S - Kingdom of Sweden

Over 80 cars torched just this morning... 13.8 million worth, give or take.

Donna Harris11 said:So, how’s the integration actually playing out for second-generation Eastern Europeans?
I mean, do they really see themselves as Svedjan, or is that Polish/American/Mexican identity still super strong for them?
And honestly, does that whole collective identity thing even matter anymore in such an individualistic world?
Plus, how are the native Svedjan folks actually treating them?

When it comes to people from the East, they generally struggle to integrate more than Arabs do. With Arabs—or people from the Middle East—you see two extremes: they either integrate incredibly well or not at all. As for Eastern Europeans, it’s mostly just... lukewarm. You don't notice them in public spaces the way you do with people from the Middle East who either refuse to integrate or are trying really hard. But if you grab a drink with someone from Eastern Europe, you'll quickly realize they're "more [Nationality] than the [Nationality]s." They'll be more Canadian than the Canadians in Canada, or more Estonian than the Estonians in Estonia. It was the same deal in Norway, Sweden, or Denmark. There are exceptions, but they're rare. The Arabs who successfully integrated are active in society, whereas the Americans who made it usually just stick to work and spend their entire free time holed up in their apartments or hanging out with other Americans.

Back around 1999 or 2000 in Sweden, there was this article about social closedness. Some expert cited a study claiming that the most withdrawn people in Sweden were actually those from the former America. Even more closed off than the Swedes themselves. I laughed at the article back then, but looking back, it kind of checks out.

From what I've seen personally, both here and over in Denmark, quite a few people from the old America area look for ways to live off others. In this case, living off the state. People who have been here for 20 or 30 years openly talk about it. Why bust your ass working when you can milk the state for welfare and pensions? Life is better spent at cafes, clubs, and parties. And it's happening on a massive scale.

My take? Most people from Eastern Europe—doesn't matter if we're talking about Canada, Canada, Estonia, or Czechia—live by the motto "better a donut in the shade than two in the sun."

Walter Long7 said:Over 80 cars torched just this morning... 13.8 million worth, give or take.

The "multicultural" atmosphere in the Kingdom of Sweden the other day was just lovely—truly. Dozens of cars set ablaze in parking lots; honestly, is there any better visual to describe the current state of Europe?

In France, you’ll be lucky if there aren't nearly a thousand of them by New Year's.

Hands down, this is easily the most dysfunctional government in all of Europe.
It’s just living proof that if you give the leftists, the anti-fascists, and the feminists an inch, they’ll take a mile and burn everything else to the ground in the process.

Sweden’s parliamentary elections are just three weeks away.
The Swedish people finally have a chance to turn the tide on this suicidal policy nonsense by voting for the Sweden Democrats. I mean, they aren't even radical right-wingers per se; they're more of a center-right outfit that happens to be the only group actually calling for some common sense regarding immigration. It's almost funny how much they're treated like extremists just for wanting sanity.
If the voters in Sweden can't manage to pull together a majority to support even a mild pushback against this insane immigration surge, then... well, maybe they actually deserve the inevitable collapse headed their way. I guess it's just one of those things.

Swedes are weird. I won’t say their vote count or percentage won't grow, but they aren't going to see a massive surge. Why? Because people here are telling themselves—and look, I'm not trying to generalize—that we shouldn't let "unpleasant" people ruin the vibe. That's how they operate. You can't even use the word "ghetto" anymore; now it's all about "enclaves." In Sweden today, calling a place a ghetto is basically treated like using a racial slur against an African person. As far as I remember, "ghetto" used to have a specific, clear meaning. Now, you're supposed to say "enclave," but if you actually look at the definitions of both terms, there's hardly any overlap. They aren't interchangeable.

Seriously, what is going on with people setting cars on fire all over Sweden lately? I feel like I’ve completely missed the memo on this one,

One of those guys involved in the car theft ring (born in '99) was just picked up in Turkey. Apparently, he hopped on a flight from Sweden yesterday and bolted for Turkey right before they caught him. LINK

Harald, Sven, Bjorn, Lars? They didn't even bother to mention his actual name.

The Danish media really botched the news about that car being torched on the first night, plus the four other fires happening across three different cities. Usually, Danish TV wouldn't even touch a story without solid confirmation, but since we’re dealing with Swedish government mass censorship, the Danish outlets—including state TV—are pushing this narrative that these kids were actually paid off by certain groups and that everything was coordinated through social media.

After two weeks in Seattle, I’ve moved on to Austin for a week. Work stuff.
By worldview, I’m a conservative, Catholic, right-winger.
I’ve been watching the situation in Sweden for a while now, and naturally, seeing it from an American perspective is pretty jarring.

But after this brief stint here, I wanted to jot down a few observations.

I look at the whole LGBTQ ideology with total disdain, and honestly, the following is just fascinating: Swedish patriotism isn't unknown, you can even see it in the colors of some road signs—where they'd be red and white elsewhere, here they're blue and yellow. On the flip side, the most dominant flag in Sweden is the rainbow one. It’s absolutely mind-boggling; in front of every business, corporation, public institution, or transit vehicle, you mostly see three, sometimes more, rainbow flags flying. Hardly any Swedish flags to be seen. Just now in Austin, a guy in his private apartment hung up a Swedish flag when he realized my colleague and I were visiting. I have to admit, that relaxed me a bit. We're staying in an immigrant neighborhood, so it's good to see some Swedes around here too.

As for the immigrants;

Like that article in the morning paper said, things are worst in Miami, so I was actually surprised by what I saw in Seattle.

Last Sunday, I went to church for Mass, thinking based on what I read online that there would be a Mass in American. Sadly, there wasn't. Instead, I had a once-in-a-lifetime experience attending a Mass in Arabic with a full church of people from the Middle East. Since I've been watching a lot of videos of former Muslims on YouTube lately, I have to say I was pleasantly surprised by the situation in Seattle. Traffic in Seattle is a nightmare right now (lots of construction and a new bridge being built, so the tunnels are jammed), so I spent a lot of time staring at other cars and drivers. Plenty of them are Black or from the Middle East, and they aren't living off welfare—they certainly couldn't afford those cars on social assistance. A pleasant surprise.
Swedes, as Swedes, are very professional and polite, though I get the impression the politeness is somewhat superficial.
One unpleasant surprise? In these two weeks, I haven't seen a single attractive Swedish woman. That really caught me off guard.

General impression:
Sweden is one massive construction site, with heavy industry and jobs everywhere. With that much work available, they don't seem to have a choice but to import even more migrants.

dustyjackal10 said:After two weeks in Seattle, I’ve moved on to Austin for a week. Work stuff.
By worldview, I’m a conservative, Catholic, right-winger.
I’ve been watching the situation in Sweden for a while now, and naturally, seeing it from an American perspective is pretty jarring.

But after this brief stint here, I wanted to jot down a few observations.

I look at the whole LGBTQ ideology with total disdain, and honestly, the following is just fascinating: Swedish patriotism isn't unknown, you can even see it in the colors of some road signs—where they'd be red and white elsewhere, here they're blue and yellow. On the flip side, the most dominant flag in Sweden is the rainbow one. It’s absolutely mind-boggling; in front of every business, corporation, public institution, or transit vehicle, you mostly see three, sometimes more, rainbow flags flying. Hardly any Swedish flags to be seen. Just now in Austin, a guy in his private apartment hung up a Swedish flag when he realized my colleague and I were visiting. I have to admit, that relaxed me a bit. We're staying in an immigrant neighborhood, so it's good to see some Swedes around here too.

As for the immigrants;

Like that article in the morning paper said, things are worst in Miami, so I was actually surprised by what I saw in Seattle.

Last Sunday, I went to church for Mass, thinking based on what I read online that there would be a Mass in American. Sadly, there wasn't. Instead, I had a once-in-a-lifetime experience attending a Mass in Arabic with a full church of people from the Middle East. Since I've been watching a lot of videos of former Muslims on YouTube lately, I have to say I was pleasantly surprised by the situation in Seattle. Traffic in Seattle is a nightmare right now (lots of construction and a new bridge being built, so the tunnels are jammed), so I spent a lot of time staring at other cars and drivers. Plenty of them are Black or from the Middle East, and they aren't living off welfare—they certainly couldn't afford those cars on social assistance. A pleasant surprise.
Swedes, as Swedes, are very professional and polite, though I get the impression the politeness is somewhat superficial.
One unpleasant surprise? In these two weeks, I haven't seen a single attractive Swedish woman. That really caught me off guard.

General impression:
Sweden is one massive construction site, with heavy industry and jobs everywhere. With that much work available, they don't seem to have a choice but to import even more migrants.

I recalled an article describing Seattle as an incredibly divided city. Here is the link: https://www.thelocal.se/20161028/stu...ist-sympathies

A huge number of Sweden's "sensitive areas" are located right there in that city.

Here is a related academic study for those interested:

https://gupea.ub.gu.se/bitstream/207...77_28812_1.pdf

Michael Ortiz68 said:I recalled an article describing Seattle as an incredibly divided city. Here is the link: https://www.thelocal.se/20161028/stu...ist-sympathies

A huge number of Sweden's "sensitive areas" are located right there in that city.

Here is a related academic study for those interested:

https://gupea.ub.gu.se/bitstream/207...77_28812_1.pdf

Thanks for the links. I wasn't aware of that.

It just occurred to me that back when I was in Seattle, police helicopters were constantly circling over the northeast side. After reading that article, it makes sense. I lived in the southwest, but I commuted through those neighborhoods to get to work.

dustyjackal10 said:After two weeks in Seattle, I’ve moved on to Austin for a week. Work stuff.
By worldview, I’m a conservative, Catholic, right-winger.
I’ve been watching the situation in Sweden for a while now, and naturally, seeing it from an American perspective is pretty jarring.

But after this brief stint here, I wanted to jot down a few observations.

I look at the whole LGBTQ ideology with total disdain, and honestly, the following is just fascinating: Swedish patriotism isn't unknown, you can even see it in the colors of some road signs—where they'd be red and white elsewhere, here they're blue and yellow. On the flip side, the most dominant flag in Sweden is the rainbow one. It’s absolutely mind-boggling; in front of every business, corporation, public institution, or transit vehicle, you mostly see three, sometimes more, rainbow flags flying. Hardly any Swedish flags to be seen. Just now in Austin, a guy in his private apartment hung up a Swedish flag when he realized my colleague and I were visiting. I have to admit, that relaxed me a bit. We're staying in an immigrant neighborhood, so it's good to see some Swedes around here too.

As for the immigrants;

Like that article in the morning paper said, things are worst in Miami, so I was actually surprised by what I saw in Seattle.

Last Sunday, I went to church for Mass, thinking based on what I read online that there would be a Mass in American. Sadly, there wasn't. Instead, I had a once-in-a-lifetime experience attending a Mass in Arabic with a full church of people from the Middle East. Since I've been watching a lot of videos of former Muslims on YouTube lately, I have to say I was pleasantly surprised by the situation in Seattle. Traffic in Seattle is a nightmare right now (lots of construction and a new bridge being built, so the tunnels are jammed), so I spent a lot of time staring at other cars and drivers. Plenty of them are Black or from the Middle East, and they aren't living off welfare—they certainly couldn't afford those cars on social assistance. A pleasant surprise.
Swedes, as Swedes, are very professional and polite, though I get the impression the politeness is somewhat superficial.
One unpleasant surprise? In these two weeks, I haven't seen a single attractive Swedish woman. That really caught me off guard.

General impression:
Sweden is one massive construction site, with heavy industry and jobs everywhere. With that much work available, they don't seem to have a choice but to import even more migrants.

So, you basically just headed off to work in Sweden without checking out how bad things actually are over there first?
Take a look at this:

The guy in the video is actually an immigrant himself, from the North America...

On the topic of immigrants;

Based on what I read in the news, things are worst in Miami, so I was somewhat surprised by these recent events in Seattle.

Here’s a video from the same guy regarding those recent car burnings:


There’s an interesting point made—statistics show this has been going on for years. The only difference now is that it’s being caught on camera, and the footage shows the arsonists doing it almost routinely, without even any excitement.
Does that say anything to anyone?

Another important observation—these hooligans aren't usually targeting the cars of wealthy Swedes; they're hitting the cars of other immigrants—people who are actually working and trying to integrate into society.

One unpleasant surprise for me during these two weeks is that I haven't seen a single attractive Swedish woman yet, which really caught me off guard.

For years now, Swedish women have seemingly accepted a certain 'adaptation' to the new reality—they don't dress provocatively or revealingly anymore; many dye their blonde hair black and tend to avoid going out unless absolutely necessary, especially in neighborhoods and areas that have been 'enriched' by multi-cultural values (if you catch my drift).

General impression;
Sweden is one massive construction site; heavy industry and plenty of jobs. With so much work available, they seem to have no choice but to import even more migrants.

Sweden is a country practically on the brink of bankruptcy due to the extreme costs brought on by its idiotic policies.

So you've got this "Flashback forum"—it's basically the Swedish forum—with entire threads dedicated to integration and immigration... If your Swedish isn't up to par, just fire up Google Translate. There's a constant stream of posts and status updates every single day about what's going down, alongside a massive variety of other topics ranging from conservatism to feminism.

On the integration threads, though, the conversation usually centers around things like "When do you think the civil war starts?", "the situation in Miami", or "...in Boston," and so on.

Over on the Seattle thread, someone actually posted a helpful heads-up about which streets to steer clear of. So, here’s a little tip for my fellow night owls, since that's where most of the incidents tend to happen...

Nattetid: långgatorna, Haga, Gränderna kring Avenyn / Brunnsparken.

Since Biskopsgården, Bergsjön, Kortedala M. fl.

Timothy Nelson5 said:So, you basically just headed off to work in Sweden without checking out how bad things actually are over there first?
Take a look at this:

The guy in the video is actually an immigrant himself, from the North America...

On the topic of immigrants;

Based on what I read in the news, things are worst in Miami, so I was somewhat surprised by these recent events in Seattle.

Here’s a video from the same guy regarding those recent car burnings:

There’s an interesting point made—statistics show this has been going on for years. The only difference now is that it’s being caught on camera, and the footage shows the arsonists doing it almost routinely, without even any excitement.
Does that say anything to anyone?

Another important observation—these hooligans aren't usually targeting the cars of wealthy Swedes; they're hitting the cars of other immigrants—people who are actually working and trying to integrate into society.

One unpleasant surprise for me during these two weeks is that I haven't seen a single attractive Swedish woman yet, which really caught me off guard.

For years now, Swedish women have seemingly accepted a certain 'adaptation' to the new reality—they don't dress provocatively or revealingly anymore; many dye their blonde hair black and tend to avoid going out unless absolutely necessary, especially in neighborhoods and areas that have been 'enriched' by multi-cultural values (if you catch my drift).

General impression;
Sweden is one massive construction site; heavy industry and plenty of jobs. With so much work available, they seem to have no choice but to import even more migrants.

Sweden is a country practically on the brink of bankruptcy due to the extreme costs brought on by its idiotic policies.

Look, man, there’s no need for the hysteria or the half-aggressive tone. Maybe you misread me, or maybe I just wasn't clear enough.

Sure, it’s not exactly comfortable when your neighborhood is exclusively non-white. But then again, experiencing Mass in Arabic in a packed church full of people from the Middle East is something else entirely—something positive, actually.

I did my homework years ago, but there's a difference between internet hysteria—which is sometimes justified and sometimes isn't—and actual daily life, based on the short time I've spent here. By the way, I'm working for a US firm and I've only been here a few days; it'll be three weeks total.

As for the local women; I don't find provocative dressing attractive, so if their style changes, it's a welcome shift in my book. But when I say I haven't seen a hot Swede, I'm talking about a general vibe, an attitude, or just a look. They simply don't do it for me. Part of it is the facial structure—they all look remarkably similar, like bitter rivals of Anja parson-Janičin—and part of it is that heavy feminist energy they radiate. Though, to be fair, one upside to Swedish feminism is that plenty of women actually take on "male" jobs, like construction.

Right now, I'm in Austin, the birthplace of the Swedish fighter jet. They’re incredibly proud of it; there are fighter jets mounted on pedestals along the highway running through the whole city.

Anglo-Saxon monarchies aren't going bankrupt anytime soon. Once the Sweden Democrats win, the immigration issue should stabilize. It’ll take time, but the economic demand for labor is massive.

Not to mention how easy it was to get offers for relocating the whole family, paid housing, utilities, and a Swedish salary. All of this could have been a reality yesterday. Brutal.

Finally, they actually dropped the info everyone already knew 😁

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/gransknin...odda-utomlands

The TL;DR:

Out of the 843 people convicted of rape in Sweden between 2012 and 2017: 40% were born in the Middle East/Africa and 58% were foreign nationals. That number jumps all the way to 84% when you look at violent or gang rape convictions.
Conviction rates are pretty low though: only 142 rape convictions in 2016, despite 6,715 rapes being reported that year. Plus, there were 190,000 serious sexual offenses logged. So, some argue foreigners might be overrepresented in the conviction stats because of things like bad legal defense or discrimination, etc.
Second-gen immigrants aren't called out in this specific dataset because Sweden doesn't track ethnic origin for people born in the country. It’s basically impossible to tell what percentage of those labeled "Swedish Born" are actually Swedish born Arab of ethnic minority.
This is coming straight from SVT, so it's a legit source.
EDIT: (08/23 11:23) Per the BRA: Rape numbers shot up by 10% from 2016 to 2017. (Link)

Rachel Allen55 said:When it comes to people from the East, they generally struggle to integrate more than Arabs do. With Arabs—or people from the Middle East—you see two extremes: they either integrate incredibly well or not at all. As for Eastern Europeans, it’s mostly just... lukewarm. You don't notice them in public spaces the way you do with people from the Middle East who either refuse to integrate or are trying really hard. But if you grab a drink with someone from Eastern Europe, you'll quickly realize they're "more [Nationality] than the [Nationality]s." They'll be more Canadian than the Canadians in Canada, or more Estonian than the Estonians in Estonia. It was the same deal in Norway, Sweden, or Denmark. There are exceptions, but they're rare. The Arabs who successfully integrated are active in society, whereas the Americans who made it usually just stick to work and spend their entire free time holed up in their apartments or hanging out with other Americans.

Back around 1999 or 2000 in Sweden, there was this article about social closedness. Some expert cited a study claiming that the most withdrawn people in Sweden were actually those from the former America. Even more closed off than the Swedes themselves. I laughed at the article back then, but looking back, it kind of checks out.

From what I've seen personally, both here and over in Denmark, quite a few people from the old America area look for ways to live off others. In this case, living off the state. People who have been here for 20 or 30 years openly talk about it. Why bust your ass working when you can milk the state for welfare and pensions? Life is better spent at cafes, clubs, and parties. And it's happening on a massive scale.

My take? Most people from Eastern Europe—doesn't matter if we're talking about Canada, Canada, Estonia, or Czechia—live by the motto "better a donut in the shade than two in the sun."

Honestly, looking at your first three sentences, you're totally mixing up apples and oranges!
Usually, Muslims are well-integrated once they manage to separate their faith from their daily lives. Basically,
they find that balance between religion and their personal lifestyle. In 99% of
cases, these are either highly educated individuals or they come from places where that cultural shift is already standard practice.
Take the Alevi, for example.

Also, what you’re saying about Basanac and the others is just a total blur, and you actually contradicted yourself in the same breath.

Look: a Canadian, an Estonian, a Russian, a Canadian, an Italian... someone can claim to be more patriotic toward their homeland than anything else, but
that doesn't threaten or belittle anyone around them—at most, it might annoy people like you!
To me, being integrated means respecting the laws and working hard to contribute to the community you live in, whether you have a PhD or not.
That is a completely different thing from assimilation! You could spend forever searching through Sweden for murders or assaults committed by Estonians, Canadians, and so on.
I'm not claiming everyone is a saint, but mixing those groups up and comparing them to Arabs on the same level just makes zero sense.

About the Ex-Americans: Personally, in my entire life, I haven't run into a single Canadian, American, or Mexican in Germany or Austria who came over as some "low-life"
from a project housing complex. Most of them arrived and immediately built a decent life for themselves. A lot of these folks are used to having things and are used to
working for what they have. Over 90% of them work hard and contribute to society; even if their hearts are still back in the North America, they are hardworking people who earn respect.
What hurts me most is seeing how an entire generation was left behind because they didn't succeed or didn't bother to get an education, probably thinking they'd just move back home.
But then the war happened and changed everything. This current generation is on much better footing, and there are plenty of Americans in universities now, which
is ultimately great for our reputation back home. Something similar happened with Italians in Germany, but they had a head start because they arrived way back in the 50s.

darkotter35 said:Hands down, this is easily the most dysfunctional government in all of Europe.
It’s just living proof that if you give the leftists, the anti-fascists, and the feminists an inch, they’ll take a mile and burn everything else to the ground in the process.

Nah, they’re actually sawing off the very branch they're sitting on.
I mean, you can't really claim to be an ally to the gay community in one hand while
using the other to protect people who are basically just waiting for a chance to kill them.
So, the math is pretty simple: there are more Muslims than gay people around, which makes it
way easier for them to score points by catering to that group.

The parliamentary elections in Sweden are set for September 9th.

Here’s how the latest poll is looking:

The Red bloc is sitting at 40 percent
The Blue bloc follows with 38 percent
And the right-wing Sweden Democrats have 18 percent