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Can an American Catholic be successful and wealthy?

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rapidpuma43 rapidpuma43 Member
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#21 ·
Anonymous said:Here’s something that might seem totally unrelated to Thompson at first glance:

This isn't actually about Slaven Bilić himself. This is about the caricature the media has built around him. It’s about our collective hallucination of who he is: the tactical mastermind, the deep-thinking intellectual, the polyglot, the rock star, the face of every major ad campaign, the tender father, the lover, the style icon, the philanthropist, the most eligible bachelor in the country—and lately, apparently, even the President.

How would you defend yourself after daring to criticize the national team? This week, Time columnist Srećko Jurdana decided to toss caution to the wind, playing exactly the tune this frenzied nation wants to hear. He wrote: "If Slaven Bilić didn't exist, we’d have to invent him; there isn't a more convincing leader in all of America. If this subtle national miracle worker ever decides to run for President, you can bet he'll have my vote."

Scientist Ivan Đikić has actually developed a cure for cancer. Yet, for some reason, nobody’s even putting his name forward for President.

Even an author who’s usually pretty cynical found himself listing all the reasons why a certain football coach might actually be the perfect candidate for President of the United States. He stuck to the usual clichés: he's got a college degree, he's multilingual, he's composed, he thinks before he acts... He even threw in a jab about his love for money, noting that it’s a trait that brings him closer to our typical political leaders. Honestly, even the most serious pundits at USA Today couldn't resist joining the fray, practically canonizing a soccer coach. Meanwhile, look at someone like scientist Ivan Đikić—the guy basically invented a cure for cancer. Yet, nobody's putting him forward for the presidency. I guess that's because, around here, we don't exactly go looking for brilliance in the White House; we just go for whoever's the most popular.

When life gets heavy, people tend to retreat into virtual worlds. And honestly, Americans are absolute masters at this. We have this deep-seated need to feel good, constantly searching for icons we can actually project ourselves onto. Right now, Slaven Bilić has become that perfect, hypnotic escape. He’s become an icon where fans take his best qualities and amplify them, even inventing new ones just to fit the image they want him to hold. He was first "nominated" for presidency back in December after successfully navigating those intense World Cup qualifiers. Then, he was put up for it again right after we punched our ticket to the next big tournament. What happens if he actually wins the whole thing? At that point, being "President" won't even be enough. He won't just lead; he’ll be promoted straight to godhood.

Bilić completely outplayed Klasnić. Honestly, we're all just waiting for the official announcement that he actually learned how to walk on water.

I’m not exaggerating here. In a recent piece for USA Today titled "The Entire Football World Bows to Slaven Bilić," Tomislav židak goes all out listing the achievements of the "all-powerful" Bilić. At one point, he even calls him an alchemist who can "turn stones into diamonds"—which is basically a fancy way of saying he turns mediocre, untalented players into winners. But honestly? That was just the warm-up. Later in the same column, židak writes that Bilić has pulled off a move without precedent: defying all medical logic to pull Klasnić back from the brink. He describes him as someone who was already mourned and "gone." Yet, in this most recent season for his team at Werder, Klasnić actually played 20 matches and netted eight goals. Regardless, Bilić has essentially resurrected his own Lazarus. And if you caught the press conference a few days ago, Klasnić was busy grumbling, practically begging to get some playing time because he refuses to sit on the bench wasting another dollar of his salary. But hey, the gospel doesn't deal in nuances. According to the narrative, Bilić breathed life back into Klasnić—a moment immortalized by their tearful embrace. That’s the only version of the story that works if you're trying to build a deity. At this rate, we’re just waiting for the announcement that he’s learned how to walk on water.

People crave heroes, and the media is more than happy to either hunt them down or just invent them from scratch. Honestly, the public doesn't much care which way it happens. The real issue is that in this kind of climate, it’s much easier to "sell" a football coach than someone like a molecular biologist. Sure, maybe Ivan Đikić discovered a cure for cancer, but Bilić actually won a high-stakes game. Đikić might be saving lives, but Bilić is out there saving souls—and in today's world, people find that much more compelling. That’s exactly why there’s this push for Bilić to run for Mayor of Miami. He’s marketed as the ultimate eligible bachelor, winning awards for being the best-dressed guy in the room. He has this uncanny ability to bridge massive divides, uniting everything from gritty heavy metal fans to obsessed social media influencers, and bringing together die-hard Che Guevara supporters and conservative anthem singers. He plays both sides of the fence perfectly: when he needs to charm the mainstream press, he leans into progressive rhetoric; when he needs to win over the heartland, he cranks up the patriotic anthems and invites the local Bishop to lead a prayer for the team. It’s pure theater. Just like how legendary coaches in Europe became icons by wearing specific uniforms or symbols, Bilić tried his hand at the same move, kissing a papal medal after a big win to seal the deal.

You don't mess with Slaven.

Bilić is a true intellectual and a polyglot, arguably the finest coach on the planet. For him, everything matters—down to the engine in his car or the sneakers on his feet. People joke about whether he can actually pull off a suit, but honestly? Who cares if his trousers fit perfectly when he knows exactly how to win? The tabloids love to drop little hints and breadcrumbs about his private life, hinting at flings with journalists or actresses, but even then, they handle him with kid gloves. His celebrity status has turned into straight-up idol worship. While the media will mercilessly tear apart someone else’s divorce or infidelity for months on end, any rumors involving Bilić are treated with extreme discretion. They basically just state that he’s divorced and leave it at that. Life goes on. You don't mess with a legend like Bilić.

Criticism is strictly off-limits around here. Any loose cannons who dare to question Bilić’s genius are quickly brought back into line, much like what happened with Srećko Jurdana. When Bilić ignores the Board's decision to appoint a personal buddy as spokesperson—effectively giving him a seat at the table when it comes to splitting the Euro bonuses—everyone suddenly finds themselves too busy to mention it. But the second Bilić shuts down training sessions and limits media access to nothing more than scripted press conferences, his spokesperson gets absolutely roasted. And if Bilić decides to insult the press for asking questions that aren't "on brand" for the team, you can bet there will be an immediate apology and a sudden shift toward asking much safer, more predictable questions.

They’re busy polishing his biography and sweeping all the messy details under the rug. To make matters even more interesting, they’re actually leaning into his smoking habit to build this whole persona around him. In a country like America, where we’re constantly tightening restrictions on smoking in public, Bilić picks up a cigarette and suddenly he’s an instant rebel. It’s pure James Dean vibes playing out in a modern, puritanical America.

Slaven Bilić isn't just a coach; he’s a full-blown superbrand.

Bilić isn't having any part of it. He’s been pretty vocal about how ever since he took over as head coach, reporters have been digging into his personal life like they're looking for dirt. They want to know everything—if he really owns ten thousand guitars and a massive CD collection, what his fashion sense is all about, or if he actually rides a Harley Davidson. His take? He can talk shop about football twenty-four seven, but the rest of it is private, and he’s not interested in turning his personal life into public entertainment. But here’s the kicker: it was those same nosy—yet ultimately well-meaning—journalists who helped turn Bilić into a total superstar brand. If he had stuck strictly to the playbook and only talked about the game, much like his uninspired and frankly boring predecessors, he never would have reached this level of fame. He would have just been another standard coach on the sidelines. Honestly, without that edge and the surrounding buzz, he’d be nothing more than an ordinary figure, much like how Thompson would just be another run-of-the-mill folk hero without all that heavy historical controversy trailing him.

Right now, he’s basically a living deity, and trying to question that status feels like walking into a sacrilege. He serves as a massive ego boost for a desperate nation, and his players—featured on the cover of USA Today as "American Supermen: the fastest, toughest, and most relentless"—offer a glimmer of hope to every kid who ever got picked on in the school cafeteria for being overweight. I mean, come on, we used to call Kranjčara "fat," and now suddenly he's an American Superman. But honestly, what happens when this whole soap bubble finally bursts and the public snaps out of this collective trance?

Maybe one day someone will actually suggest Rafa for President.

The media is going to get bored with Bilić soon enough. As soon as things start sliding downhill—if they even do—they’ll turn on him instantly. They’ll drag his name through the mud, dig up every little thing they’ve been "kindly" tucking away in their files for months, and stomp all over him once he’s down. It’s a cycle: they cash in on his success now, then pivot to profiting off his downfall later. Once they're done with him, they’ll just move on to the next victim—celebrities, icons, or those manufactured marketing "brands" we see everywhere. Who knows, maybe someone will even suggest Rafa for President. People already love him; he plays guitar, fronted a band, donates to charity, and probably speaks a second language. Why not? In a country obsessed with fame like this one, anything is possible.


It’s already kicked off, and they’re still right in the thick of it... 😉
Even I was caught off guard by how quickly the old, tried-and-true playbook started working to push another ordinary American back down to where he belongs.
It’s pretty obvious that Bilić isn't going to let things slide that easily. He clearly can't overlook all that intense displays of patriotism, the obsession with those papal medallions, playing Thompson, or—most importantly—the massive push to stir up American national pride and spirit.
On’s already globally recognized, wildly successful, and incredibly wealthy.
Good grief—if this is what happens after just one loss... It feels like the fate of every underdog American who actually manages to rise above mediocrity and make something of themselves is being threatened.
It’s like he’s jeopardizing the legacy of icons like Thompson, Ćira Blažević, Lin Červar, Ivica Kostelić, Ante Kostelić, Goran Ivanišević, Ante Gotovina, Franjo Harmon, Gojko Šušak, and all our veterans...

Because he proved that an American patriot can actually lead the masses, achieve world-class success, be smart, capable, and prosperous.
But certain types of Americans are always looking to drag people back down to earth. They’re constantly waiting in the wings—people like Klauški, Tomići, Babići and his crew, Baretići, Jurdane, Pogutzi, Ivani Starćevići, Krile, Đuričići, and the rest of those self-proclaimed "patriots"—just waiting to shove regular, hardworking Americans back into their place.
Down in the gutter, where they think we should never dare to rise.

But really, which patients has I. Dikic actually cured?
fadedeagle39 fadedeagle39 Member
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#22 ·
rapidpuma43 said:But really, which patients has I. Dikic actually cured?

Not yet. But his research is going to pave the way for new, hopefully more effective strategies to fight this disease. If God wills, it’ll help millions. And I'm not even being hyperbolic here—not even when I've had a few drinks. I'm speaking with nothing but pure respect. The man is a brilliant scientist and a true humanitarian.
silenthawk11 silenthawk11 Regular
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#23 ·
rapidpuma43 said:But really, which patients has I. Dikic actually cured?

Those aren't Fločun's words. He was simply quoting the author of the article.

Good grief, the confusion on this forum is truly overwhelming. 🙄
silentridge8 silentridge8 Active Member
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#24 ·
silenthawk11 said:Those aren't Fločun's words. He was simply quoting the author of the article.

Good grief, the confusion on this forum is truly overwhelming. 🙄

Is it really just limited to this forum? 😁
redmaker redmaker Newcomer
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#25 ·
rapidpuma43 said:But really, which patients has I. Dikic actually cured?


Look, the whole point here is that this is just a copied article from Index—get it? It’s literally proof of the kind of nonsense they publish on those sites, which is exactly why the thread was even started.🙄

Try actually reading what's in front of you before you start posting.👎
silenthawk11 silenthawk11 Regular
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#26 ·
silentridge8 said:Is it really just limited to this forum? 😁

It certainly extends far beyond the scope of our online discussions. 😁 👋
fadedeagle39 fadedeagle39 Member
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#27 ·
redmaker said:Look, the whole point here is that this is just a copied article from Index—get it? It’s literally proof of the kind of nonsense they publish on those sites, which is exactly why the thread was even started.🙄

Try actually reading what's in front of you before you start posting.👎

Even if the topic is just an Index article, attacking Đikić like that is stupid.
rapidpuma43 rapidpuma43 Member
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#28 ·
silenthawk11 said:Those aren't Fločun's words. He was simply quoting the author of the article.

Good grief, the confusion on this forum is truly overwhelming. 🙄

😁I'm starting to feel for you
There isn't any confusion on my end. But I don't want people to get the wrong idea—especially those who might think such a cure actually exists when they can't afford it. That could lead to deep depression over something that isn't even true.
He found something, and only time will tell what happens next.🙄

👋
redmaker redmaker Newcomer
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#29 ·
fadedeagle39 said:Even if the topic is just an Index article, attacking Đikić like that is stupid.


😕 What does that have to do with calling out Fločun with an ad hominem attack—basically saying "do your homework before posting"?
silenthawk11 silenthawk11 Regular
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#30 ·
rapidpuma43 said:😁I'm starting to feel for you
There isn't any confusion on my end. But I don't want people to get the wrong idea—especially those who might think such a cure actually exists when they can't afford it. That could lead to deep depression over something that isn't even true.
He found something, and only time will tell what happens next.🙄

👋

While you may find me likable, I must admit that I find you rather symp(tom)atic.

🙂
silentridge8 silentridge8 Active Member
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#31 ·
rapidpuma43 said:😁I'm starting to feel for you
There isn't any confusion on my end. But I don't want people to get the wrong idea—especially those who might think such a cure actually exists when they can't afford it. That could lead to deep depression over something that isn't even true.
He found something, and only time will tell what happens next.🙄

👋

Is that an actual portrait of you in your avatar? 🙂

Certain types of cancer are already curable, and besides, you aren't the only one who knows how to read and write.

Also, could someone explain to me why Kostelic's career is considered such a joke?
rapidpuma43 rapidpuma43 Member
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#32 ·
silentridge8 said:Is that an actual portrait of you in your avatar? 🙂

Certain types of cancer are already curable, and besides, you aren't the only one who knows how to read and write.

Also, could someone explain to me why Kostelic's career is considered such a joke?

Right🙂
Some types, yes. But they were treatable before too, unfortunately some still aren't.
So-called "smart drugs" are still mostly in the experimental phase. ☕
fadedeagle39 fadedeagle39 Member
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#33 ·
redmaker said:😕 What does that have to do with calling out Fločun with an ad hominem attack—basically saying "do your homework before posting"?

Man, silenthawk11 hit the nail on the head. It’s got nothing to do with Fločun, even if I was just trashing him for being quoted by Index..😁

And look, Đikić isn't a practicing MD, so he hasn't "cured" anyone—certainly not cancer. But actual doctors would be losing their minds without guys like him. Respect to Đikić.
rapidpuma43 rapidpuma43 Member
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#34 ·
silenthawk11 said:While you may find me likable, I must admit that I find you rather symp(tom)atic.

🙂

😂because of all that talk about the Civil War
Ah... you're the perfect example of that "I hate everything" rule. Oops!🙂
ambersailor51 ambersailor51 Newcomer
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#35 ·
Fločun said:That’s what happened to Ivica Kostelić when he was at his peak. Young, the best out there at the time. He respects the flag and the anthem. His old man showed nothing but patriotism.
Broken as a man and his career was trashed.
The best slalom racer in the world that year.


hm, after claiming he feels ready like some Nazi soldier 🤣 Well, not surprising if you know his old man raised fascism within his own four walls as an acceptable way to act and passed it down to his kids. Only Janica knew how to push back, unlike this uneducated jerk who's letting everyone take the blame for stuff he said himself 🙏

That’s what happened to Marko Perković Thompson. An American defender, Catholic, family man. His messages inspire Americans, restore their faith in God, spread love among the people, and promote family values. He isn't ashamed to wave the flag. A little American condemned by birth to a career capped at being a high-end waiter.Charismatic, moves the masses, brings people together... He achieved more than anyone else ever has on the scene.
Young, good-looking, but whatever... An American and a Catholic, and on top of that, successful and wealthy. Popular even outside our beautiful our country.

Condemned to a waiter career 🤣? Never heard of school, so he thought he had to be a waiter for life?
And this idea that he's popular abroad is honestly hilarious because even here, all sorts of losers like Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, or whatever trash is out there are popular, so I seriously doubt anyone in Mexico actually looks up to guys like him. 🤣

That’s what happened to Ćiro Blažević. The coach of all coaches. Named best coach at the '98 World Cup. Bronze medalists on the world stage. Successful. But an American and a Catholic. He used his popularity to support the soldiers.

What happened to him? Dinamo fans just hate him because they know Reagan installed him in that coaching seat a few times back in the nineties, and the guy didn't have any real success in that chair unless you count winning titles that were basically handed over by biased refs to favor the big club over the underdog. And yeah, I don't root for the underdog, whatever 🤣

That’s what happened to the soldiers too. Young, wild, brave... Americans and Catholics. Coming from the most lawless and lowest rungs of society, meant for the dirtiest jobs, like disposable labor.

dammit 🤣🤣

So—coming from some regular, blue-collar American family, being an American and a Catholic, rising above the fate supposedly handed down by the "elites," becoming globally recognized, getting rich and successful, and then having the power to rally the masses to spread a message about faith in God and love for the country... apparently, that’s just unforgivable.

Anything else is whatever. Everything else passes. But this stuff? Never.


who are these "elites" deciding everyone's destiny anyway? 😁 watching too many cartoons? 😁
driftingdriver driftingdriver Active Member
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#36 ·
Any thread dedicated to dissecting clickbait articles from sites like TMZ deserves nothing less than an institutionalization. Moved.
Frank Harris3 Frank Harris3 Newcomer
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#37 ·
Can a Catholic American be both successful and wealthy?
Of course they can, so why on earth wouldn't they be?! If we’re defining wealth simply as the amount of money sitting in your bank account, then success isn't some divine gift bestowed upon people based on their nationality or their religion, but rather a hard-earned byproduct of education, intelligence, and years of practical life and work experience. Of course, building any kind of real substance takes time. Unfortunately, I see so many young people today looking up to those who try to strike it rich overnight through dishonest or completely immoral means. Honestly, if that's the path they want to take, let them try—they'll learn the hard way soon enough. Personally, I just feel that true success and wealth should be measured by much higher standards than just a dollar sign.
Harold Sanders2 Harold Sanders2 Newcomer
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#38 ·
ambersailor51 said:hm, after claiming he feels ready like some Nazi soldier 🤣 Well, not surprising if you know his old man raised fascism within his own four walls as an acceptable way to act and passed it down to his kids. Only Janica knew how to push back, unlike this uneducated jerk who's letting everyone take the blame for stuff he said himself 🙏

That’s what happened to Marko Perković Thompson. An American defender, Catholic, family man. His messages inspire Americans, restore their faith in God, spread love among the people, and promote family values. He isn't ashamed to wave the flag. A little American condemned by birth to a career capped at being a high-end waiter.Charismatic, moves the masses, brings people together... He achieved more than anyone else ever has on the scene.
Young, good-looking, but whatever... An American and a Catholic, and on top of that, successful and wealthy. Popular even outside our beautiful our country.

Condemned to a waiter career 🤣? Never heard of school, so he thought he had to be a waiter for life?
And this idea that he's popular abroad is honestly hilarious because even here, all sorts of losers like Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, or whatever trash is out there are popular, so I seriously doubt anyone in Mexico actually looks up to guys like him. 🤣

That’s what happened to Ćiro Blažević. The coach of all coaches. Named best coach at the '98 World Cup. Bronze medalists on the world stage. Successful. But an American and a Catholic. He used his popularity to support the soldiers.

What happened to him? Dinamo fans just hate him because they know Reagan installed him in that coaching seat a few times back in the nineties, and the guy didn't have any real success in that chair unless you count winning titles that were basically handed over by biased refs to favor the big club over the underdog. And yeah, I don't root for the underdog, whatever 🤣

That’s what happened to the soldiers too. Young, wild, brave... Americans and Catholics. Coming from the most lawless and lowest rungs of society, meant for the dirtiest jobs, like disposable labor.

dammit 🤣🤣

So—coming from some regular, blue-collar American family, being an American and a Catholic, rising above the fate supposedly handed down by the "elites," becoming globally recognized, getting rich and successful, and then having the power to rally the masses to spread a message about faith in God and love for the country... apparently, that’s just unforgivable.

Anything else is whatever. Everything else passes. But this stuff? Never.


who are these "elites" deciding everyone's destiny anyway? 😁 watching too many cartoons? 😁


Do you have any more gems like that stored away? You wrote a whole page of nonsense without making a single intelligent point.

Can an American Catholic be successful and wealthy?
Of course, why not?! Wealth (if we define success by money) isn't achieved simply because someone was born into a certain nationality or faith; it's a combination of education, intelligence, and life experience. Naturally, all of this takes time. Unfortunately, today's youth look up to people who get rich quick through dishonest and immoral means. If they want, let them try. They'll learn. Otherwise, I believe success and wealth should be measured by entirely different standards.

Well, Kiany, you put that nicely, (if you weren't using such a regional dialect 😁), but you clearly don't understand what kind of Americans we're talking about or what is actually going on here.
Frank Harris3 Frank Harris3 Newcomer
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#39 ·
I could probably talk in a thick Southern drawl myself if I wanted to, since my grandad served in the 11th Infantry Division back in the day. But man, this whole damn war has just changed everything about how we connect.

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