Bad Boys - Part IV

Hello, everyone.

What truly disappoints me, and frankly weighs heavy on my heart, is how predictable the Blue Jays have become. Zack lays out the script, sets the tempo, and we simply dance along to his easy rhythm. 🙂

One of the primary advantages of being a relatively small, tight-knit, and intensely motivated group like the Blue Jays should be our unpredictability and our ability to pivot. Instead, we all seem hell-bent on running headfirst into a brick wall.

Zack and the forces within the Department of Homeland Security got exactly what they wanted. They got a clean photo op, and we managed to reinforce the stereotype of ourselves as a self-contained band of thugs, juvenile delinquents, and the number one headache in Washington, D.C.

All we gained was a bit of sympathy here on this forum, and perhaps on some ultra fan sites—but that’s about it.
Oh, and those kids—too young to even have their own IDs, so they were driven straight to the precinct—now have quite the story to tell to impress their classmates back at school. 😁

They say history is life's greatest teacher. Once upon a time, long before Zack was ever involved with Real Madrid, the Mongols set out to conquer Europe. Brave European knights fought with honor, charging at Mongol warriors who would "cowardly" circle them, picking them off with arrows from a distance. Afterward, they burned cities and terrorized families. (Some theories suggest that as many as 30 million men today are direct descendants of Genghis Khan). We could certainly learn a thing or two from those Mongols 😁. (Though perhaps we should stick to hijacking rival banners rather than burning down entire cities 🤣).

What we do is honorable—there is no doubt about that.
What we do is brave—without question.
The Blue Jays could easily host a seminar on civic duty for all the other "associations," "movements," and "initiatives" in Washington, D.C.—we absolutely could.
But at the same time, what we are doing is self-destructive, entirely predictable, and fundamentally unwise.

It feels like a failure that after three years of this, we find ourselves closer to the status of those Boulogne boys in France than to the legacy we want, deserve, and rightfully claim.

I’ll admit this is written somewhat half-heartedly, but for heaven's sake, use your heads!

jademarlin54 said:🙄

If you had said this back in 2009, maybe I would have bought it. But it's 2013—this is just ridiculous, even for you.

And what am I supposed to do about it if we don't see eye to eye? Unfortunately, for 99% of the people at the stadium, they'd rather choose the lesser of two evils, which in their minds is Momcic. They don't actually like him, but they like us even less. To them, he’s just the mobster who provides "bread and circuses," while we’re the ones trying to take those comforts away from them.

restlessbadger6 said:Hello everyone.

What disappoints me—and weighs heavily on my heart—is how predictable the Blue Jays have become. Zack writes the script, sets the music, and we just dance to his tune. It’s too easy.🙂

A small, tight-knit, and highly motivated group like the Blue Jays should thrive on being unpredictable and adaptable. Instead, we all seem determined to run headfirst into a wall.

Zack and the Department of Homeland Security got exactly what they wanted. A nice little photo op.

This was far too obvious. I am surprised by how easily and naively we fell for it. Hopefully, this serves as a lesson for the future.

They've had a full-on Photo shoot at every single home game at Yankee Stadium for years now, if I recall correctly.
As for those summer tourists showing up to games, it doesn't bother me that they'd pick Jerry Jones over the BBB; what actually gets to me is that they don't seem to grasp the concept of having a functional, honest, and well-run Real Madrid.
We don't have a real crowd here—I mean, Dodger Stadium is totally sold out tonight for some random matchup nobody’s ever heard of, yet I'm supposed to lose my mind over a few thousand fair-weather fans who'll show up two or three more times and then disappear forever?

William Turner28 said:this was way too obvious. honestly, I'm pretty shocked at how easily and naively people walked right into this trap. hopefully, it serves as a lesson for the future.

It’s really no shocker that people fell for that trap so blindly... and it's not even a surprise what they pulled on us in the first place... it's just that some folks refuse to listen... look, this isn't some fan rivalry or a typical stadium brawl... these guys are straight-up mafia, criminals, and cowards, and they operate exactly like that... meanwhile, we're all over here playing pretend, acting like we won't support them because it's not "ultra" enough, or worrying about what some random internet forum thinks about whether we're hardcore enough... honestly, you've gotta just disregard all that noise and fight back even more deviously and harder than they do, otherwise we don't stand a single chance... zero percent... and all this fake support being shown on these online forums? You can take that and shove it... we know damn well what the next move needs to be for all American fans and what kind of unity we need to show... if we don't step up and actually act together, then all I can say to all of us fans in this country is: screw us, because we're being nothing but hypocrites!

Raymond King47 said:I suppose it isn't much of a shock that we walked right into such an obvious trap, nor is it surprising to see how they played us... I think some people just refuse to listen. This isn't some petty rivalry between fanbases or a simple brawl; these guys are essentially a criminal syndicate, nothing more, nothing less, and that’s exactly how they operate. Meanwhile, we just sit here playing pretend, acting like we won't stand up because it's not "ultra" enough or because we're worried about what people might say on some internet forum about whether we're hardcore enough. Honestly, I feel like we should just disregard all that and fight back even more cunningly than he and his associates do, though maybe even then we'd only have a one percent chance. As things stand, there's no hope at all. And frankly, all this online support on these forums doesn't mean a thing to me. It seems pretty clear what the next move needs to be for all American fans, and what kind of solidarity is actually required. If we don't step up together and take action, then I guess I can only say one thing to all of us: we're just being hypocritical cowards if we let this happen.

From start to finish, really.☕

Jesse Campbell said:People are talking pure nonsense.

Jerry Jones has zero support in this city. Not even we back him, yet every single poll shows he’s only supported by the 5% of people who aren't all there mentally.

Stop pretending you understand things you clearly don't. 🙄

Spot on. There was an Gallup poll a few years back, and Jerry Jones had even more enemies then.

And all this talk about how Jerry Jones has the police on his side? What happened in the 90s when Ronald Reagan practically owned the entire government?

When the average fans turn on him, he falls. When 20,000 people start chanting against him at the stadium, he's finished. We can debate this until tomorrow, but the crowd is what matters (in any 🙂
context).

I’d bet anything that according to the polls, even the BBB doesn't have any real support in this city...

Honestly, I don't even need a poll to tell me that, because you could clearly see it on Tuesday when the vast majority of people at the stadium were booing the BBB and shouting "Jerry Jones is a crook."
If the BBB actually had public backing, other fans would’ve walked out of the stadium in solidarity to protest both Jerry Jones and the unfair disqualification of the BBB from the tournament.

The reality is that neither side has any real support left, and the public has a massive problem with both Jerry Jones and the BBB.
As much as it hurts you to hear it, that's just the cold, hard truth, and it's the direct result of all the mistakes you've made in the past and recently.

That’s why I told you guys to be smart and tactical—don't go handing your opponents ammunition to mock you with, whether it's the riots, the flares, fans turning on their own team, or even trying to get your own club kicked out of European competition...

Raymond King47 said:It’s hardly a shock that people walked blindly into this trap... nor is it a surprise what they did to us... it's just that some people refuse to listen. This isn't some fan war or some rivalry between supporters. They are nothing more than a mafia, criminals, and cowards—that’s how they operate. Meanwhile, we play pretend, acting like we won't support this because it isn't "ultra" enough, or because we're worried about what some online forum might say, or if we look hardcore enough. Honestly, we should just disregard all that and fight back even more deviously and aggressively than he and his cronies do. That's the only way we have a 1% chance. Otherwise, we have zero. And all this support on these message boards? You can take it and shove it. We know exactly what the next move needs to be for all American fans, and we know what kind of unity is required. If there isn't a collective action, if nothing is done together, then I guess all I can say to all of us is: screw us, because we're being hypocrites.

🙏

Since everything has already been covered from A to Z, anything else is just talking in circles.

You’re being ridiculous, man.
Does it even matter if his share is 5, 7, or 12 percent?
The point is, that percentage is plenty for him... especially when you consider that only about 200 people showed up to the championship parade.
Keep in mind, he couldn't pull in five viewers at a local dive bar if he offered them millions.
Look, a figure around 5 to 8, maybe even 10 thousand, is more than enough for him.

All he cares about is seeing a few thousand people show up to Yankee Stadium and staying quiet—meaning they aren't demanding the board resign.

And he achieved exactly that at the last game.
Forget those dead polls, man. He couldn't care less about surveys.

Jesse Campbell said:Honestly, you guys are talking pure nonsense.

Jerry Jones doesn't have a shred of support in this city. Not from us, anyway, and every single public opinion poll suggests his backing comes from maybe 5% of the population—the ones who are as dim-witted as they come.

Stop talking about things you clearly don't understand. 🙄

Where do you even live, man? For heaven's sake, try being realistic for once. What "dead public opinion" are you talking about? At my stadium, 80% of the crowd is booing and losing their minds, and the other 10% couldn't care less about anything. Why would I give a damn about some poll? You think some news site or TV station is going to run a survey where we're split fifty-fifty? To hell with that. Yankee Stadium is our home, and the whole stadium should be connected to us. Instead, last year during the Champions League, random people showed up specifically to spite us, physically attacking our guys who were lighting flares and pushing against the cops. Is *that* the support you’re talking about? Or the kind where nearly the entire stadium, aside from us, is cursing out Jerry Jones? We care about the fans, the actual matchday crowd, but let's face it: a) a good portion of them isn't even there. b) they absolutely loathe us. So what else is there to discuss? Are we supposed to hope that 50,000 Real Madrid fans will suddenly wake up after ten years of terror under Jerry and decide overnight that we were right all along? Hahahaha, give me a break.

Robert Cooper60 said:Man, you're being ridiculous here.
Does it even matter if the number is 5 percent or 7 or 12?
The point is, that percentage is plenty for him... especially when you consider only about 200 people showed up to the championship parade.
Keep in mind he wasn't exactly pulling in millions of dollars at the local ballpark to attract five viewers.
Look, a figure around 5,000 to 8,000—maybe even 10,000—is more than enough for him.

All he really cares about is seeing a few thousand people show up to the stadium who will just stay quiet (meaning they won't demand the board resign).

And he achieved exactly that at the last game.
Forget those useless polls, man. He couldn't care less about what a poll says.

Exactly. All that little guy needs is a few thousand people who will cheer for every minor positive move and shout "Go Real Madrid!" every ten minutes. Then he'll be happy.

She's just spinning her wheels trying to get some attention from everyone here... always needing this or that...
Specifically, nothing positive happens—or any real progress is made—for decades now... Jerry Jones acts like he's untouchable, publicly insulting Jovanović and Milovanović, even boasting that he’s more capable than all of them combined. He says the same thing to Jovka, the very person you all claimed would take him down... in the end, it backfired, and we all know why. Honestly, I find it hard to believe he's stronger than those lowlifes.
I have to wonder, are we truly such a mediocre society?
Our institutions stopped doing their jobs properly way back during the era of the Peasants' Revolt and Spartacus.
The truth is, he commands more sympathy than entire groups of BBB supporters wandering through local bars on game day (just so I can gauge the public mood). All I hear from the local "tough guys" are the same tired "ultra" arguments: how he's the right man for President because his polished, slick demeanor will get more done than anyone else. So, I try to explain the reality regarding Jerry Jones again and again, though my blood pressure is rising just thinking about it. Nobody wants to listen anymore; they're too preoccupied with their own issues and obsessed with results that only serve their own delusions. Once again, I'll state my piece, and he just tells me, "Come on, tell me honestly... what father wouldn't want his own son to play for Real Madrid under Jerry Jones?" That's my take... and there isn't much point in arguing with fools...🤣 😉
This won't stop with us; the entire Democratic Party is essentially on his target list—they're just waiting to see what happens. Today it's Rijeka and Hajduk Split, tomorrow other groups will be targeted. How long does this go on?
P.S. I'm curious, purely out of interest, what other ultimate sacrifice could be made to finally remove this "good guy" without causing a stir? Are there even a few guys left willing to risk a little jail time—say, six months? And what exactly would that involve doing?

Jesse Campbell said:🤣

Look, I’m talking about professional polling here, man... Not some random internet poll. Some of these are conducted using actual samples right in Washington, D.C... Honestly, it is unbelievable what people dump in this thread. You really think when Bernie Sanders claimed that Jerry Maguire is as popular as Newt Gingrich once was, he wasn't basing that on actual data? Politicians live and die by those numbers.

Stop tossing your arguments around like you're scattering trash in a vineyard.

Jerry Maguire has the support of a few thousand losers who show up whenever there's free stuff, while most true Dynamite fans—sadly—give the stadium a wide berth. That is the unfortunate truth, and it's the only one that matters. ... ☕

And why should we even count these loudmouths in our future plans? I don't get why we bother exhausting ourselves over their sympathizers and whatever else. There are only 500 of us, end of story. It's either they hate us or they just don't give a damn. Once we accept that, moving forward will be a lot easier.

James Ruiz57 said:Honestly, I am so sick of this. 🙂For about 20 minutes out of a 90-minute game, people start chanting against him and the whole organized crime element behind the scenes. Anyone who actually goes to the stadiums knows exactly what’s going on.

Oh, please. They are just morons who don't care about anything. It's easy for them to play the victim and make excuses when someone finally asks why they aren't standing up for an honest, clean Dynamite. Don't waste your mental energy on them.

Eric Phillips52 said:So, what are we actually expecting from these loudmouths in the future? I don't get why we bother wasting energy on their supporters and people like them. There are only 500 of us, period. It’s either they hate us or they just couldn't care less. If we just accept that reality now, moving forward will be a lot easier.

Exactly. There's no point in even acknowledging those jerks. But if there are only 500 of us, maybe we can't win this fight—unless I'm being way too pessimistic.🤷

Alex Baker2 said:That's just how it is. We shouldn't even be engaging with those scoundrels. Even with 500 of us, we won't win this fight—unless I'm just being too much of a pessimist. 🤷

Of course it's impossible. What can 500 to 1,000 people actually do against the government, the mob, and the police? 🤷😕

Eric Phillips52 said:What are we even supposed to expect from these mindless supporters in the future? I don't see the point in wasting energy on these sympathizers. There are only 500 of us, and that's it. Either people hate us, or they just couldn't care less. Once we accept that, moving forward will be easier.

It’s precisely because of those clueless football fans
that we saw the police clearing out a small group of hooligans from the stands the other day.

Do you honestly think it would have made the same impact if the entire North Stand had stormed out in protest while the West Stand just stood there ignoring the police action? 😉 (Yes, I know, this is San Francisco)

A few thousand dedicated fans showed up, along with a few thousand others who couldn't care less about what happens at the club, leaving the local supporters feeling like guests in their own stadium.

Instead of the Bad Boys getting support at home, now they have to wait for Miami and Torcida to do what the West and North Stands should have done in full force the other day.
☕

Honestly, these whiny pessimists just amuse me. God bless, they’re nineteen years old and acting like they're in some deep depression or on the verge of suicide. Everything is pitch black... Are you guys freaking idiots? 🙂

Man, there's 500 of us now. At no point in BBB history were we ever this big. What the hell are you talking about?

Look at Valsimot, who used to run a group of maybe 20 people back then. How many BBB fans were even around in the late 90s? Remember when you couldn't even fill up a 35-passenger minibus for Indianapolis? That was it. You couldn't even get 30 people from Washington, D.C. to show up for an away game in Indianapolis.

I remember that trip to San Diego when those thugs beat us down in Boise, and I REMEMBER EXACTLY that we were outnumbered because there were enough of us to fill a double-decker bus. That’s 75 people right there. Hello??!!?!

Home games? Zero, zilch, nada. People showed up.

Yeah, we’d travel in mass to Miami, and we’d pack Yankee Stadium for the big derbies. And occasionally to Europe.

But compared to back then, we’re a freaking starship in terms of numbers and everything else. We roll out whenever we can, sometimes 600 or 700 strong for away games, and that's the strength of a crew that'll damn well grow again once traveling to a game isn't such a massive risk. Most people are just cowards anyway.

Eric Phillips52 said:Where do you even live, man? Get real for once. What "dead public opinion" are you talking about? At my stadium, 80% of the crowd is booing and causing hell, and the other 10% just couldn't care less. Why would I give a damn about some poll? You think some news site or TV station is gonna run a survey where it's split fifty-fifty? Screw that. My home is Yankee Stadium, and the whole stadium should be with us. Instead, last year during the Champions League, random people showed up just to spite us, physically attacking our guys who light flares and push against the cops. That's your idea of support? Or is it this kind of support where everyone in the stands except us is basically cursing out Mamić? We care about the fans, the stadium crowd—but that crowd a) doesn't really exist, and b) hates us from the bottom of their souls. So what's left to talk about? Are we supposed to hope that 50,000 fans will suddenly realize we were right after ten years of Mamić's tyranny and start standing with us overnight? Hahaha, please.

🙂
They hate us, cry baby, cry baby.

Public opinion matters because it tells politicians what to do. Sure, Mamić can round up a few thousand losers whenever he wants, just like I said how there were 5,000 people at the Locomotive game...

Back in the 90s, the stadium was also full of idiots wearing Croatijin gear, and order was kept by kids from the Republican Party youth wing in yellow windbreakers, so what? We survived and we won...