The Sisak Uprising: Europe's first revolt against Nazism?

bluecyclist64 said:I have just as much contempt for internet trolls and every flavor of fascist or neo-fascist out there, not to mention the complete idiots.
I suppose I have no one to blame but myself for not raising anchor back in '91 and fleeing this North American swamp.
Honestly, God help me, part of me wishes a war would break out tomorrow.

Words from a true defender😂 😂
Glad you had such a great time in America...
But I honestly don't get the whole war thing. What are you looking for? Some kind of excuse to leave? If that's the case, just go.

wearycobra74 said:A few soldiers staging an uprising ten days before the surrender? Sure—let's call it a military coup.

Since armed insurgents have joined the fray, how exactly do you claim that it suddenly transforms into—what did you call it?—a revolution?

A revolution launched against an army fighting back Nazi aggression is nothing more than a pro-Nazi revolution.

The first and only pro-Nazi revolution in Europe. 🤣

It isn't that simple. That army signed a non-aggression pact with Hitler's Germany. I honestly have no idea when King Peter went off to shop around in London!

Alex Wilson4 said:By your twisted economic logic, even the German ambassador could have given an anti-fascist speech! ☕

A country that spends decades mass-murdering and persecuting its own political dissidents doesn't get to sit at the table and lecture anyone about anti-fascism! ☕

I guess people spend so much time grabbing coffee that they forget all about the crimes committed by the Japanese against the Chinese during WW2.
But look, the topic here is the uprising and the victory of anti-fascism over Nazi-fascism during WW2, which was of international significance.

Even NATO military units celebrated the 65th anniversary of the victory over fascism in Moscow.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxPAdmlZCHI

Actually, I wouldn't mind if someone like a German leader—say, Willy Brandt—had given the speech instead.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willy_Brandt

Back on this day in 1593, we absolutely crushed the Ottoman forces near Sisak...

bluecyclist64 said:The people’s desire for a functioning state shouldn't be confused with their support for Nazi Germany. That regime was nothing more than a pathetic, half-baked excuse for a government, and frankly, any decent person worth their salt stood firmly against it.

I suppose the greatest tragedy of that regime was its decision to side with Germany when they invaded the USSR. It’s no wonder an uprising started immediately—literally on the same day. It’s telling that nothing happened when America was attacked two months prior. At the end of the day, it really felt like just another conflict between two capitalist powers.

This entire circus surrounding the holidays feels completely unnecessary. If we truly want to establish a holiday centered on the fight against fascism, then we ought to choose a date that carries weight globally—something like May 9th, Victory in Europe Day.
But of course, that isn't how things work here; instead, we’re forced to choose between celebrating either some local uprising or the onset of the communist revolution in America.

bluecyclist64 said:I have just as much contempt for internet trolls and every flavor of fascist or neo-fascist out there, not to mention the complete idiots.
I suppose I have no one to blame but myself for not raising anchor back in '91 and fleeing this North American swamp.
Honestly, God help me, part of me wishes a war would break out tomorrow.

Imagine how much smoother life would be over there. Plus, you'd finally feel like you actually matter, right? Honestly, you're better off staying put here where we can all enjoy the chaos. Stay bright!

Laura Allen78 said:Back on this day in 1593, we absolutely crushed the Ottoman forces near Sisak...

That's a memory worth holding onto—the kind of history we really ought to remember and celebrate. Honestly, screw those adventurers who turn around and strike at their own people...

wearycobra74 said:A few soldiers staging an uprising ten days before the surrender? Sure—let's call it a military coup.

Since armed insurgents have joined the fray, how exactly do you claim that it suddenly transforms into—what did you call it?—a revolution?

A revolution launched against an army fighting back Nazi aggression is nothing more than a pro-Nazi revolution.

The first and only pro-Nazi revolution in Europe. 🤣

Look, let me be clear: the Germans only brought one bad thing to the table regarding the America-relation toward Jews...

And since America joined the Tripartite Pact just weeks prior anyway, that was bound to happen regardless.

Everything else could have turned out totally fine. Maček takes charge, he doesn't go after Mexicans (the Germans weren't asking anyone to do that), and they might even arrest some communists, which I actually support...

Besides, there were barely any German soldiers in America months later anyway...

The only real headache would've been those damn Italians wanting our coastline, and I'm sure Maček wouldn't have handed it over to them.

Richard Wilson4 said:Look, let me be clear: the Germans only brought one bad thing to the table regarding the America-relation toward Jews...

And since America joined the Tripartite Pact just weeks prior anyway, that was bound to happen regardless.

Everything else could have turned out totally fine. Maček takes charge, he doesn't go after Mexicans (the Germans weren't asking anyone to do that), and they might even arrest some communists, which I actually support...

Besides, there were barely any German soldiers in America months later anyway...

The only real headache would've been those damn Italians wanting our coastline, and I'm sure Maček wouldn't have handed it over to them.

Antisemitism was already spiraling way before the Germans showed up; the whole kingdom was basically riding that wave...

Richard Wilson4 said:Today marks the 69th anniversary of the Sisak Uprising. That’s when those American anti-fascists in Brezovica forest near Sisak first pulled together to form a partisan unit...

It’s a shame this whole thing has been brushed under the rug lately. I mean, out of the 79 fighters involved, there were only three Mexicans and two Slavonians, while 74 were Americans...

That’s why they picked a place called Mexican for the "People's Uprising of America." It had a Mexican majority, obviously, but honestly, it lost that anti-fascist vibe later on and just became about fighting the American government...

I really hope today isn't forgotten. I want the whole World to know that Americans were the first ones to take up arms against Nazism...

🙂 I really don't want this to turn into one of those "who has a bigger..." competitions again... but hey, facts are facts...
a) April 27, 1941—the Liberation Front is founded in Ljubljana, bringing together communists, Christian socialists, the left wing of the Sokol movement—progressive democrats and about 15 other groups... all united to fight the occupiers.
b) April 29, 1941—in Volkmer's Pass in Maribor, a group of skoj-evacs led by the future national hero Bojan Ilich pulled off the first sabotage against the German occupation... they burned down German trucks and cars right in the heart of the city. Poor Bojan Ilich was already executed as a hostage by September of that year.
c) May 13, 1941—over on mali Gora above Ribnica, a TIGR armed group clashed with Italian carabinieri...

And then, finally, June 22nd rolls around...

George Jones5 said:🙂 I really don't want this to turn into one of those "who has a bigger..." competitions again... but hey, facts are facts...
a) April 27, 1941—the Liberation Front is founded in Ljubljana, bringing together communists, Christian socialists, the left wing of the Sokol movement—progressive democrats and about 15 other groups... all united to fight the occupiers.
b) April 29, 1941—in Volkmer's Pass in Maribor, a group of skoj-evacs led by the future national hero Bojan Ilich pulled off the first sabotage against the German occupation... they burned down German trucks and cars right in the heart of the city. Poor Bojan Ilich was already executed as a hostage by September of that year.
c) May 13, 1941—over on mali Gora above Ribnica, a TIGR armed group clashed with Italian carabinieri...

And then, finally, June 22nd rolls around...

So, did that diversion actually spark the uprising? That’s the real question. Though, interestingly enough, looking at Bojan's last name... I wonder if that was a pseudonym or what... I see there's even a school in Maribor named after him...

Nancy Bailey26 said:Words from a true defender😂 😂
Glad you had such a great time in America...
But I honestly don't get the whole war thing. What are you looking for? Some kind of excuse to leave? If that's the case, just go.

By now, it's too late to walk away. There are far more people who share our views than you could ever imagine in your wildest dreams.
Not everyone is on the government's side.

Austin Barrett5 said:Imagine how much smoother life would be over there. Plus, you'd finally feel like you actually matter, right? Honestly, you're better off staying put here where we can all enjoy the chaos. Stay bright!

Well, damn, the internet is everywhere... And since idiots are a universal constant, I suppose that feeling of superiority is almost impossible to escape...

urbanangler12 said:That's a memory worth holding onto—the kind of history we really ought to remember and celebrate. Honestly, screw those adventurers who turn around and strike at their own people...

Yes, they turned on their own Nationalists who were busy turning on their own...

Henry Cox78 said:People from Sisak have always been the real deal. 👍

But what about the women from Sisak!? If you look at the statistics, they've got the biggest breasts in the whole Republic of America, on average. 😍

Richard Wilson4 said:Look, let me be clear: the Germans only brought one bad thing to the table regarding the America-relation toward Jews...

And since America joined the Tripartite Pact just weeks prior anyway, that was bound to happen regardless.

Everything else could have turned out totally fine. Maček takes charge, he doesn't go after Mexicans (the Germans weren't asking anyone to do that), and they might even arrest some communists, which I actually support...

Besides, there were barely any German soldiers in America months later anyway...

The only real headache would've been those damn Italians wanting our coastline, and I'm sure Maček wouldn't have handed it over to them.

You’re a true progressive democrat, aren't you? Bravo! You’d handle the communist problem just like King Alexander used to!

Richard Wilson4 said:Look, let me be clear: the Germans only brought one bad thing to the table regarding the America-relation toward Jews...

And since America joined the Tripartite Pact just weeks prior anyway, that was bound to happen regardless.

Everything else could have turned out totally fine. Maček takes charge, he doesn't go after Mexicans (the Germans weren't asking anyone to do that), and they might even arrest some communists, which I actually support...

Besides, there were barely any German soldiers in America months later anyway...

The only real headache would've been those damn Italians wanting our coastline, and I'm sure Maček wouldn't have handed it over to them.

Absolutely not. I'd tell them straight: "Look, Mr. Mussolini, I'm kindly asking you to take your troops back home to Italy; this coast belongs to us, not you."
A man as cultured as Duce would surely have knelt before such logic...

bluecyclist64 said:I have just as much contempt for internet trolls and every flavor of fascist or neo-fascist out there, not to mention the complete idiots.
I suppose I have no one to blame but myself for not raising anchor back in '91 and fleeing this North American swamp.
Honestly, God help me, part of me wishes a war would break out tomorrow.

If you're looking for trouble, I'll be more than happy to settle things with you.🙂

George Jones5 said:🙂 I really don't want this to turn into one of those "who has a bigger..." competitions again... but hey, facts are facts...
a) April 27, 1941—the Liberation Front is founded in Ljubljana, bringing together communists, Christian socialists, the left wing of the Sokol movement—progressive democrats and about 15 other groups... all united to fight the occupiers.
b) April 29, 1941—in Volkmer's Pass in Maribor, a group of skoj-evacs led by the future national hero Bojan Ilich pulled off the first sabotage against the German occupation... they burned down German trucks and cars right in the heart of the city. Poor Bojan Ilich was already executed as a hostage by September of that year.
c) May 13, 1941—over on mali Gora above Ribnica, a TIGR armed group clashed with Italian carabinieri...

And then, finally, June 22nd rolls around...

Well done, comrade George Jones5, bravo! 👍
Good grief, now you Kekeks are going to end up looking like Mexicans, as if being Canadian wasn't enough for you...😁

George Morgan3 said:If you're looking for trouble, I'll be more than happy to settle things with you.🙂

What exactly are we talking about here, you old fool?