Bad Boys

driftingotter47 said:They’ll have it, but frankly, we won't give a damn when they do. 😉

You keep posting like you actually have some skin in the game. 🤣
So now the Black List was illegal and got scrapped? I guess stealing tens of millions from the Club wasn't illegal. Just "legal" now.
Tomorrow, people will show up at the stadium to support what's ours, and honestly, the only thing that's kept me interested regarding this messed-up brand is the last couple of years. Beyond that, everyone can vote with their feet or their wallets.
over and out

silentjackal59 said:Fine. The drama moves to the stands. Real Madrid is getting kicked out of Europe thanks to Mamić.

I see your point, but I suspect this will feel more like a high school gym atmosphere before long.👍

Samuel Miller55 said:you're lying.

If that's what you say.

analogheron19 said:It honestly feels like you’re going to end up working with them whether you want to or not, basically joining their charity drives. I know for a fact I won't be doing that.

Honestly, man, have you no shame left? You aren't exactly a kid anymore.
Just last season during the derby back in July, you were the one sending messages telling everyone to just enjoy the goals, saying the old rivalries were dead, and pleading with people not to insult the players, yet now you're acting like some sort of radical activist.
What part of this isn't clicking? The Club scrapped the Black Lists, and the boycott was officially called off back on September 11, 2011... So what exactly is the issue here? We have been showing up to MLS matches regularly for five years now without anyone making a fuss, but the real problem is simply wanting to return to our own section in the stands. Who exactly are we hurting by doing that?
The Board of Directors doesn't want elections held, and we refuse to let things go their way; they are focused on maintaining control while we are focused on fighting for our rights... I don't see how anything in that equation has changed. We don't even have a full contingent of fans traveling for away games anymore, so stop lying to us. Some big shot rolls up with a massive fortune claiming he's always been part of this, but who do you think you're fooling?
Are we supposed to just sit around for another ten years waiting for the government or some biological inevitability to take its course? And then, once that happens, we find some other underdog with the exact same ideas, only to spend another decade struggling alongside them? Are we supposed to travel all over America or across Europe in groups of twenty because everyone else is nursing some grudge? It’s pathetic; it's like people are too emotionally overwhelmed to even make the trip to an away game. What is the alternative?
It was either this, or we shut everything down and just disperse entirely. But you didn't want that. You called it "surrender" and "cowardice." So, what is it you actually want?
A few years back, there was a proposal for all the supporter groups to boycott this entire mess of a league, but everyone made excuses about how their followers wouldn't be able to handle it, or how it would stunt their growth, or how the clubs are struggling just to stay afloat and don't have the money... They essentially suggested that the Bad Boys should just stay home and act like chimps in a cage while traveling through Europe just to prove some point about "mentality." Who is that actually helping?
Don't start poking at things unless you're ready for Pandora's box to burst open on the floor; it won't end well for anyone.

Brian Martin78 said:Look, man, seriously, have you no shame left? You aren't exactly a kid anymore.
Last season, back during the July derby, you were the one sending messages telling everyone to celebrate the goals, saying the rivalry was dead, and begging us not to disrespect the players. Now you’re suddenly playing the radical revolutionary?
What part of this is confusing? The Club scrapped the Black List, and the boycott ended way back in September 2011... What exactly is the issue here? We’ve been showing up to MLS games consistently for five years now without anyone making a scene, but suddenly the problem is wanting to get back to our own section? Who exactly are we hurting by doing that?
The Board of Directors just doesn't want elections to happen. We refuse to let things go their way, and they're obsessed with keeping total control. What specifically has changed about that situation?
Are we supposed to sit around for another ten years waiting for the government or nature to take its course? And then once that happens, we have to find some other underdog with the same ideas just so we can screw ourselves over for another decade? Are we supposed to travel all over the US and Europe with maybe twenty people because everyone else is too busy hating each other? It’s pathetic—people acting like they're too heartbroken to even make it to away games. What's the plan then?
It was either this, or we shut everything down and walk away. But you guys wouldn't have it. You called that "surrender" and "cowardice." So what's the alternative?
A few years back, there was a proposal for all the groups to boycott this entire mess of a league, but everyone made excuses about how their supporters wouldn't handle it. They didn't want their numbers to drop. They basically want the Bad Boys to stay home while they travel around the US and Europe like chimpanzees in a cage just to prove how "tough" they are. Who are they trying to impress?
Don't start poking at things unless you want Pandora's box to fly open and hit the floor. It won't end well.

Man, just chill out. You're talking absolute nonsense.

Austin Collins6 said:you just keep posting incessantly like you actually have any skin in the game 🤣
so now you're claiming the Black List was illegal and had to be scrapped? I guess skimming tens of millions from the Club wasn't considered illegal back then. From here on out, everything is strictly by the book, right?
tomorrow, when everyone starts cheering for anything that bears this messed-up name just because it’s "ours," I’ll be happy knowing that's the only thing we've had to celebrate in years, while everyone else can decide for themselves what they want to stomach.
over and out

if you ever figure out how sarcasm works, feel free to reach out 👍

You all created this massive commotion over some jerseys being tossed into the stands, yet you’ve spent years mentally breaking us down with those cold, judgmental stares. Even if we had gone after the people who grabbed those shirts, we’d just be met with the same tired lectures about what "elite fans" should look like. It feels like we’re constantly forced to justify ourselves—here and everywhere else—simply because half the supporters rushed the field during a goal. Meanwhile, we’re the ones who boycotted every single celebration, every cup run, and every league title since 2010. I can't think of anywhere else in the world where that kind of loyalty is treated this way. Honestly, don't bother showing up; you haven't been there for us in the past, so why start now? Instead of supporting these younger guys—who aren't even twenty-one or twenty-two yet and haven't truly lived the life in the stands—you just end up burying them. There’s no place here for anyone who turns a blind eye to everything we've been through or finds enjoyment in our struggles.

The issue isn't about coming back. It’s more about how anyone who disagrees with this specific type of return can justify supporting a Club they were trashing just a month ago. In reality, nothing has actually changed; I see that same advisor at every major event around town.
As for the rest... fine. Maybe it'll take me a little longer to wrap my head around how this whole thing works before we cross paths again.

analogheron19 said:Jack, take a breather; you’re just talking nonsense here.

Without getting into personal jabs, he's actually hitting the nail on the head regarding the harsh reality of the situation...

I honestly don't see what else there is to explain. For this group to truly matter against the backdrop of everything else, it has to take on the entire legal system, the judiciary, the executive branch, and various organized crime syndicates. It needs to endure real repression and hardship. It's like playing Ocean's 13 when operating across Europe—you have to navigate an incredible level of complexity just to get a foothold, much like how things can become easy targets in the Pyrenees. And all of this heavy lifting has to be done by the very same people.
Essentially, the group would need to fight battles on thirty-two different fronts just to earn a shred of respect, all while they're busy criticizing the state of affairs in Chicago and mocking the consequences of systemic repression.

I’ve been thinking quite a bit lately about what it actually means to be a supporter, especially when you consider how much of our identity gets tied up in the teams we follow. It isn't just about showing up to the stadium or wearing the colors on a Tuesday afternoon; there's a deeper, more quiet commitment involved that most people don't really see from the outside. I remember sitting in my living room back in Chicago during a particularly brutal losing streak years ago, feeling this strange, heavy sense of disappointment that felt almost physical, and it made me realize that we aren't just spectators. We are stakeholders in these emotional journeys. Whether it's the highs of a championship run or the crushing lows of a rebuilding season, being a true supporter means staying in the trenches through the unglamorous stretches, not just when the lights are bright and the wins are coming easy. It’s an earnest kind of loyalty that requires a certain level of patience and a lot of heart. kaže:
It’s not really about whether we should return to how things used to be; the real issue is that anyone who isn't on board with this specific type of comeback is probably wondering how they can possibly support a club they were tearing apart just a month ago. To be honest, it feels like nothing has actually changed on the ground, because I see that same advisor showing up at every single major event around town.
And, well... maybe I just need a bit more time to wrap my head around how all of this actually works before we reconnect. Once I feel like I've got a better handle on things, I'll see you then.

Look, man, you don't have to back him up; nobody is actually asking you to. The big bosses at Chelsea FC aren't going to support him any more than they ever have in the past. Honestly, have you ever been ordered to cheer for players, chant their names, or act like a complete lunatic celebrating every single goal? We aren't kids, and nobody is blind to the reality of this situation or how much things have shifted over time. Everything is changing—from the way we organize our supporter lists to the general sense that everyone is just fed up with this lethargy, sitting around waiting for some miracle to fall from the sky. You see where we stand. This entire group wouldn't even exist if it weren't for about a dozen dedicated people constantly pushing everyone else forward. Do you really think we can keep watching this mediocre nonsense in the North Stand for another ten years while every idiot who walks into the stadium treats us like we don't matter?
Does Chelsea FC really have to completely dismantle themselves just so everyone else can finally find some peace? I mean, honestly, someone please tell them that’s the only way forward, if only so the rest of us can stop dealing with the chaos and realize there's no point in even trying to compete with them anymore.

Robert Cooper60 said:The issue isn't necessarily about coming back on board; rather, those who disagree with this sudden reversal are likely wondering how they can possibly support a club they were criticizing just a month ago. And honestly, nothing has truly changed, as I see the same advisor present at every major event.
And as for me... well, perhaps I simply need more time to grasp how this entire operation functions before we cross paths again...

How does one support them? You do it exactly as you have done until now—whether it was heading out east or catching a match up north... or following them on away games. That is how. You show up to the stands and support the group so they can regain their strength, which might eventually allow for some concrete progress to be made.

Alternatively, you could just stay home and hope for some kind of miracle to fix everything.

analogheron19 said:Jack, take a breather; you're talking absolute nonsense.

Jack writes exactly how he writes in every single post...

Jonathan Barnes5 said:Without getting personal here, he’s just laying out the brutal truth..

I don't get why we even need to explain this anymore. If this group wants to matter, they need to go head-to-head with the entire legal system, the courts, the executive branch... all those various mobsters running the show. They need to be able to withstand actual repression and torture. And when they're playing Ocean's 13 style across Europe, they actually have to pull off the heist, otherwise, they're just easy targets like they were back in Pyre. All of this has to be handled by the exact same people..
Basically, this group needs to fight battles on thirty-two different fronts just to get one person to tip their hat and say "respect." Meanwhile, everyone’s busy tearing apart Chicago and mocking how bad things got because of the crackdown..

Of course he's talking nonsense, especially since he can't even get his facts straight.

analogheron19 said:Of course he’s talking nonsense, especially since he even botched the address.

I mentioned earlier that I wouldn't pry into the personal details of his registration... But if a statement about the rest of the situation is factually incorrect, shouldn't that be addressed?
Let’s be honest here; I wouldn't exactly be lining up to visit Pyre either, for some pretty obvious reasons. When you add the fact that you can't even get there without having to play-act like you're part of an elite Delta Force unit just to navigate the situation, it really brings us back to what the guy was saying. Sure, that’s just one piece of the puzzle, but it serves as a clear indicator that the entire club's management has devolved into the exact same mess. I say this with nothing but respect for everyone else who stepped up early on to try and push a proven, successful model.

Zgmarac. Asks:
How do you support him? It’s the same way you always have, whether the game is being played out East or up North... or even during away matches. Just show up. Get to the stands and back the group so they can regain their footing. Maybe then, down the road, we can actually get something real done.

You can either stay home and pray for a miracle, or you can face reality. I’ve seen enough to know miracles rarely show up when you need them.

In recent years, people weren't showing up for the club; they were showing up against it. That’s exactly why the group got kicked out of the stadium. That seems to be the core difference here—this sudden surge of fans arriving early, unless I'm mistaken and we'll see flares on the pitch during a Juventus game.
I don't hold any grudges against anyone; if they want to leave, let them go. But I can't see myself supporting this club as long as the advisor is out there partying with the players, while management tries to offload talent five minutes before a Champions League match just to balance the books—only to turn around and whine about how we almost made a deep run. It’s the same old story.

analogheron19 said:Of course they're writing nonsense, especially since they botched the address.

Only two sentences were sent to your address. I really don't have the energy to get into an argument with you.

Robert Cooper60 said:In recent years, people haven't been showing up for the club, but rather against it—which is actually why the group got kicked out of the stadium in the first place. That seems to be the core difference here. I mean, look at this whole comeback and everyone showing up to matches again, unless I'm mistaken and flares end up being thrown onto the pitch during a game against Juventus.
I honestly don't hold it against anyone; if you love the team, go support them. But personally, I don't see myself back there as long as the advisor is busy celebrating alongside the players, or while the club's priority remains selling off a key player five minutes before stepping into the Champions League, only to turn around and act all dramatic about how we almost had a miracle season and other nonsense like that.

Flares aren't going to land on the pitch during a Juventus game because they didn't used to happen then either. And when they did, it was always the "same" crowd. The reality is that someone is risking a long prison sentence or a free private lawsuit for those flares, while the rest of us are left hanging until they're released, only for the person who actually got hit by a flare to be stuck paying a massive fine the very next day. It’s just a mess. When a flare hits the field, it carries a message, and historically, the first ones have always come from OUR stands—whether it's the national team or Real Madrid. Let's not pin someone else's mistakes on us. We can blame half of this crackdown on some internet guru ranting about tear gas on the pitch. This isn't the 90s anymore.

Don't get worked up, but you clearly missed the point of my post, yet you still feel the need to reply

Man, I can still vividly picture those massive derby matches where the entire North Stand would just erupt in pure chaos. You guys looked absolutely insane, and the atmosphere was on a whole different level—just legendary. Every single inch of the upper and lower sections would be packed tight, people surging back and forth in rhythm to those "Real Madrid, Real Madrid" chants 👍 sretno, and I truly hope God lets us all experience a packed house and that kind of electric energy again soon!

Robert Cooper60 said:Don't take this the wrong way, but you seem to be missing the core context of my point while still feeling a strong urge to push back.

Fair enough, let’s look at it through a different lens. What would actually happen to the group if everyone from the Rose Bowl decided to stop showing up? It isn't like we're talking about a massive crowd, just a specific subset of people.
Since your initial point remains a bit unclear to me, perhaps you could clarify your perspective. I'm asking purely out of curiosity, with no intention of being confrontational.