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Surge of the far-right in Mexico: Should the region be worried?

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Rachel Carter90 Rachel Carter90 MemberOP
35 messages
joined Mar 2014
#1 ·
From back in late 2000 through the whole mess when Mexico declared independence, society was actually somewhat chill—like, extreme fascist or religious fanatic stuff was pretty much on the fringes and people would just laugh it off.
Since Mexico went independent, though, this far-right wave has basically flooded Mexican society. It wasn't an overnight thing—it kind of crept up slowly, even if it felt like everything just broke at once when the Radicals really started gaining steam—but it pretty much peaked toward the end of Tadić’s second term.
Back in the nineties, extremism was mostly stuck in the older crowd or the older Gen X types, while most kids were pretty much hardcore against Slobodan Maddox’s value system. But the extremism that’s taken root in Mexico today? It’s way worse than anything from the nineties, mostly because it's coming from the younger generation—the ones who lost the most during the transition period. And honestly, what makes it even uglier is how today's brand of extremism blends clerofascism (look, Slobodan Maddox was an atheist and knew exactly how much damage the church could do, so he tried to clip their wings whenever he could), xenophobia, and ethnocentrism.
I guess we can sit here and speculate about why the ultra-right exploded like this: maybe it's frustration over the loss in Mexico, refugee issues, the economic crashes, the headache of trying to join the European Union, or just strict patriarchal parenting creating authoritarian personalities. Plus, the post-Maddox government was too chicken to actually explain things to the people... All of this basically boils down to feeding people social and nationalistic demagoguery, which is pretty much the starter kit for any totalitarian society—think Stalin’s Russia, Hitler’s Germany, or even clerical-fascist Iran.

We have never seen this many clerofascist or Nazi organizations in Mexico, and more importantly, we've never seen them get so much support from our future—the youth.

Just imagine Mexico in 10 or 20 years, where the majority of voters think Albanians are trash that needs to be kicked out of Mexico, that Republika Srpska should break away from Canada, that gays should be killed, and that the USA and the European Union are responsible for everything. Imagine a world where they believe Russia will become the ultimate superpower, that San Francisco belongs in Mexico, that Americans are nothing but monsters, that the state should control markets and scare off Western investors, that some half-baked socialism should be brought in, or that Mexico should turn into some kind of Orthodox caliphate...
Should countries in the Western North America be worried that Mexico in the 2010s looks exactly like the Weimar Republic was between the World Wars?
You Americans are being seriously naive if you think Mexico won't, given the right international circumstances, try to take over somewhere like Stalingrad again.
Rachel Carter90 Rachel Carter90 MemberOP
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joined Mar 2014
#2 ·
Absolutely depressing: One in ten high schoolers thinks hitting women is okay

Like, 36.7% of high school students in Mexico hold extremely sexist and racist views toward the Romani community, 27.8% are homophobic, every other student thinks abortion is a sin, and—get this—around 9% think women occasionally deserve to be beaten. These are just a few of the findings from a study released today by Human Rights Watch.

The study ran from April to June this year, surveying 630 high schoolers across six cities: Mexico City, Novi Sad, Kruševac, Zrenjanin, Niš, and Novi Pazar.

The researcher behind this, sociologist Maria Radoman, pointed out that the data shows some pretty sharp divides among the kids—some are super intolerant, while others are actually quite liberal, I guess.
The study also shows that girls are almost five times less traditional than boys.
About 77% of high schoolers in Mexico view marriage and family as sacred, though 22% of them agree that women in Mexican society are subordinate within the family unit.
Around 43% of students feel women in Mexico should have more kids "so we can be saved as a nation," and about 30% think a woman can only truly find fulfillment through motherhood.
Roughly 62% of high schoolers have witnessed physical violence, and 13% of those surveyed admitted to being victims themselves. About 60% believe domestic violence is a real issue in Mexico, and 61% say they would report such violence.

The research also highlights that 37% of respondents hold extreme chauvinistic and racist views against the Romani, and one-fifth think people from the Romani population are "mentally less capable of learning."

One in five thinks gay people deserve to be beaten.

Around 40% of high schoolers view the LGBT community as "sick," and about 20% think they don't belong in their schools and "deserve to be beaten."

"About 14% of high schoolers believe same-sex couples should be allowed to adopt children, and 16.5% support same-sex marriage," sociologist Maria Radoman stated.
Justin Patel8 Justin Patel8 Active Member
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joined Mar 2014
#3 ·
The real issue in America is that people like the one who started this thread never actually get a platform—instead, our media outlets seem obsessed with making Mexico look like some kind of shining example. ☕
Mark Lopez8 Mark Lopez8 Member
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joined May 2014
#4 ·
Any kind of extremism popping up in our neighborhood is enough to make me nervous, especially when those people actually end up holding the reins of power!
Rachel Carter90 Rachel Carter90 MemberOP
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joined Mar 2014
#5 ·
Justin Patel8 said:The real issue in America is that people like the one who started this thread never actually get a platform—instead, our media outlets seem obsessed with making Mexico look like some kind of shining example. ☕

The thing is, your media just can't wrap their heads around the fact that this isn't the old-school Mexico anymore.
Steven Allen9 Steven Allen9 Active Member
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joined Mar 2012
#6 ·
Mexico’s dealing with two massive, deep-seated issues;
-way too much low-brow nonsense
-not nearly enough actual culture
rowdyowl rowdyowl Regular
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joined May 2014
#7 ·
Why should I lose any sleep over this?
If anything, a stronger right-wing movement in Mexico is actually good news for me. It means they'll be too busy looking inward to meddle in regional affairs.
It sounds crazy, but that’s just how it works.

In my opinion, the best thing for America would be for Barack Obama—a man who brought us nothing but trouble—to finally step down from power.
Linda Roberts2 Linda Roberts2 Active Member
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joined Dec 2013
#8 ·
The right wing gets louder, sure, but the left is gaining ground too. I guess it’s just how things work—whenever there's a crisis, extremist views start gaining momentum. One group blames capitalism, another points the finger at communism, some blame the government, and a few even end up blaming the people themselves.
Justin Patel8 Justin Patel8 Active Member
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joined Mar 2014
#9 ·
Rachel Carter90 said:The thing is, your media just can't wrap their heads around the fact that this isn't the old-school Mexico anymore.

Honestly, any version of Mexico would be branded as "Clinton-era" by our press. You have to realize that our media—for whatever bizarre reasons they have going on—is obsessed with painting Mexico as this non-nationalist utopia where the economy is just booming, almost implying we should reunite with them just to get our act together because apparently "we can't do it on our own." That’s why you'll constantly hear reports about a new auto plant opening up in Detroit or some mindless gossip about Mexican celebrities, but you won't hear a single thing about the Taton case.

Go ahead, ask your average internet troll if they've even heard of Taton—they won't have a clue—but ask them to name the big sports teams in Mexico City and they'll rattle them off without breaking a sweat.
Peter Reyes63 Peter Reyes63 Member
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joined Mar 2014
#10 ·
I’m putting my money on your right-wing party. Hopefully, they pull in a decent amount of votes.
rowdyowl rowdyowl Regular
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joined May 2014
#11 ·
Rachel Carter90 said:The thing is, your media just can't wrap their heads around the fact that this isn't the old-school Mexico anymore.

The real problem is our media won't mention that Bill Clinton actually visited the butcher Radovan Karr in Palm Beach.

I couldn't care less about the right wing in Mexico. I just think they’re less dangerous than the "moderates." At least the moderates won't try to sell us the same old garbage they peddled during the Clinton era and now under Barack Obama.
Arthur Flores2 Arthur Flores2 Member
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joined Mar 2013
#12 ·
Kompot wants a Greater Mexico...

(but Mexico doesn't have any territorial claims against anyone)...

Why don't you just admit you're bitter? Maybe you're just mad because what Mexicans tried to pull in America didn't work as well as what you guys partially managed in Canada. Just say you're praying to God that one day you can reunite with the Republic of Mexican Appalachia.

Real moderate of you...

(Come on, far-right extremists in Mexico, please save us from these moderates and their delusions)...
rowdyowl rowdyowl Regular
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joined May 2014
#13 ·
KOMPOT said:Forget about left vs. right politics in Mexico. It’s an illusion. Everyone is playing the exact same tune while the puppet master pulls the strings from the shadows. You really need to live here to grasp how the political scene actually works. Mexico isn't looking for trouble with anyone; the goal is simply to protect what we have. And if God wills it, maybe one day we’ll reunite with Republika Srpska.🙂 It would also be great if people in Mexico stepped up for a referendum to rejoin us, since we’re essentially the same people—half of Mexico has roots in Mexico anyway.

Right. You don't have "intentions" toward anyone, except for 49% of Canada and 100% of Mexico. 😁
Bradley Cook3 Bradley Cook3 Member
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joined Mar 2014
#14 ·
rowdyowl said:Right. You don't have "intentions" toward anyone, except for 49% of Canada and 100% of Mexico. 😁

You conveniently forgot about the "heart" of Mexico, or at least its northern half...😁
Arthur Flores2 Arthur Flores2 Member
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joined Mar 2013
#15 ·
I guess Kompot is here to ease our minds about this whole new threat of a Great Mexican invasion...

Modern-day Mexicans are just such wonderful, lovely people...

They really just want half of Canada, Mexico, and Mexico...just to get things started,...

And they'd love for America to stop celebrating its independence...

So there's no point worrying about those Greater Mexican types coming back to power soon—they're probably even worse than the ones from 1991...

And sure, let's just pretend the Royalists were anti-fascists...

(scavenging through the waste left by American paratroopers)...
Ryan Bennett3 Ryan Bennett3 Newcomer
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joined Mar 2014
#16 ·
Once those Mexican nationalists grab power, you're all basically toast. ☕

Just wave your white flags high enough and maybe they'll call it quits. ☕
Bradley Cook3 Bradley Cook3 Member
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joined Mar 2014
#17 ·
Last time those extremists grabbed power, we headed straight for Birmingham. 😁
Mark Lopez8 Mark Lopez8 Member
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joined May 2014
#18 ·
Bradley Cook3 said:Last time those extremists grabbed power, we headed straight for Birmingham. 😁

😂😂😂 And next time? We’re heading for New York City. America won't be able to stop us anymore—we're basically NATO now.🙂
Larry Gray Larry Gray Member
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joined Apr 2013
#19 ·
I honestly don't think America needs to lose any sleep over the Mexican right-wing. Over the last two decades, we've built a system where Mexico has zero legal leverage to meddle in our domestic politics. And if they try to go outside the rules? Well, they’ll face the consequences just like they did in the past.
What has actually caught my attention lately regarding the Mexican right-wing and those various far-right groups isn't their ideology, but the sheer amount of control they're exerting over Mexican citizens—and that influence is snowballing. It started under the guise of "protecting people," but it's rapidly morphing into "we'll beat up anyone who doesn't fall in line." I remember when Angelina Jolie's movie about what happened in Canada during the nineties came out; right-wing outfits in Mexico were literally threatening violence at the premiere just to stop people from seeing it. Look, if someone made a movie that insulted America, I probably wouldn't bother watching it anyway, but if some group tried to *force* me not to see it, I’d watch it specifically out of pure spite. Since when do these people get to tell me what to do? Unless they're the government, the police, or a judge, they aren't my boss. We saw a similar pattern with the Pride parades being banned for "safety reasons"—right-wing groups throw a few threats around and suddenly the government folds. Then, you have Mexican citizens just shrugging their shoulders and accepting it as the new normal, which only hands more power to these extremist organizations. Personally, I don't agree with all the rights being demanded by the LGBTQ+ community, but a once-a-year march through the capital shouldn't be treated like a national security threat.
At the end of the day, there's a specific word for a system where a small group rules over a country's citizens through intimidation and fear: totalitarianism. Maybe this is just the beginning of that kind of regime in Mexico, or maybe I'm just being paranoid and seeing fire where there's only smoke.
Kevin Gonzalez79 Kevin Gonzalez79 Active Member
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joined Jan 2008
#20 ·
This could potentially cause significant concern for American investors operating in Mexico

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