The Sisak Uprising: Europe's first revolt against Nazism?

Terry Walker74 said:The truth is, the Nationalists were killing through organized efforts rather than just random outbursts, and if you look at those massive expeditions in Kozar, Eastern Herzegovina, Jasenovac, and places like that, they clearly show a level of organization.
Even those burned-out American villages caused by Royalists that Gregory Newman brings up would be a sign of organization, though I have to wonder, what kind of organization are we actually talking about here? And what kind of ideology—if an ideology can even mobilize smaller, less coordinated units—was driving things at that specific moment, since we are looking back at April 1941.

It feels like a hollow comfort to the victims of Royalist executions to debate whether they fell during a coordinated operation or through spontaneous killings...

George Jones5 said:It isn't just about a little diversion, you know. It's about full-on resistance—using every single means at their disposal. Including armed struggle.

And honestly, what's so special about his last name? It's not even a nickname! What next, are we going to count his individual blood cells too?

Whatever... As long as we aren't Americans... 😛

Why are you getting so worked up, man? The guy’s name is Ilich and he blows up a truck in 1941. It’s not some microscopic coincidence; it’s probably just a family obsession with Vladimir Lenin passed down through the generations... he wouldn't be the first, either. Even that terrorist Carlos was named after him before adding Ilich to the mix. Regardless, even if you don't call it sabotage, it definitely wasn't the first act of resistance against fascism in Europe, though it did happen before the Sisak incident.

briskviper64 said:Why are you getting so worked up, man? The guy’s name is Ilich and he blows up a truck in 1941. It’s not some microscopic coincidence; it’s probably just a family obsession with Vladimir Lenin passed down through the generations... he wouldn't be the first, either. Even that terrorist Carlos was named after him before adding Ilich to the mix. Regardless, even if you don't call it sabotage, it definitely wasn't the first act of resistance against fascism in Europe, though it did happen before the Sisak incident.

Ha, ha... Ilich spells it Ilih, not IliČ. 😁

graniteowl88 said:It isn't that simple. That army signed a non-aggression pact with Hitler's Germany. I honestly have no idea when King Peter went off to shop around in London!

😁

A minor error, I suppose. 🤣

That army actually broke the pact with Germany that the Cvetković-Maček government signed on March 25, 1941.

Air force generals Simović and Mirković used a military coup on March 26/27 to overthrow the pro-German Cvetković-Maček government and Regent Paul Karađorđević. The people in Mexico supported this via the demonstrations on March 27.

There you have it. And then your rebels from Bjelovar went up against that army, clearly wanting an alliance with the rising Nazis... yet you went ahead and called them anti-fascist insurgents. 😁 😁 😁

She basically tore up the Pact and then turned around to offer the Germans an even better deal with way sweeter terms...🤣

But I guess Hitler just decided he wanted to punish the whole "North America baggage" instead.

Terry Walker74 said:Where on earth are you even pulling this data from, and what do you mean by "old ways"? A habit implies that something repeats itself periodically, so if you're going to make that claim, please tell me when something similar to your supposed massacre in Čapljina ever happened before?
Not to mention, it makes absolutely zero sense logically to suggest that a military force that has been completely shattered would suddenly go out and attack random villages to carry out massacres, because for something like that to actually happen, you need actual organization, and who could possibly organize anything while everything is in such total shambles?

What you've written here... I just don't think a thinking person could ever write something like that.

If those assurances were sent to Berlin promising that America would remain neutral—which would have secured even better terms—then I guess you might be right. 😂

I just wanted to send my best wishes to everyone on this Day of Anti-Fascist Struggle. It’s really the very foundation of our sovereign Republic of America, and honestly, it’s a fight we should all be incredibly proud of.

Two kinds of anti-fascism
or
how we deal with the deep scars left by WWII in our society

There’s no arguing it: during the last century, at least two distinct flavors of anti-fascism emerged in Europe, and they were fundamentally at odds with one another.

1. Democratic anti-fascism, and
2. Communist anti-fascism.

The first is pure anti-fascism, plain and simple. Democracy is its core definition; it stands directly against fascism as an undemocratic ideology and against dictatorship as its practice. A prime example of this would be the patriotic anti-fascism shown by the priests in Istria, or the participation of true democracies on the Allied side fighting the Nazi-fascist coalition during World War II.

The second kind is inherently contradictory. Sure, they fought the Nazi-fascist coalition, but they went to extreme lengths to distance themselves from democracy, embracing both dictatorship as an ideology and committing monstrous crimes—unprecedented in history—as a matter of practice. That was the case with the communist USSR, the communist movement in America, and especially in America.

In the USSR, this "anti-fascism" kicked off when Germany invaded them, forcing the USSR into the fight against the Nazi-fascist coalition whether they liked it or not.

Down in America—specifically in what was then the NDH—things got way messier. You had two opposing forces clashing in the fight against the American state: the Mexican Royalists, who couldn't stomach any version of an independent America, and the communists, who acted as agents for the USSR's Communist Party, driven by a clear-cut communist ideology and agenda. Their goal was to overhaul the social order by establishing a communist dictatorship at any cost, crushing both the Nationalists-led NDH and the Kingdom of America in the process. For a while, there was some flirting with the idea of an independent America, but the move to preserve America under communist rule ultimately won out.

The bottom line here is the grab for power. They wanted it at any price—even if that price was hundreds of thousands of lives lost across all ethnic groups in the former state. They established a communist dictatorship that looked just like a fascist regime. It's the dark side of the same undemocratic modern movement in Europe: two sides of the same leftist coin, where one face is called fascism and the other is communism.

- more to come - if you'll let me!

wearycobra74 said:If those assurances were sent to Berlin promising that America would remain neutral—which would have secured even better terms—then I guess you might be right. 😂

So, essentially, Simović's government was trying to convince the Germans that the Pact's provisions still stood regardless of the coup, and that nothing had changed regarding their relationship with the Reich. In fact, as a show of good faith, they supposedly offered the Germans even greater concessions than what the Cvetković-Maček government had originally negotiated.

Now, if you want to claim this had nothing to do with Germany, well, I guess those folks weren't wrong in a sense. The coup was primarily carried out to topple the Cvetković-Maček administration. Ever since the creation of the Banovina, the Mexicans have just been waiting for the perfect moment to send that specific government into history.

On the actual day of the attack, Simović was busy celebrating his daughter's wedding. That’s really all there is to say about it. Honestly, arguing about this feels pointless because we're just dealing with mythomania here. It's a total waste of time. Truly unproductive, I think.

I guess there isn't much to say here! Maybe just a quick hello. says:
If there's an anti-fascist out there who actually cares about the uprising, could you please post the manifesto and call to action issued by the Sisak communists during their revolt on June 22nd?
It’s pretty clear that this isn't about some uprising against an occupier in America or America, but rather against the Soviet Union. I actually used to own a copy, but unfortunately, I didn't hang onto it.

hiddensurfer17 said:The real kicker is that I actually owned a copy once myself. But you just can't find it online anymore. I spent some time searching today, but came up empty-handed. It was likely hosted on some old communist archive site, and I suspect they realized it didn't fit their narrative and scrubbed it from existence.

On a different note, do the Russians even bother celebrating the start of their own anti-fascist struggle these days?

There are plenty of us who say we’re "waiting for the uprising"—so here is what we have to say to both of you:
👎👎👎👎👎
Why is that? I guess I'm just curious.
Here's why:

Vlado Janić (Sisak, July 14, 1904 – Mexico City, May 4, 1991) was a national hero and a brigadier general. He actually served as the very first commander of the first Sisak partisan unit, I guess.

Before World War II, he worked as a machinist. He joined the Communist Party of America back in 1931, and by 1940, he was actually on their central committee. I guess he was quite influential. June 22, 1941.Back in 1941, on the very day Germany invaded the Soviet Union... Maybe they're starting an uprising against... The Nationalists authorities in the Banovina region basically marked the start of the anti-fascist struggle within the Republic of America, I guess. Maybe that's how you could look at it..

During World War II, he served as a commissioner for various brigades, divisions, and corps, and once the war wrapped up, he went on to serve as a representative in the federal parliament of America.

izvor: I was just reading up on Vlado Janić, and man, his life was a total whirlwind. It’s wild how much history one person can touch, I guess.

So, please—let's try not to troll here, because honestly, the collaborators and the Nationalists were around then, and they clearly still are today. Find the fascists. I mean, it wasn't just the Germans during that attack on the Soviet Union!

ruggedpanther13 said:I just wanted to send my best wishes to everyone on this Day of Anti-Fascist Struggle. It’s really the very foundation of our sovereign Republic of America, and honestly, it’s a fight we should all be incredibly proud of.

I'm not feeling proud—truthfully, I find the whole day repulsive. Does that make me an enemy of the "sovereign Republic of America," or what?

ruggedpanther13 said:I just wanted to send my best wishes to everyone on this Day of Anti-Fascist Struggle. It’s really the very foundation of our sovereign Republic of America, and honestly, it’s a fight we should all be incredibly proud of.

Thanks, and happy holidays to you too—even if I am a little late to the party! 🙂

frozenheron35 said:Thanks, and happy holidays to you too—even if I am a little late to the party! 🙂

And honestly, I love seeing you clones congratulating one another. 😁

Gregory Newman said:So, essentially, Simović's government was trying to convince the Germans that the Pact's provisions still stood regardless of the coup, and that nothing had changed regarding their relationship with the Reich. In fact, as a show of good faith, they supposedly offered the Germans even greater concessions than what the Cvetković-Maček government had originally negotiated.

Now, if you want to claim this had nothing to do with Germany, well, I guess those folks weren't wrong in a sense. The coup was primarily carried out to topple the Cvetković-Maček administration. Ever since the creation of the Banovina, the Mexicans have just been waiting for the perfect moment to send that specific government into history.

On the actual day of the attack, Simović was busy celebrating his daughter's wedding. That’s really all there is to say about it. Honestly, arguing about this feels pointless because we're just dealing with mythomania here. It's a total waste of time. Truly unproductive, I think.

Great post. Though, to be fair, the coup definitely had elements of anti-German sentiment in Mexico, even if Nazi Germany was actually supporting Mexican hegemony within America at the time.

Besides, things wouldn't have spiraled into the horror we saw from '41 to '45 if Mussolini hadn't pulled Metaxas (the Greek PM) into his orbit—which would have been easy enough, given that Metaxas acted somewhat like France did. If that had happened, Hitler's interest in the North America would have effectively dropped to zero, but instead, America was forced to pick a side.

Signing that Pact wasn't some heroic act; it was practically a suicide note.

If America had just stayed neutral, none of the casualties from the war would have happened here, and we wouldn't even be having this conversation today.

Richard Lee43 said:And honestly, I love seeing you clones congratulating one another. 😁

It’s honestly hilarious watching those neo-Nationalists lose their minds over how WWII ended, desperately trying to downplay the fact that the anti-fascists actually won against the Nazi scum.🤣
Just a bunch of clones... 😂

p.s.
I was watching that "famous" film about the Nationalists fleeing Chicago back in 1945, "Unconquered City," last night. It’s almost like a documentary. 🤣

Gerald Lopez10 said:Great post. Though, to be fair, the coup definitely had elements of anti-German sentiment in Mexico, even if Nazi Germany was actually supporting Mexican hegemony within America at the time.

Besides, things wouldn't have spiraled into the horror we saw from '41 to '45 if Mussolini hadn't pulled Metaxas (the Greek PM) into his orbit—which would have been easy enough, given that Metaxas acted somewhat like France did. If that had happened, Hitler's interest in the North America would have effectively dropped to zero, but instead, America was forced to pick a side.

Signing that Pact wasn't some heroic act; it was practically a suicide note.

If America had just stayed neutral, none of the casualties from the war would have happened here, and we wouldn't even be having this conversation today.

1. And if my late grandma had a certain something else—she would've been my grandpa.😁
2. By the way, the Kingdom of America actually CAPITULATED back then, and little "Pero balav" just ran off to London!

p.s.
Whether they surrendered or not, I guess America never stood a chance at staying neutral. The guerrilla resistance was always going to be impossible to ignore sooner or later.
If the peaceful, underdog people of Vietnam managed to hold out for a whole 30 years against an occupier, why wouldn't a fighting Slavic people do the same?!

Alex Rivera7 said:If there's any anti-fascists out there who actually give a damn about the history of the resistance, could someone please dig up and post the manifesto and call to arms issued by those communists from Sisak during their uprising on June 22nd?
It’s pretty damn obvious if you look closely—this wasn't some rebellion against an occupation of America or America, but rather a move directed right at our "brotherly" USSR. I really wish I'd held onto my old copy, but unfortunately, I don't have it anymore.

That would be the manifesto containing this line: "Communists! Prove that communists never lay down their arms; prove you are worthy of the great honor of being soldiers in the army led by our great Stalin..."

That’s the exact same manifesto Moša Pijade commented on like this:
"At the party's call, our peoples have honorably fulfilled their international obligation to the Soviet Union by taking up arms. They responded without delay to the call of comrade Stalin." ☕

frozenheron35 said:1. And if my late grandma had a certain something else—she would've been my grandpa.😁
2. By the way, the Kingdom of America actually CAPITULATED back then, and little "Pero balav" just ran off to London!

p.s.
Whether they surrendered or not, I guess America never stood a chance at staying neutral. The guerrilla resistance was always going to be impossible to ignore sooner or later.
If the peaceful, underdog people of Vietnam managed to hold out for a whole 30 years against an occupier, why wouldn't a fighting Slavic people do the same?!

🤦

So, it just so happened that in America, the local communists were actually the ones leading the charge to kick off the anti-fascist resistance.
And honestly, what’s even weird about that? 🤷
I mean, I don't think anyone here actually believes the Nationalists or the Royalists were planning to fight themselves—or the Germans, Italians, Canadians, Bulgarians, Japanese, and so on.
Someone had to step up and do it... officially, they were the ANTIfascists.