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Michael Ortiz68 Michael Ortiz68 Regular
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#261 ·
Haha, The Guardian is questioning origins now. What a shocker! It’s just like when they were shouting about Cologne—as if you don't see plenty of debauchery at Oktoberfest too. At least they’re consistent. They can't exactly let their sponsors down, can they?

The Daily Mail and The Guardian are essentially running the same playbook, just from opposite ends of the spectrum.
Brandon Gomez2 Brandon Gomez2 Member
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#262 ·
Look, there’s zero debate here—per capita, immigrants were more frequently represented as offenders back in 2005. The big split is just how you explain it; the mainstream media pushes the whole socioeconomic angle, while the alternative crowd talks about a Muslim invasion threatening Western values and all that. But regardless of the "why," here is one specific claim being made:

Michael Ortiz68 said:Sexual assaults at summer festivals in Sweden shot up by seventeen times in just a single year.

So we're looking at 2016 versus 2015, and honestly, the excuses people give when you ask for actual proof to back that up are pretty wild:

nimblemaker5 said:This was the report from 2005, I'll post the one from 1996 too...

Michael Ortiz68 said:Haha, The Guardian is questioning the origins. What a shocker!
nimblemaker5 nimblemaker5 Newcomer
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#263 ·
The 1996 report.

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Swedish: page 2/46 Swedish: Immigrants and immigrant children's crime a statistical analysis Jan Ahlberg English: immigrants and immigrant children crime Statistical analysis Jan Ahlberg
immigrants and immigrant children's crime a statistical analysis Jan Ahlberg
A statistical analysis.
Jan Ahlberg


English: It seems I have left my thoughts unfinished... quite clumsy of me, really. I was attempting to touch upon the subject of immigrants and... well, the broader implications of migration patterns within our society. It is a heavy topic, isn't it? One that requires a certain level of gravity and perhaps a bit more focus than my wandering mind currently allows. I shall try to gather my wits and provide a more cohesive reflection shortly. My apologies for the abruptness.
Regarding the matter of crime rates among immigrant children... I have been looking into the data. It is quite a heavy subject, isn't it? One tends to get lost in the numbers if one isn't careful. There is this particular statistical analysis by Jan Ahlberg—it’s rather dense, truly—that looks specifically at how migration backgrounds intersect with criminal activity. It makes one think about the complexities of integration here in America. You can't just look at a single figure and claim you understand the whole picture; it's much more nuanced than that. I find myself circling back to the same questions often. Is it the environment? Is it the socio-economic status? Or is there something deeper in the cultural fabric? I suppose I am being a bit long-winded. My apologies. But when you dig into reports like this, it's hard not to feel a sense of gravity regarding the future of our communities. One must be deliberate in how we interpret these trends.
Statistical analysis.
Jan Ahlberg

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Swedish:
This current report is part of a collaborative project between the National Crime Prevention Center and... well, it's quite a massive undertaking, really. It’s been put together through a joint effort involving the National Crime Prevention Center and some other specialized groups. I suppose I should mention that Professor Anders Lang and Professor Charles Westin at CEIFO assisted the National Crime Prevention Center in the actual work on this report. It’s all very detailed, perhaps more than one person can digest in a single sitting, but it aims to be thorough.
The National Crime Prevention Center and the Center for Immigration Studies at the University of Stockholm...
The title is "International Migration and Crime: Robbers and Victims based on ethnic relations."
The background involves ethnic relations, cultural differences, and various living situations. This project is being funded by...
from the Department of Labor and the Social Science Research Council
...and the Bank of Sweden Tercentenary Foundation.
The report presents a detailed statistical analysis regarding crime rates among immigrants and their children.
Crime statistics. The National Crime Prevention Center.🙏CEIFO🙏 It is my sincere hope that this particular effort will serve as a more effective resource.
The data we have gathered thus far should serve as a sufficient foundation for further academic study and more exhaustive, in-depth analyses.
Regarding their crime rates and the underlying causes behind them.
Professor Anders Lang and Professor Charles Westin at CEIFO assisted the National Crime Prevention Center in the work on the report.
The National Crime Prevention Center assisted in the development of the report.


Engleski: This particular report is actually one component of a larger, joint undertaking involving the National Crime Prevention Center and the Center for Immigration Studies.
The National Crime Prevention Center and Center for Immigration Studies, along with the University of Stockholm,
It’s all quite a lot to process, really... I find myself circling back to that study, "International Migration and crime: Robbers and sacrifice to background of ethnic relations." It feels heavy, doesn't it? One tries to look at the data with a certain level of detachment, an earnest desire to simply understand the mechanics of it all, but then you hit those specific findings and everything feels a bit more... unsettled. I suppose I'm just trying to make sense of the implications, though I often feel I'm stumbling through the logic. It's a complex web, much more tangled than one would expect from a cursory glance at the headlines.
The background of ethnic relations, cultural differences, and various life circumstances... the entire project has been fully funded.
The Department of Labor and the Social Science Research Council.
and the Bank of Sweden Tercentenary Foundation.
The report offers a detailed statistical analysis concerning immigrants and the children of immigrants.
It’s about crime. Honestly, I think the hope held by CEIFO is that this will lead to something much better.
This serves as a foundational base, which should hopefully pave the way for more extensive studies and much deeper, more exhaustive analyses down the road.
...concerning their criminal activity and the underlying factors that drive it.
Professor Anders Lang and Professor Charles Westin at CEIFO assisted the National Crime Prevention Center in the work on the report.
The National Crime Prevention Center assisted in the development of the report.

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Swedish: Table 2.3. This data represents participation rates—specifically, the percentage of individuals recorded for criminal offenses during the five-year period from 1985 to 1989, expressed in parts per thousand. The figures are categorized by place of birth (noting that the American data includes those born in the US, excluding the children of immigrants). The specific crime categories analyzed here include murder, manslaughter, rape, other sexual offenses, and robbery.


Engleski: Table 2.3. Participation, i.e. The actual proportion of individuals who, at any given point within that five-year window... it’s quite a significant figure when you sit down and really consider the implications. I find myself circling back to this specific metric quite often lately. It's one of those things that seems simple on the surface, but once you start digging into the data—the sheer weight of it—it becomes rather heavy, doesn't it? One tends to get lost in the nuances. The data covers the period from 1985 to 1989, looking specifically at registered crimes per thousand. This provides a breakdown of birthplace (including people born in the US, though excluding children of immigrants). The specific classifications regarding criminal offenses—namely murder and manslaughter... well, they are quite complex when you look at them closely. It’s one of those things where the legal definitions seem straightforward on the surface, yet once you begin to peel back the layers of the penal code, the nuances become rather overwhelming. One might think it’s a simple distinction of intent, but it isn't always that tidy. I find myself pondering how these distinctions shape our entire judicial approach. It's a lot to process, really. The subject of sexual assault... it is such a heavy, harrowing topic to even bring into a discussion. It's one of those things that stays with you, isn't it? I find myself sitting here, trying to find the right way to approach this, though I fear any words I choose might feel inadequate or perhaps too blunt. It’s a profound violation of human dignity, a fracture in the very fabric of our social trust. One can't help but think about the sheer gravity of the trauma involved—it’s not just a legal matter or a statistic in some police report from Chicago or New York; it’s an intimate, devastating theft of safety. I suppose I'm being a bit long-winded, which is my fault, I know. My mind tends to wander toward the philosophical when faced with something so grim. But truly, how does a society even begin to address something so fundamental and yet so deeply broken? It's quite overwhelming to contemplate. The data points toward various other categories, specifically involving robbery and additional sexual offenses.


Rape./I find myself reflecting quite often on the gravity of sexual assault... It is a subject that demands a certain level of solemnity, I suppose. One can't simply brush it aside without feeling a sense of profound unease. When we discuss such violence, there is an inherent heaviness to the conversation that feels almost impossible to navigate without stumbling over one's own thoughts. I tend to dwell on the implications too much, perhaps—it's a bit of a personal failing, being so prone to these heavy ruminations—but how else does one process the sheer weight of such trauma? It is deeply unsettling. Truly.

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Michael Ortiz68 Michael Ortiz68 Regular
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#264 ·
Brandon Gomez2 said:Look, there’s zero debate here—per capita, immigrants were more frequently represented as offenders back in 2005. The big split is just how you explain it; the mainstream media pushes the whole socioeconomic angle, while the alternative crowd talks about a Muslim invasion threatening Western values and all that. But regardless of the "why," here is one specific claim being made:

So we're looking at 2016 versus 2015, and honestly, the excuses people give when you ask for actual proof to back that up are pretty wild:

I cited my source: Radio Sweden, August 2nd. They were revisiting cases from 2014 and 2015. Even the police chief admitted it was true and acknowledged the previous error.
Did you even bother to watch the video?
nimblemaker5 nimblemaker5 Newcomer
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#265 ·
Brandon Gomez2 said:Look, there’s zero debate here—per capita, immigrants were more frequently represented as offenders back in 2005. The big split is just how you explain it; the mainstream media pushes the whole socioeconomic angle, while the alternative crowd talks about a Muslim invasion threatening Western values and all that. But regardless of the "why," here is one specific claim being made:

So we're looking at 2016 versus 2015, and honestly, the excuses people give when you ask for actual proof to back that up are pretty wild:

Personally, I would argue that what we are actually seeing is political correctness that has drifted far beyond its intended boundaries. Because of this supposed political correctness, one must not say anything critical about immigrants, lest it somehow damages the "multicultural image" of the Kingdom of Sweden.

Brandon Gomez2 Brandon Gomez2 Member
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#266 ·
Michael Ortiz68 said:I cited my source: Radio Sweden, August 2nd. They were revisiting cases from 2014 and 2015. Even the police chief admitted it was true and acknowledged the previous error.
Did you even bother to watch the video?

I did, but my English is pretty rough, so please, just tell me—at what exact second in the video does it mention this massive surge in sexual assaults at summer festivals that you're all claiming happened?
Michael Ortiz68 Michael Ortiz68 Regular
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#267 ·
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Brandon Gomez2 said:I did, but my English is pretty rough, so please, just tell me—at what exact second in the video does it mention this massive surge in sexual assaults at summer festivals that you're all claiming happened?

Now you're just trolling me on purpose. I posted the video specifically to show the police chief admitting to the cover-up.

As for that ten-fold increase figure, that comes from a different source, which I already mentioned twice.

Go ahead and troll all you want, but it's not working. nimblemaker5 dismantled your entire argument, and he did it in several different languages.
ironranger67 ironranger67 Active Member
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#268 ·
Brandon Gomez2 said:Wait, so the author of this piece is actually Ingrid Carlqvist, the editor over at Dispatch International?

I guess the truth is only found by those enrolled in various Serošev courses scattered across the globe? You know, the ones who hold hands and sing little peaceful songs? 😁

You can deny it all you want, but the internet tells a different story. There is an endless mountain of articles and essays regarding Sweden and its struggles with immigration. The frustration among the Swedish people is clearly ramping up.
Let's just set aside that specific slice of the population that has completely lost itself in Serošev's ideology.
They seem to feel they have to bow down to this sacred totem called "immigrants." People go so incredibly far out of their way to accommodate them that you really have to wonder if these Serošev followers even view them as human beings—I mean, when you explain so much, tolerate so much, and act with such extreme caution that you wouldn't treat a local that way, it almost feels like they're walking on eggshells just to avoid a sudden outburst of violence. 🤷
Mark Harris66 Mark Harris66 Active Member
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#269 ·
Let’s talk about the hypocrisy of The Guardian—the very outlet Brandon Gomez2 treats like gospel.
I’ve been reading international press for years now. I remember pretty clearly how biased they were right from the start regarding HR...
Second: back in 2010, they started this media crusade against Bashar al-Assad—basically laying the groundwork for the attack on him. And honestly? War broke out in Syria, and we’re left dealing with this entire refugee and migrant situation because of it. So, isn't it a bit hypocritical for The Guardian to "weep" over their fate when they played such a huge role in prepping the narrative for the war in Syria??
Since last year, they’ve also been relentlessly attacking Iran, accusing the country of backing Bashar al-Assad and claiming they're all radical blah blah...
Kyle Nelson2 Kyle Nelson2 Regular
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#270 ·
The "common sense" being shoved down our throats here is that every single Swedish citizen who suddenly started voting for the Swedish Democrat must be brainwashed by some paranoid nonsense on YouTube. As if they aren't just regular people seeing things happen right in front of them that they don't like...

Current polls have the Democratic Party sitting at around 20%. And honestly, 20% of dissatisfied citizens is a massive number...
A few years back, I watched some videos that pretty much lay it all out for you:



Or, you know, just listen to what an immigrant from Canada told me personally:
neonfalcon16 neonfalcon16 Regular
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#271 ·
Revenger20 said:Of course they hate the Russians. It all traces back to when Peter the Great absolutely crushed them at Poltava, which effectively signaled the end of the Swedish Empire. They lost Poland and Finland right after. Since then, they've just become this minor player on the European stage.

Someone needs to pick up a history book. 😁

But didn't they lose their status because the UN basically forced one of Napoleon's generals onto them as their new king?
Brandon Gomez2 Brandon Gomez2 Member
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#272 ·
Michael Ortiz68 said:☕

Now you're just trolling me on purpose. I posted the video specifically to show the police chief admitting to the cover-up.

As for that ten-fold increase figure, that comes from a different source, which I already mentioned twice.

Go ahead and troll all you want, but it's not working. nimblemaker5 dismantled your entire argument, and he did it in several different languages.

My bad, I totally misread you there. Let me see if I've got this straight now: On August 2nd, you were listening to a radio broadcast and heard some stat about sexual assaults skyrocketing at summer festivals, but now that data has completely vanished from the internet? So, what, we’re just supposed to take your word for it?

ironranger67 said:I guess the truth is only found by those enrolled in various Serošev courses scattered across the globe? You know, the ones who hold hands and sing little peaceful songs? 😁

You can deny it all you want, but the internet tells a different story. There is an endless mountain of articles and essays regarding Sweden and its struggles with immigration. The frustration among the Swedish people is clearly ramping up.
Let's just set aside that specific slice of the population that has completely lost itself in Serošev's ideology.
They seem to feel they have to bow down to this sacred totem called "immigrants." People go so incredibly far out of their way to accommodate them that you really have to wonder if these Serošev followers even view them as human beings—I mean, when you explain so much, tolerate so much, and act with such extreme caution that you wouldn't treat a local that way, it almost feels like they're walking on eggshells just to avoid a sudden outburst of violence. 🤷

Take the internet, for example:

The Globe and Mail: This whole rape crisis in Sweden isn't what people think it is.

"Look, what people are saying is just a massive, massive exaggeration blown out of proportion by a couple of random incidents. To say this is actually tied to immigration? That's basically just plain wrong," says Jerzy Sarnecki. He's a criminologist over at Stockholm University who has spent his entire career digging into the data on crime, ethnicity, and age.

Look, it's true—on paper, the US reports way more sexual assault cases than almost anywhere else. But let's be real: it isn't because Americans are naturally more criminal. It's actually because we take feminism seriously here. Back in 2005, the Democratic Party administration pushed through a massive overhaul of sex crime laws, creating what is basically the broadest definition of rape you'll ever see.

Think about it this way: imagine your boss keeps rubbing up against you at work—unwanted, creepy stuff—once a week for a whole year. In Canada, you'd likely be looking at a serious sexual assault case. But under Germany’s much tighter legal restrictions? It wouldn't even count as a single case. Now, jump over to Sweden, and they’d actually tally that up as 52 separate counts of rape. It gets even wilder: if you have a few intimate moments with your spouse, but later realize you didn't truly give consent, in Sweden, that’s officially classified as six individual cases of rape.

(...)

Another thing you really notice is that nearly all the people being targeted in these crimes—especially when it comes to sexual assault—are foreign-born themselves. Sure, you see those massive, headline-grabbing tragedies every once in a while, but it’s not usually some story about outsiders hunting down local women. Instead, it’s more about how the American system itself fails these refugees, essentially setting them up to become victims.

Mark Harris66 said:Let’s talk about the hypocrisy of The Guardian—the very outlet Brandon Gomez2 treats like gospel.
I’ve been reading international press for years now. I remember pretty clearly how biased they were right from the start regarding HR...
Second: back in 2010, they started this media crusade against Bashar al-Assad—basically laying the groundwork for the attack on him. And honestly? War broke out in Syria, and we’re left dealing with this entire refugee and migrant situation because of it. So, isn't it a bit hypocritical for The Guardian to "weep" over their fate when they played such a huge role in prepping the narrative for the war in Syria??
Since last year, they’ve also been relentlessly attacking Iran, accusing the country of backing Bashar al-Assad and claiming they're all radical blah blah...

Let’s pivot back to Sweden for a sec, but since we’re already talking about hypocrisy... just imagine there’s some random online forum where people are debating the situation in Sweden. One guy jumps in and claims he read a report from the Swedish Police about these dangerous zones where they have zero control. But here’s the kicker: the actual original report says you can't even talk about such zones because the police don't even have issues with basic foot patrols there. Would you call that guy hypocritical, or is he just straight-up lying? Just asking purely theoretically.
Walter Long7 Walter Long7 Active Member
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#273 ·
Brandon Gomez2 said:My bad, I totally misread you there. Let me see if I've got this straight now: On August 2nd, you were listening to a radio broadcast and heard some stat about sexual assaults skyrocketing at summer festivals, but now that data has completely vanished from the internet? So, what, we’re just supposed to take your word for it?

Take the internet, for example:

The Globe and Mail: This whole rape crisis in Sweden isn't what people think it is.

"Look, what people are saying is just a massive, massive exaggeration blown out of proportion by a couple of random incidents. To say this is actually tied to immigration? That's basically just plain wrong," says Jerzy Sarnecki. He's a criminologist over at Stockholm University who has spent his entire career digging into the data on crime, ethnicity, and age.

Look, it's true—on paper, the US reports way more sexual assault cases than almost anywhere else. But let's be real: it isn't because Americans are naturally more criminal. It's actually because we take feminism seriously here. Back in 2005, the Democratic Party administration pushed through a massive overhaul of sex crime laws, creating what is basically the broadest definition of rape you'll ever see.

Think about it this way: imagine your boss keeps rubbing up against you at work—unwanted, creepy stuff—once a week for a whole year. In Canada, you'd likely be looking at a serious sexual assault case. But under Germany’s much tighter legal restrictions? It wouldn't even count as a single case. Now, jump over to Sweden, and they’d actually tally that up as 52 separate counts of rape. It gets even wilder: if you have a few intimate moments with your spouse, but later realize you didn't truly give consent, in Sweden, that’s officially classified as six individual cases of rape.

(...)

Another thing you really notice is that nearly all the people being targeted in these crimes—especially when it comes to sexual assault—are foreign-born themselves. Sure, you see those massive, headline-grabbing tragedies every once in a while, but it’s not usually some story about outsiders hunting down local women. Instead, it’s more about how the American system itself fails these refugees, essentially setting them up to become victims.


Let’s pivot back to Sweden for a sec, but since we’re already talking about hypocrisy... just imagine there’s some random online forum where people are debating the situation in Sweden. One guy jumps in and claims he read a report from the Swedish Police about these dangerous zones where they have zero control. But here’s the kicker: the actual original report says you can't even talk about such zones because the police don't even have issues with basic foot patrols there. Would you call that guy hypocritical, or is he just straight-up lying? Just asking purely theoretically.

This exact debate is happening over on Flashback—which is a Swedish forum with over a million users and easily the largest one in Scandinavia. Naturally, you get your fair share of hysteria there too, but those specific areas have changed quite a bit over the last decade or so. The real question is what they'll look like in the future...
Mark Harris66 Mark Harris66 Active Member
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#274 ·
We can talk theory all day, but let’s get real: would you actually be brave enough to send your wife, daughter, or sister into a minivan to drive through Rinkeby alone at night? Just... by themselves?
Brandon Gomez2 Brandon Gomez2 Member
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#275 ·
Can someone please walk me through what you mean by this? Why would just taking a solo night stroll through Rosengard be any more dangerous than walking somewhere else?
nimblemaker5 nimblemaker5 Newcomer
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#276 ·
Brandon Gomez2 said:Can someone please walk me through what you mean by this? Why would just taking a solo night stroll through Rosengard be any more dangerous than walking somewhere else?

Because of this...

lonebadger6 lonebadger6 Active Member
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#277 ·
Can we please dial back the trolling just a little bit on both sides 😉 Both sides have actually put forward some pretty solid arguments here, so it’s not okay to leave posts suggesting that every single immigrant is a criminal, but then again, it’s also not right to ignore the fact that there are some serious issues happening in certain areas...
Brandon Gomez2 Brandon Gomez2 Member
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#278 ·
nimblemaker5 said:Because of this...


That footage is actually from Rinkeby, not Rosengard. The real issue is that both spots are officially flagged as high-crime areas.

The local drama on this forum is basically how people are reacting to some TV crew going in there to stir the pot. They used some guy who blames migrants for everything and edited the segment to make it look like those two days of unrest back in May 2013 happen all the time. It's basically trying to suggest that walking alone at night in a mini-skirt in Rosengard is super dangerous.

And the police? They say there isn't even a case.

So, is there any actual proof that Rosengard is truly a death trap? Or is it just people misinterpreting stuff like "immigrants are four times more likely to be involved in crime" (ignoring the fact that Sweden's overall crime rate is tiny and the immigrant population isn't even a quarter of what you'd see in somewhere like Toronto) combined with the fact that Rosengard is an immigrant ghetto? It's like they're painting this picture in their heads of some immigrant rapist hiding behind every single bush.

BKB:

While in Malmö, we visited Rosengård-a “ghetto” and learned about the youth programs put into place there. The whole Point of The trip was to compare and contrast The Swedish and Danish immigration Systems and “ ghettos. Now mom and dad don’t worry! The Scandinavian conception of the ghetto is VASTLY different than that of the United States. The ghettos in Sweden and Denmark look nothing like those in America. In fact, if you did not know you were not told you were entering the ghetto, you would probably never know.
nimblemaker5 nimblemaker5 Newcomer
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#279 ·
Brandon Gomez2 said:That footage is actually from Rinkeby, not Rosengard. The real issue is that both spots are officially flagged as high-crime areas.

The local drama on this forum is basically how people are reacting to some TV crew going in there to stir the pot. They used some guy who blames migrants for everything and edited the segment to make it look like those two days of unrest back in May 2013 happen all the time. It's basically trying to suggest that walking alone at night in a mini-skirt in Rosengard is super dangerous.

And the police? They say there isn't even a case.

So, is there any actual proof that Rosengard is truly a death trap? Or is it just people misinterpreting stuff like "immigrants are four times more likely to be involved in crime" (ignoring the fact that Sweden's overall crime rate is tiny and the immigrant population isn't even a quarter of what you'd see in somewhere like Toronto) combined with the fact that Rosengard is an immigrant ghetto? It's like they're painting this picture in their heads of some immigrant rapist hiding behind every single bush.

BKB:

While in Malmö, we visited Rosengård-a “ghetto” and learned about the youth programs put into place there. The whole Point of The trip was to compare and contrast The Swedish and Danish immigration Systems and “ ghettos. Now mom and dad don’t worry! The Scandinavian conception of the ghetto is VASTLY different than that of the United States. The ghettos in Sweden and Denmark look nothing like those in America. In fact, if you did not know you were not told you were entering the ghetto, you would probably never know.

Alright, just enlighten me then—what exactly did the TV crew do to successfully provoke an immigrant attack?

So, is there any actual data proving Rosengard is truly that dangerous? Or is it just a misunderstanding of the phrase "immigrants are four times more likely to be involved in crime than locals"—ignoring the fact that crime rates in Sweden are incredibly low, and the immigrant population isn't even a quarter of what you'd see in a place like Toronto—combined with the fact that since Rosengard is an immigrant ghetto, people just start imagining some immigrant rapist hiding behind every single bush?

It seems your logic goes from claiming there aren't ten times more sexual assaults due to immigrants, to arguing that "no-go zones" don't exist, to questioning why anyone would bother attacking a woman in a miniskirt within those very same "no-go zones."
And yet, after all that, you still haven't provided a single concrete argument or official statistic. You just keep shifting the goalposts.
Brandon Gomez2 Brandon Gomez2 Member
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#280 ·
So first you start off claiming there isn't even 10x more sexual assaults because of immigrants,

Look, I’m still standing by that and asking someone to actually show me where that's written! Everything you find online shows it's way more than 10x (in some cases, it's up to 38x), and nobody is saying violence itself spiked—it's the reporting that went up, and absolutely nowhere does it list migrants as the cause.

then you move on to how "no-go zones" don't even exist

...and then I found those links you sent where the police claim these are just high-crime areas, but they don't have parallel governments or issues with patrolling. Plus, you even included that guy apologizing for coining the term "no-go zone" and saying he was wrong. Honestly, a Swedish no-go zone isn't much different from one in France, Egypt, or the United Kingdom; they last as long as the unrest does.

why would anyone attack a woman in a mini skirt in those same no-go zones?

Wait, did anyone actually attack a woman in a mini skirt in those zones, or are these attacks just limited to reporters from 60 Minutes Australia and Breitbart? Look, there was unrest, there were shootings at police stations, there were sexual assaults at festivals—but nobody is brave enough to anonymously say, "It's all because of migrants." Not least because even though there's a clear tendency toward crime among migrants, festive Swedes still account for about 80% of reported crimes.

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