Bad Boys

Robert Cooper60 said:Don't get all worked up now, but you clearly missed the entire point of what I was saying, yet you just can't seem to resist the urge to jump in with a rebuttal...

If you ask me, he understands you perfectly fine, he’s just acting like some high-and-mighty intellectual who thinks he's too good for the conversation. This whole supposed "grand comeback" looks exactly like that to me, and I truly hope the front office didn't cut any corners to make it happen, because we all remember the absolute mess we've been dealing with over the last few years, and I would hate to see all that struggle end up being for nothing...

Jonathan Barnes5 said:Fine, let's try this... What happens to the group if everyone from the Rose Bowl decides they're done showing up? It's not even a huge crowd, after all.
I don't follow what you're getting at here. Explain yourself. I'm not trying to be difficult, just confused.

If I type out seven lines and he interprets that as me inciting the "same old crowd" to throw flares at Juventus, then we really have nothing left to talk about.☕

I’ve been thinking quite a bit about our recent discussions regarding the team's performance, and I find myself reflecting on how much can change in just a single season. It feels like only yesterday we were all celebrating that massive victory at the Rose Bowl, feeling absolutely invincible, yet here we are facing a completely different set of challenges. I remember sitting in my living room back in Chicago during that championship run, watching the clock tick down and feeling this overwhelming sense of certainty that everything was falling into place perfectly. Now, looking at the current standings, there's a certain heaviness in the air, though I try to remain optimistic. I truly believe that if we can just tighten up our defensive transitions and show a bit more grit in the midfield, things will start to turn around. It isn't just about the wins and losses for me; it's about the resilience of the players and whether they can maintain their composure when the pressure starts mounting. I'm staying hopeful, and I think we should all take a breath and remember why we fell in love with this game in the first place. kaže:
If I type out seven lines of reasoning only for someone to jump to the conclusion that I’m actually inciting people to throw flares at Juventus, then we honestly don't have anything left to discuss. ☕

What’s the deal here? Are we actually going to celebrate our goals this time? It feels like we'll just have some guy standing on the fence telling us exactly when to cheer and when to keep our heads down, just like how it's been working for us up until now. 🙄

Brian Martin78 said:What’s the deal? Are we actually supposed to celebrate goals now? It'll be just like before—some guy on a fence telling you when to cheer and when to look away. Same old story. 🙄

I still stand by my last response regarding you.
Take a break.

Brian Martin78 said:I simply cannot wrap my head around these abstract concepts or what it supposedly means to be "against the club." I have never once stood against Real Madrid. However, I have stood against the club's management, and I certainly intend to continue doing so...
I am at a loss as to what else this could possibly refer to. Real Madrid has played behind closed doors in Europe maybe two or three times, or perhaps just once with limited seating, incurring fines in the process, and that is all you people seem to care about... it's just more "like" button mentality for Facebook. While some of you see your friends grabbing beers at a local pub and chipping in for their lunch, most people miss that entirely. I am not attacking you personally, but rather expressing a general opinion that being a target for twenty different idiots throwing torches onto a pitch while being watched by 200 cameras and 500 morons isn't exactly a joke. This wouldn't be such a senseless debate if I hadn't already pointed out two posts ago exactly why we can blame half of this repression on certain behaviors... People truly don't realize how much damage they've done with their idiotic online ramblings, nor how effectively the other side manipulates those same individuals through the internet...

I couldn't care less what some ultra fan group, some random outsider, or some social media page has to say, especially since they have absolutely nothing to do with true supporter mentality. What you are writing about Real Madrid is actually nonsense... plenty of people were celebrating those goals scored in places like Chicago or similar cities, and while I respect the leadership of the organized groups and honor every decision they make, I find that I cannot, and will not, celebrate this version of "Real Madrid"...

Terry Smith6 said:I honestly don't care what some random fan page says when they clearly don't get the culture. Everything you're saying about Real Madrid is just nonsense. Plenty of people were hyped about those goals in the Rose Bowl and out in Phoenix, but I support the group leaders and respect their calls. That said, I'm not celebrating this version of "Real Madrid" and I won't.

And who says you have to? Does anyone else care?
Mind your own business, Kuiš.

And what if they finally pulled the plug on this group altogether?
Do you think everyone would actually be happy then?

Bradley Sullivan4 said:And what if they finally decided to just shut this group down?
Would everyone be happy then?

The issue is that people think there's some kind of shame involved..

The issue is that nobody is actually providing answers, they're just throwing out questions.

The real issue here is that while this might seem impossible, there’s absolutely no shame in it. This isn't like being in Italy where if one Fossa shows up and says it's over, everyone just accepts it because they know exactly who holds the power and who doesn't.
What's actually happening is that certain "legends" from Chicago and Los Angeles are busy building their own little groups out of various nobodies, filling that void in the stands. They aren't bothering anyone because they don't want to disrupt the status quo. But in doing so, they've taken what should have been a perfectly logical, 100% pure supporter decision and turned it into a cheap imitation—a total sham that clings to the same old names and symbols.

Luckily, we’ve got this wild crew of misfits pushing through, and they aren't going to stop... so honestly, if everyone else could just step up and help out instead of sitting here whining like a bunch of losers, that would be great. Just get yourselves up to the Midwest, stand tall, show those coal companies exactly where they can shove it, and tell them how you really feel about the whole situation...

Nathan Lewis said:Luckily, we have a crazy crew of rebels pushing this forward and they aren't stopping. Everyone else should at least step up and help instead of whining like cowards. Get down to the North Stand, lift your heads up, flip off the coal industry, and tell them exactly how you feel.

I’m with you on this; you’ve hit the nail on the head. 👍 Furthermore, nothing changes unless there is total transparency regarding what happened with Antolić and Svetin. If there was an agreement made to bring people back, then explain it. Answer even the simplest questions about what was decided. You can't just demand people return without earning their trust first. If the goal is to make things easier only for the "inner circle," then just say so—I'd actually support that honesty, given how much these guys have sacrificed. But if the goal is to rebuild a powerhouse group, then lay the cards on the table so everyone can decide whether to start from scratch with them or not.
We need to shut down these rumors about who bought what, sold what, or who took what. It won't change the status of Juventus or create the illusion of a packed North Stand if we find ourselves surrounded by riot police again in three months because the core supporters didn't show up. Communication with the fans—those "on the outside"—has to improve, otherwise, this whole effort is useless and might as well be a key stuck in a lock.
(And for those wondering where I've been since '91: yes, I was on a blacklist and banned.)

Nathan Lewis said:Fortunately, we have a gritty, relentless crew out there pushing through this—and they’ll keep pushing—while everyone else just sits around whining like a bunch of amateurs. Instead of constant bellyaching, why don't the rest of you step up? Head up North, hold your heads high, give the establishment the finger, and tell them exactly where they can shove it.

The very same establishment they sat down at the negotiating table with.🙄

I find myself genuinely perplexed by this intense obsession you have with us. I have stated this before, but quite frankly, I could not care less whether you are official agents or not; to me, you are just like anyone else. It seems you spend far more energy scrutinizing others—us and the Armada—than actually focusing on yourselves. You likely send more messages targeting our group than you ever do to support your own club or your own supporters. Perhaps you are truly hoping the Bad Boys will fade away so you can celebrate being the only group left standing, though I doubt there is even a shred of true fandom among you. None of you would ever find joy in seeing the situation reversed, nor would you care one bit about how you might navigate such a crisis.
You have your group, and we have ours. So what if we have Torcida? What is the issue there?
We owe you absolutely no explanations, and I see zero reason to justify ourselves to people who live only to pick fights—people who were sipping beers around the neighborhood while others were doing the actual work to keep their groups alive.

Tomorrow, we’re heading over to Salat first to handle things properly, and once that's settled, we'll figure out our next move. If the folks who actually faced the violence, the threats, and the gunfire are all in agreement about heading north, then who am I to stand in their way? My only real concern is that we don't end up getting burned again by those vultures at the club with more of their empty promises.

bluebear42 said:I'm with you on this. 👍 Nothing changes unless there's total transparency regarding what happened with Antolic and Svetin. If the goal is bringing people back, just be upfront—explain what was decided, even if the question seems trivial. You can't demand loyalty without earning their trust first. If the plan is just to make things easier for the "core hundred," then just say so; I’d actually support that honesty since those guys gave everything. But if we want a powerhouse group again, lay the cards on the table so everyone can decide whether to start from scratch with them or not.
We need to shut down these rumors about who bought what or who took what. It won't change Juventus, and it won't fix the facade of a full North Stand if we're just surrounded by riot police again in three months because the real supporters weren't there. Communication with the fans—those "on the outside"—has to improve, otherwise, this whole effort is pointless.
(And for those wondering where I was, yes, I was blacklisted and banned.
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Finally, after three pages of nonsense, someone said something sensible...
Most people (your own members, and everyone else 😁 ) just want to know the truth behind this comeback.
By keeping secrets, you're losing both die-hard fans and casual supporters. That official statement should have been much better drafted.

P.S. Did they ever scrap that blacklist? You know, that legal clause where Dinamo refuses to sell tickets to habitual offenders?

John Campbell27 said:We will head over to Salat tomorrow to handle business properly, and then we shall determine our next course of action.

If anyone has any questions, you can find all the answers at Salat tomorrow, where everyone will be perfectly approachable.

EVERYONE TO SALAT!! WE ARE DINAMO!!

Mark Carter10 said:Finally, after three pages of nonsense, this guy actually said something smart...
Most people (your own supporters and everyone else 😁) want to know what’s really going on with this comeback.
By keeping things hidden, you're losing fans and supporters. Your official statement should have been written much better.

P.S. Did they scrap that blacklist rule yet? You know, that legal clause where the team stops selling tickets to repeat offenders?

You have plenty of buddies in this group who love feeding you half-truths just to feel important. Maybe go ask them.

P.S. Give my regards to those jerks.

Kyle Torres6 said:Look, buddy, you have plenty of friends in this group who love feeding you half-truths just to make themselves feel important. Maybe try asking them instead.

P.S. Give my regards to those jerks.

God forbid we face an even greater evil!

bluebear42 said:I'm with you on this. You're right. 👍 Nothing changes unless there's total transparency about what happened with Antolic and Svetin. If the goal is to bring people back, just be honest. Explain what was decided and answer even the simplest questions about those deals. If they want to bring people back, they have to earn their trust first. If the plan is just to make things easier for a "select few," then just say so. Honestly, I'd support that kind of honesty because these guys have given so much. But if we actually want a strong group again, let's put the cards on the table. Let everyone decide if they want to start from scratch with the guys or not. We need to stop these rumors about who bought what, sold what, or who took what. It won't change Juventus, and a fake image of a full North Stand is useless if we're surrounded by riot police again in three months because the core supporters weren't there to hold the line. Communication with the fans—those of us on the outside looking in—has to improve. Otherwise, this is all pointless.
(And for those wondering where I've been, I was blacklisted and banned.
)

SAME GOAL, DIFFERENT APPROACH
What exactly are you hinting at with "easier for the select few"?
Being on a blacklist isn't some huge deal. Get real. 🙂