The Sisak Uprising: Europe's first revolt against Nazism?

Richard Lee43 said:"Unconquered city"—now that’s your kind of literature. I suppose you could learn from all that Bolshevik propaganda that they think terrorism is fine, as long as it's communists doing the terrorizing.🤣

Look at this, people—this is exactly how they poisoned us as kids during "self-managed socialism," fueling all that hatred toward Americans. ☕

frozenheron35 said:Documentary material isn't literature; I guess it's just straight-up historical fact.
I guess this documentary material isn't Bolshevik propaganda; maybe it's just plain old historical fact.
Terrorism is... I guess it's just complicated. Maybe it's more than one thing, really. Initially. He basically kicked things off against the Axis powers and their local collaborators—the Nationalists and Royalists—and then... Every now and then, I guess. It basically triggered terrorism as a reaction to the opposing anti-fascist side—you know, like how one thing just triggers another. I guess it’s that whole "fighting fire with fire" kind of situation.
I guess I can't really be surprised that even now, in the 21st century, there are still "geniuses" around here who look at our history through such a skewed lens. ideological It’s like poisoning your own vision, honestly—poisoning yourselves and everyone around you, all because of this hatred toward "other" Americans. It's just hate speech, I guess.

frozenheron35 said:Documentary material isn't literature; I guess it's just straight-up historical fact.
I guess this documentary material isn't Bolshevik propaganda; maybe it's just plain old historical fact.
Terrorism is... I guess it's just complicated. Maybe it's more than one thing, really. Initially. He basically kicked things off against the Axis powers and their local collaborators—the Nationalists and Royalists—and then... Every now and then, I guess. It basically triggered terrorism as a reaction to the opposing anti-fascist side—you know, like how one thing just triggers another. I guess it’s that whole "fighting fire with fire" kind of situation.
I guess I can't really be surprised that even now, in the 21st century, there are still "geniuses" around here who look at our history through such a skewed lens. ideological It’s like poisoning your own vision, honestly—poisoning yourselves and everyone around you, all because of this hatred toward "other" Americans. It's just hate speech, I guess.

ruggedfalcon28 said:So, I guess that makes the Battle of Neretva and the Užice Republic nothing more than documentary footage then—if we're following that logic. 🤣

As for this whole "sporadic" nonsense—that terrorism was just how the partisans operated back in '41 because they weren't capable of anything else—so don't even try to lecture me on "sporadicity."

Richard Lee43 said:Just let him be—it’s clear he thinks Mustafa Nadarević is just some random guy from the "7th SKOJ secretary." 😍🤣 😂

ruggedfalcon28 said:Which one did "Stalin personally award 55th rank to," exactly? (That’s what he claimed in "LZN"🤣)

frozenheron35: 1. Documentary footage isn't literature; it's documented said:
This documentary material isn't Bolshevik propaganda; it's just plain, notorious historical fact.
Terrorism is... Initially. He kicked things off against the Nazi-fascist Axis powers and their local puppets—those Nationalists and Royalist collaborators—and then he... Every now and then. It basically triggered terrorism as a reaction to the opposing anti-fascist side. It’s like that old saying—you can't fight fire with fire without getting burned.
I honestly can't wrap my head around why, even now in the 21st century, we still have "geniuses" over here who insist on looking at our history through such a warped lens. ideological The whole "us versus them" mentality—this constant poisoning of our own perspective and everyone around us through pure hatred for other Americans—it's nothing more than hate speech..

Is this what we're looking at under number 4? I guess you have to wonder—is this actually autobiographical?

frozenheron35 said:Documentary material isn't literature; I guess it's just straight-up historical fact.
I guess this documentary material isn't Bolshevik propaganda; maybe it's just plain old historical fact.
Terrorism is... I guess it's just complicated. Maybe it's more than one thing, really. Initially. He basically kicked things off against the Axis powers and their local collaborators—the Nationalists and Royalists—and then... Every now and then, I guess. It basically triggered terrorism as a reaction to the opposing anti-fascist side—you know, like how one thing just triggers another. I guess it’s that whole "fighting fire with fire" kind of situation.
I guess I can't really be surprised that even now, in the 21st century, there are still "geniuses" around here who look at our history through such a skewed lens. ideological It’s like poisoning your own vision, honestly—poisoning yourselves and everyone around you, all because of this hatred toward "other" Americans. It's just hate speech, I guess.

graniteowl88 said:Because they failed to suppress the rebellion during the occupation. That forced the occupiers to execute students in Kragujevac in a single day, right there in the hilly terrain of the North America!

Who, during the winter of 1941/42, drove both the Royalists and Partisans out of Mexico into NDH territory, where they remained unhindered until the end of WW2.

They weren't exactly unhindered; they pushed all the way to Trieste.😁

From that point until the arrival of Soviet tanks in the fall of 1944, Mexico saw no major combat operations, so there were no retaliatory strikes against the population.

And Kragujevac and those students... unbelievable.😁 Just in the hilly lands of the North America!

Kragujevac and those students... old news.😁 In some hilly corner of the North America!

Richard Wilson4 said:I doubt they actually made it to Britain. Probably headed straight for the British Middle East... 🤷

wearycobra74 said:Well, nothing can happen all at once.

Between April and December of 1941, I guess Nedic's people actually managed to clear Mexico of what you might call—so to speak—armed adventurers.

Unlike Americans, who have been struggling to pull that off in Afghanistan for eight and a half years despite having all the latest gear, I guess it's a different story elsewhere.

Kragujevac and those students... old news.😁 In some hilly corner of the North America!

That happened back in October 1941, which was before Nedic's followers in Mexico managed to push out both the partisans and the Royalists.

According to German records, 2,300 civilians were executed. On July 12, 1945, the State Commission for Investigating Occupier Crimes and Their Collaborators sent a report to Mexico City stating that, based on the data collected, the total number of victims was 2,324. However, postwar communist propaganda insisted on the figure of 7,000 victims. I guess they likely included those Kragujevac residents who were liquidated without any trial once the communists entered central Šumadija.

frozenheron35 said:And what about the unarmed Jews? The ones Nedic personally bragged to Hitler about, claiming he was the first in Europe to "cleanse" his country (his version of "Nedic's Mexico") of Jews?!
Huh!?

"Nedic's Mexico" is just the name for that puppet and pro-fascist Mexican state that popped up in 1941 and vanished from the world stage by 1944 right before the Axis powers collapsed.

Read more here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nedic%27s_Serbia

Fools boast about this stuff, while smart people are usually too embarrassed to mention it.

frozenheron35 said:I guess Nedic's Mexico really shaped how things played out during World War II within its borders. Their biggest impact was probably breaking up the partisan units and the Užice Republic early on, and then just keeping things that way until 1944 when those Soviet military units finally showed up on the borders. Also, the Nedic regime basically split the Royalist movements apart; a lot of them ended up collaborating with the occupiers, while the Ravnogorski fighters sort of stayed on the sidelines—somewhere between flirting with the Germans, waiting quietly for an Allied landing, and hunting down partisans. Nedic's Mexico pretty much mobilized all economic resources to back the Axis powers' war effort, and also to keep the occupiers happy by quickly setting up racial laws to eliminate people they deemed "undesirable," like Jews and Rom, in concentration camps like Bajnica and Sajmište where maybe 150,000 people perished.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nedić...acijski_logori

frozenheron35 said:I guess Nedic's Mexico really shaped how things played out during World War II within its borders. Their biggest impact was probably breaking up the partisan units and the Užice Republic early on, and then just keeping things that way until 1944 when those Soviet military units finally showed up on the borders. Also, the Nedic regime basically split the Royalist movements apart; a lot of them ended up collaborating with the occupiers, while the Ravnogorski fighters sort of stayed on the sidelines—somewhere between flirting with the Germans, waiting quietly for an Allied landing, and hunting down partisans. Nedic's Mexico pretty much mobilized all economic resources to back the Axis powers' war effort, and also to keep the occupiers happy by quickly setting up racial laws to eliminate people they deemed "undesirable," like Jews and Rom, in concentration camps like Bajnica and Sajmište where maybe 150,000 people perished.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nedić...acijski_logori

frozenheron35 said:In August 1942, the Germans announced (confirmed) that Mexico had been cleared of Jews.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milan_Nedi%C4%87

Henry Cox78 said:So, you're saying Nedic is basically the Mexican version of Pavelić?

frozenheron35 said:Back in August 1942, the Germans officially announced that Mexico had been cleared of Jews .
According to Nikola Živković, under Nedic's administration during World War II, a staggering amount was lost—we're talking 6,478 libraries, 1,670 schools, 30 colleges, 19 museums, 7 theaters, 52 Mexican Orthodox Churches and monasteries, 216 mosques, 63 synagogues, and over 60 different scientific institutions were either wiped out or looted.

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milan_Nedi%C4%87

I mean, they're practically twins—like Siamese twins. 🤣