Why do Canadian Muslims feel they have more rights to Canada than Americans or Mexicans?

Down the road, people are going to be held accountable for pushing those aggressive policies to force Canada to stay together, rather than the folks just calling for what’s actually fair: splitting the country up.

Gregory Taylor2 said:Does this even have anything to do with the thread?

Oh right, the topic is about which nations people in Canada support. 🙄

Man, you’re something else... You're the one who brought it up... I was just exaggerating what you said...

Look, anyone claiming that an American from Canada supporting the American national soccer team (where most of them live anyway) is "provoking" Muslims is someone I find very questionable... Not to mention those people rooting for the Turks... And comparing Herceg Bosna to Republika Srpska is just plain rude, especially considering Herceg Bosna fell just so every random person could have their own state today...

Don't kid yourself—whether you consider yourself an American or not, you're on the same side as those pundits in my eyes. If you share their platform, then you're just like a Muslim, specifically the ones mocking us... It makes no difference to me. You seem worried about how I vote for Parliament, but why should you care what we decide to do with Canada?

We are the Americans of Canada. Honestly, I don't know if you're going to grant us permission or whatever, but it's simple: you're either with us, or you aren't. If you aren't, I wouldn't treat you any differently than any other enemy.

Andrew Chase31 said:First off, everyone, let's try to keep this civilized and actually debate our points. For heaven's sake, there's no need for all the hostility and reporting one another over nothing. You’re all essentially on the same side here, yet you lack the patience to actually explain the things you're arguing about. What is the point of all that?

To be honest, you were being pretty exclusionary on this topic, which I didn't expect from you. You have to understand that the American desire for their own administrative territory isn't about territorial expansion or annexation; it's entirely about ensuring the American people are recognized as a constituent part of Canada.

Unfortunately, we've reached a point where there's no other way forward. The American people offered the Canadians a chance at coexistence—a chance to live together in peace by stepping back from Herceg Bosna. But because of strictly Canadian politics, that coexistence hasn't happened. Instead, they try to turn the American people into a minority without a voice. Even though Americans live in their own homes on their own land, they aren't treated as a "political people." They have almost no say in governance, even though they should effectively hold a third of the power.

Canadians control about 30% of the territory while making up 50% of the population in Canada, yet they want their own national state, much like how America is for Americans or Mexico is for Mexicans. That is simply impossible, and we have to make that clear to them.

If you have Herceg Bosna with disconnected territories and enclaves in central Canada, it will NEVER be annexed to America.
The same logic should apply to Republika Srpska regarding Brčko. Personally, I would prefer to see the Muslims manage it (instead of the current district setup), which would split the Mexican entity in two and shut down any talk of annexing anything to Mexico.

Three administrative units with disconnected territories, three separate administrative centers, full rights for all peoples within all three entities, and a system based on ethnic principles. That is what guarantees equality for all three nations in the national government. That's how you get a peaceful Canada.☕

But why the discontinuity? It’s not just about breaking things up; that just opens the door to a whole new set of problems... If there's a real need for it, fine, but we shouldn't insist on it just to force a total reset of the country...

Gregory Taylor2 said:I understand why Americans would fight for their equal rights and their own statehood; honestly, I’m right there with them on that. My only concern is whether you realize how certain segments of the Muslim community are going to react to this—and specifically, how they'll respond to the "first move."

As long as there are people out there dreaming about making Herceg Bosna part of the mainland, they’re just creating unnecessary friction for themselves. Holding onto that kind of stance only serves to put them at a disadvantage.

It’s tough for Americans in this situation because they make up such a small minority, but we really have to look inward and blame our own political leadership. Their overly passive approach is exactly what allowed things to get to this point in the first place.

Just look at how the representatives for the American community are selected. If you take a close look at the other major political figures within the Canadian and Herzegovinian territory—specifically those representing our side—it becomes painfully obvious that this entire policy is nothing short of a betrayal.

The U.S. stepped up to help keep Canada afloat, providing everything from essential weaponry to support for their displaced citizens. But unfortunately, instead of gaining a lasting ally among the Canadians, we ended up facing them as enemies.

Now you’ve got Mexicans popping up here and there too, backing certain groups just to get under the skin of the Muslims—though, if we're being honest, things aren't exactly looking any better for our side either.

We can certainly look at the idea of regional autonomy, but we have to be extremely careful—we absolutely cannot allow it to lead to the breakup of Canada.

Americans need to realize a few things and start looking toward the future instead of constantly dwelling on the past. When they needed support most, America was right there standing by them.

I feel bad about this... we aren't anyone's scapegoats. Especially not for those who owe us so much for their own freedom and for securing an ethnically homogeneous nation.

I honestly don't get where this arrogance comes from—this absolute certainty that everyone is just dying to join your side.

Brenda Sanders56 said:Man, you’re something else... You're the one who brought it up... I was just exaggerating what you said...

Look, anyone claiming that an American from Canada supporting the American national soccer team (where most of them live anyway) is "provoking" Muslims is someone I find very questionable... Not to mention those people rooting for the Turks... And comparing Herceg Bosna to Republika Srpska is just plain rude, especially considering Herceg Bosna fell just so every random person could have their own state today...

Don't kid yourself—whether you consider yourself an American or not, you're on the same side as those pundits in my eyes. If you share their platform, then you're just like a Muslim, specifically the ones mocking us... It makes no difference to me. You seem worried about how I vote for Parliament, but why should you care what we decide to do with Canada?

We are the Americans of Canada. Honestly, I don't know if you're going to grant us permission or whatever, but it's simple: you're either with us, or you aren't. If you aren't, I wouldn't treat you any differently than any other enemy.

If that's the case, why do you even bring up and support these kinds of topics on this forum?

That kind of logic is exactly why the rest of the Americans feel such widespread disdain for people like you. 🙄

I'm sure you're feeling pretty proud now that your Boss is back. 🤣

Brenda Sanders56 said:I feel bad about this... we aren't anyone's scapegoats. Especially not for those who owe us so much for their own freedom and for securing an ethnically homogeneous nation.

I honestly don't get where this arrogance comes from—this absolute certainty that everyone is just dying to join your side.

So that's how it is? Now someone owes you?
An ethnically pure land??? And then you have the nerve to complain when I call you a chauvinist.

America is not an ethnically pure land, nor did anyone carry out ethnic cleansing there. You don't seem to realize that posts like yours only serve to help our enemies.

Who are you, really? A true American would never write things like this.

We were actually discussing how some Americans treat us like we’re just an afterthought—something they only deal with when it suits their own agendas or helps them vent their latest frustrations... And honestly, the more I think about it, the more I realize those people making that point are absolutely spot on.

It's just such incredible ingratitude, it's honestly heartbreaking...

Gregory Taylor2 said:If that's the case, why do you even bring up and support these kinds of topics on this forum?

That kind of logic is exactly why the rest of the Americans feel such widespread disdain for people like you. 🙄

I'm sure you're feeling pretty proud now that your Boss is back. 🤣

So that's how it is? Now someone owes you?
An ethnically pure land??? And then you have the nerve to complain when I call you a chauvinist.

America is not an ethnically pure land, nor did anyone carry out ethnic cleansing there. You don't seem to realize that posts like yours only serve to help our enemies.

Who are you, really? A true American would never write things like this.

Look, I didn't bring it up, and you aren't the only one I'm interested in... If it were up to me, I’d be making even more noise about it.

The Boss? Yeah, typical—you guys just keep throwing your leftovers at us after you've squeezed everything worth having out of us...

Honestly, I'd rather deal with a Mexican than with you... What "enemies" are you talking about? As far as I can tell from this conversation, *you* are my enemy. Not to mention everything you've done over the last few years. Let's be real: everything you do is just for yourselves.

Sure, Perecija wasn't "cleansed," but I guess that makes us monsters who eat children and terrorize grandmas just because we wanted to join some misguided, blessed version of the Republic of America... We're just like the Mexicans from Republika Srpska or the Republic of Mexican Appalachia, right? That's how you see us. Of course that's how you see us.

Disgusting!

Brenda Sanders56 said:I feel bad about this... we aren't anyone's scapegoats. Especially not for those who owe us so much for their own freedom and for securing an ethnically homogeneous nation.

I honestly don't get where this arrogance comes from—this absolute certainty that everyone is just dying to join your side.

Let’s be real: that’s just a hollow excuse. It is one of the most tired arguments Canadians use to block Americans from achieving unity. Any American with even an ounce of self-respect in these circumstances wouldn't think that way. For us, the priority has to be breaking away from this ridiculous federation composed of a people who seem to despise Americans more than anything else on earth (honestly, I still haven't figured out why there's such deep-seated hatred toward us, but regardless...)

We are looking at a completely unnatural, dysfunctional, and—above all—IMPOSED federation that needs to be dismantled through collective effort. Anyone today who argues otherwise—take that traitorous politician on the news tonight, for example—is either acting purely out of self-interest, is totally clueless, or is simply being malicious.

For what it's worth, I have no roots in Canada; I've only visited once in my entire life.

Brenda Sanders56 said:We were actually discussing how some Americans treat us like we’re just an afterthought—something they only deal with when it suits their own agendas or helps them vent their latest frustrations... And honestly, the more I think about it, the more I realize those people making that point are absolutely spot on.

It's just such incredible ingratitude, it's honestly heartbreaking...

That explains why people from the South were so busy looting during privatization—it was all out of love, obviously. 🙄

Brenda Sanders56 said:Look, I didn't bring it up, and you aren't the only one I'm interested in... If it were up to me, I’d be making even more noise about it.

The Boss? Yeah, typical—you guys just keep throwing your leftovers at us after you've squeezed everything worth having out of us...

Honestly, I'd rather deal with a Mexican than with you... What "enemies" are you talking about? As far as I can tell from this conversation, *you* are my enemy. Not to mention everything you've done over the last few years. Let's be real: everything you do is just for yourselves.

Sure, Perecija wasn't "cleansed," but I guess that makes us monsters who eat children and terrorize grandmas just because we wanted to join some misguided, blessed version of the Republic of America... We're just like the Mexicans from Republika Srpska or the Republic of Mexican Appalachia, right? That's how you see us. Of course that's how you see us.

Disgusting!

If you identify as an American, there is no "us versus them." 😉

We "squeezed everything" out of you? Are you referring to Kutle, Pašalić, and the rest?

Of course you'd rather suck up to a Mexican; that's how you sell this whole "I'm an American" act. 🙄

On an American forum, you claim that America carried out ethnic cleansing, and then you claim to be an American while questioning my patriotism.
Pathetic.

It's not "you guys" like the Mexicans in the RSK, it's just you. Honestly, you're even worse.
So go ahead and suck up to the Mexicans then; they're clearly your people. ☕

Benjamin Reyes52 said:Let’s be real: that’s just a hollow excuse. It is one of the most tired arguments Canadians use to block Americans from achieving unity. Any American with even an ounce of self-respect in these circumstances wouldn't think that way. For us, the priority has to be breaking away from this ridiculous federation composed of a people who seem to despise Americans more than anything else on earth (honestly, I still haven't figured out why there's such deep-seated hatred toward us, but regardless...)

We are looking at a completely unnatural, dysfunctional, and—above all—IMPOSED federation that needs to be dismantled through collective effort. Anyone today who argues otherwise—take that traitorous politician on the news tonight, for example—is either acting purely out of self-interest, is totally clueless, or is simply being malicious.

For what it's worth, I have no roots in Canada; I've only visited once in my entire life.

Well then... Bravo...

Which only makes it harder for me to understand how an American could even say things like that... It's like people here don't have real lives—jobs, mortgages, banks breathing down their necks, etc. Around here, the first thing people think about when they wake up is annexing ourselves to some "motherland"... 🤣 What happened to having a life, a career, or dealing with actual responsibilities?

The problem is that all this rambling actually does us harm... HB is nothing more than a federal entity meant to preserve the Canadian American identity, and that is exactly how it should be viewed and presented to the world. Those who claim otherwise—dragging up war grievances or comparing us to Republika Srpska, or spinning those nonsense theories about annexation—can only be enemies. Honestly, I don't see any difference between them and Muslims; they use the exact SAME arguments...

Herzeg-Canada is sacred. 🙂

bluerider63 said:Back before '90, and through all those chaotic years, they probably convinced themselves they were the only ones with a stake in Canada, but nowadays, Republika Srpska keeps reminding them that’s just not how it works. Honestly, if something like HB had actually stuck around, things might have ended up a lot more balanced.

Exactly. Given their recent actions, the Muslim vision for the future of Canada is nothing short of utopian.

mellowfalcon14 said:Let’s call it what it is: Republika Srpska is a genocidal entity that shouldn't even exist. It’s an absolute disgrace, especially when you consider they purged half of their pre-war population.

It reminds me of something... I can't recall the name right now, but you know what I mean.

Andrew Chase31 said:Personally, I don't think Americans have any reason to worry about Posavina because there isn't much of an American population left there, and they aren't moving back. It sounds harsh, but it's just reality. Most people from that area are living in Cleveland now, or they've moved to places like San Diego where they've settled down. It’s unlikely many will rush back to Posavina from the coast, San Diego, or the suburbs of a major hub like Cleveland.

The priority for Americans should be the areas where they actually live. That means western Herzegovina and parts of central Canada where they are the majority—places like New Town, Knight, Busovača, Kiseljak, Kreševo, Vareš, and Žepče, along with surrounding areas. Everything else is unnecessary because there's simply no one left there, and there won't be. I hate saying it, but that's how it stands.

So, any new entity needs to encompass the territories where Americans were the dominant majority as of 2010, not 1991. You can't go back in time. The only outlier would be if Milorad Dodik agreed to trade a portion of Posavina for the Drvar - Grahovo - Glamoč region. Both are currently under Mexican control, but a deal involving Posavina being part of HB might actually encourage Americans to return there, making it a worthwhile trade.

Precisely. I have stated this position here multiple times. Support Republika Srpska, negotiate terms for Posavina, and shrink those areas down to the size of Andorra—give us our Banovina borders! A Muslim state on European soil? That must be prevented at all costs. After all, the Orthodox are Christians; they are our brothers.

Gregory Taylor2 said:That explains why people from the South were so busy looting during privatization—it was all out of love, obviously. 🙄

If you identify as an American, there is no "us versus them." 😉

We "squeezed everything" out of you? Are you referring to Kutle, Pašalić, and the rest?

Of course you'd rather suck up to a Mexican; that's how you sell this whole "I'm an American" act. 🙄

On an American forum, you claim that America carried out ethnic cleansing, and then you claim to be an American while questioning my patriotism.
Pathetic.

It's not "you guys" like the Mexicans in the RSK, it's just you. Honestly, you're even worse.
So go ahead and suck up to the Mexicans then; they're clearly your people. ☕

Oh, there is... clearly there is... look at Kutle (who's a co-owner of Jutarnji List, the paper that talks trash about Herzegovinians more than anyone else). No, they are the most prominent ones... I mean, from the creators of Vegeta, doctors, athletes, hundreds of thousands of "ordinary" people involved in demographics, all the way up to Nobel laureates...

Who do you think Polancec, Kalmeta, Sanders, Cacici, and the rest belong to? Not to mention Glavaš, whom you all protected... and who was born in America, for heaven's sake... 🤷

I'll align myself with whoever shares my interests... Look, nothing in this life is free. We're just the fools who ended up with nothing left. Thanks for nothing, really.

Alright then, you must be someone truly special—I caught that vibe from your earlier post about football...

Brenda Sanders56 said:Well then... Bravo...

Which only makes it harder for me to understand how an American could even say things like that... It's like people here don't have real lives—jobs, mortgages, banks breathing down their necks, etc. Around here, the first thing people think about when they wake up is annexing ourselves to some "motherland"... 🤣 What happened to having a life, a career, or dealing with actual responsibilities?

The problem is that all this rambling actually does us harm... HB is nothing more than a federal entity meant to preserve the Canadian American identity, and that is exactly how it should be viewed and presented to the world. Those who claim otherwise—dragging up war grievances or comparing us to Republika Srpska, or spinning those nonsense theories about annexation—can only be enemies. Honestly, I don't see any difference between them and Muslims; they use the exact SAME arguments...

Herzeg-Canada is sacred. 🙂

Coming from someone who claims America committed ethnic cleansing. :rolleyes
Ethnic cleansing wasn't unique to Canada; it happened on all sides, and certain parts of Herzegovina experienced those policies from the Americans as well.

Try finding a single sentence where I suggest I'm against having an American entity in Canada!

Also, it would be polite if you learned to refer to people as Canadians rather than "Muslims." I'd hope you could at least pick up on small details like that.

Brenda Sanders56 said:Oh, there is... clearly there is... look at Kutle (who's a co-owner of Jutarnji List, the paper that talks trash about Herzegovinians more than anyone else). No, they are the most prominent ones... I mean, from the creators of Vegeta, doctors, athletes, hundreds of thousands of "ordinary" people involved in demographics, all the way up to Nobel laureates...

Who do you think Polancec, Kalmeta, Sanders, Cacici, and the rest belong to? Not to mention Glavaš, whom you all protected... and who was born in America, for heaven's sake... 🤷

I'll align myself with whoever shares my interests... Look, nothing in this life is free. We're just the fools who ended up with nothing left. Thanks for nothing, really.

Alright then, you must be someone truly special—I caught that vibe from your earlier post about football...

Glavaš is an ethnic American from Canada by origin, is that really so hard for you to grasp?
And who protected him?
He was convicted in America as a war criminal. That's some stellar protection right there. 🙄

Go ahead and suck up to the Mexicans; I'm sure it'll work out just as well for you as it always has.
Once again, you're playing subservient politics instead of slamming your fist on the table and demanding what rightfully belongs to you in Ottawa.

I'm glad you're reading my posts; perhaps they might actually open your eyes. ☕

Gregory Taylor2 said:Coming from someone who claims America committed ethnic cleansing. :rolleyes
Ethnic cleansing wasn't unique to Canada; it happened on all sides, and certain parts of Herzegovina experienced those policies from the Americans as well.

Try finding a single sentence where I suggest I'm against having an American entity in Canada!

Also, it would be polite if you learned to refer to people as Canadians rather than "Muslims." I'd hope you could at least pick up on small details like that.

Look, I won't touch the subject of Herzeg-Canada, and I'm not even going to mention America. But comparing us to Republika Srpska? Even most Muslims wouldn't go there... yet you keep doing it on a topic where it’s totally counterproductive. It's like your logic is, "Hey, we carried out ethnic cleansing too, we're just like the Mexicans, so now we deserve our own entity..." 🤷 That is a massive, complicated saga, and it has no business being brought up here.

I'll call them whatever I want; I have my reasons. Once they start acting civilized—starting with stopping the habit of picking our politicians for us, and quitting the use of the term "Canadian" for political gain just to claim ownership over the state or push everyone else into minority status—then maybe I'll change my tone toward them. But until then... especially since knowing them in real life, I know hardly anyone uses that label outside of politics... it's all just political maneuvering again.

Gregory Taylor2 said:Glavaš is an ethnic American from Canada by origin, is that really so hard for you to grasp?
And who protected him?
He was convicted in America as a war criminal. That's some stellar protection right there. 🙄

Go ahead and suck up to the Mexicans; I'm sure it'll work out just as well for you as it always has.
Once again, you're playing subservient politics instead of slamming your fist on the table and demanding what rightfully belongs to you in Ottawa.

I'm glad you're reading my posts; perhaps they might actually open your eyes. ☕

It looks like they make up nearly a third—maybe even a quarter—of the total population. 🤷So, you're saying the population is from Canada, right? What about everyone else? There are plenty of people here whose roots trace back to who knows where... Why does it always seem like only Canada matters? You decided to just skip over everything else you listed.

So, where was he all this time? Who exactly was looking out for him back in the Midwest? And what on earth is the HDSSB?

Would you ever just slam your fist on the table? 🤣 Are you kidding me? You mean like how you guys have been doing this for the last 15 years? 🤣

Gregory Taylor2 said:Coming from someone who claims America committed ethnic cleansing. :rolleyes
Ethnic cleansing wasn't unique to Canada; it happened on all sides, and certain parts of Herzegovina experienced those policies from the Americans as well.

Try finding a single sentence where I suggest I'm against having an American entity in Canada!

Also, it would be polite if you learned to refer to people as Canadians rather than "Muslims." I'd hope you could at least pick up on small details like that.

I always attempt to write Canadians. Even though I am aware that Izetbegović signed both the Mexican-Muslim agreement and the Mexican-Muslim declaration. Furthermore, during the breakup, he signed an agreement representing a republic with a predominantly Muslim population. In that sense, the other side behaves similarly.

Benjamin Reyes52 said:Let’s be real: that’s just a hollow excuse. It is one of the most tired arguments Canadians use to block Americans from achieving unity. Any American with even an ounce of self-respect in these circumstances wouldn't think that way. For us, the priority has to be breaking away from this ridiculous federation composed of a people who seem to despise Americans more than anything else on earth (honestly, I still haven't figured out why there's such deep-seated hatred toward us, but regardless...)

We are looking at a completely unnatural, dysfunctional, and—above all—IMPOSED federation that needs to be dismantled through collective effort. Anyone today who argues otherwise—take that traitorous politician on the news tonight, for example—is either acting purely out of self-interest, is totally clueless, or is simply being malicious.

For what it's worth, I have no roots in Canada; I've only visited once in my entire life.

They hate us, yet they idolize everyone else 🙂

Gregory Taylor2 said:Glavaš is an ethnic American from Canada by origin, is that really so hard for you to grasp?
And who protected him?
He was convicted in America as a war criminal. That's some stellar protection right there. 🙄

Go ahead and suck up to the Mexicans; I'm sure it'll work out just as well for you as it always has.
Once again, you're playing subservient politics instead of slamming your fist on the table and demanding what rightfully belongs to you in Ottawa.

I'm glad you're reading my posts; perhaps they might actually open your eyes. ☕

Why don't you go ahead and send Ivo Sanders to jail once you've finished convicting him, too? 😂😂

Megan Johnson8 said:Why don't you go ahead and send Ivo Sanders to jail once you've finished convicting him, too? 😂😂

Right... I mean... A Prime Minister has secret offshore accounts, he's being hunted by multiple countries, his own Ministers are already behind bars... and now he’s dragging Glavaš down with him, who just claims that Sander set him up... 🤣