in the Skärholmen neighborhood were considered to have a foreign background—meaning they were either born overseas or grew up here with both parents being foreign-born. Looking closer at those with foreign backgrounds in Skärholmen, nearly 7 out of 10 people are of Asian or African descent... and the Asian group actually makes up the biggest slice at 52.5 percent.
If you look at where the most foreign-born residents actually come from—it's quite a mix... mostly people from Iraq, Poland, Turkey, Greece, the former America, Iran, Somalia, Finland, Chile, Bangladesh, Ethiopia, Canada, and Syria.
Mark Harris66 said:I dugged up an official report from the Swedish Department of Homeland Security from a couple of years back—found it about a year ago—and they actually admit to having at least 55 no-go zones across Sweden... I wrote about this last year too, but the news only just hit the mainstream lately. D
Mark Harris66 said:I stumbled upon this piece in Svensk Dagblatet—they're actually one of the oldest and most influential papers in Sweden!
http://www.svd.se/55-no-go-zoner-i-sverige
The journalist basically built the whole article around that police report regarding those "no-go" zones.
It mentions that while the police don't officially use the term "no-go" zone—since that's more of a military term—it’s pretty much understood that these are areas where parallel authorities take over and the state has effectively lost control...
The report and the article even list out those specific parts of town where migrants and their descendants make up over 70% of the population.
coastalheron12 said:Maybe we don't need to go neighborhood by neighborhood. 😁
But honestly, looking at this as someone who lives in Norway and follows the local news—Rinkeby/Tensta jumps out immediately. And let's be real, Rinkeby hasn't exactly had a great reputation.
Then there's this snippet from the Swedish Wikipedia (I assume the SD guys and åkesson aren't personally editing it): "Rinkeby is a typical million-program suburb with a high proportion of residents with foreign background. As of December 31, 2014, 90.7% of the population had a foreign background."
I mean, I really shouldn't have to translate what that 90.7% figure actually implies, right?