Bad Boys

Kyle Torres6 said:Same goal, different approach.
What exactly do you mean by "easier for 100 true fans"?
Being on a blacklist isn't some actual deterrent—get real. 🙂

It’s Normlano that being banned or blacklisted isn't the end of the world for someone already facing tough circumstances; nobody was trying to see who could suffer more. I'm not making any accusations, but if the goal is truly to bring people back, then the communication regarding those changes should have been much clearer from the start. Those close to the group and the club—even if they aren't causing issues—should be the first ones welcomed back. Honestly, the hardest part will be reconnecting with the generations we lost through years of constant fighting. To pull them back in, I believe everything should have been laid out on the table: exactly what happened and how it all went down.
They say people are sharper in the morning than in the evening, so I’ll wait for everyone's impressions to settle first. I truly hope better days are ahead—if anyone deserves them, it’s this ragtag group of ours.

Yawn

Yawn LP,
Zhlanc

Scott Jones9 said:I suppose you all are actually praying for the Bad Boys to fold just so you can gloat about being the only group left standing, or whatever else you're claiming...

What utter nonsense. This isn't even about what's happening right now; you people drag this exact same tired argument out constantly.

If you—or anyone else for that matter—honestly believe someone here is celebrating because certain groups are wandering through D.C. without facing any consequences, then you're delusional.

That's all there is to it.

Mark Carter10 said:most people (your own members, and everyone else 😁 ) are wondering what’s actually going on behind this comeback
While you waste time being vague, you're losing fans and supporters.... the official statement should have been much more professionally drafted

There is nothing to hide; it is simply a continuation of the fight. We have maintained the exact same leadership and the same objectives for six years now, despite every attempt to steer the group in a different direction. Unlike some other organizations out there, we don't swap out our leadership like they change socks.

Our entire philosophy
remains the same, now and forever.

ZGV, step up to the plate—you’re one of the few people whose take on this actually carries some weight...

What are you guys even getting worked up about? A few obvious trolls show up to stir the pot, and suddenly everyone’s acting all sensitive and defensive. Once again, Torcida is acting like they don't exist, and once again, they have zero clue what actual repression or a real fight looks like.
Besides, you guys spend way more time sucking up to your own people than anyone else does.
It’s perfectly normal for fans to ask questions, too. If there’s truth to the rumors about people being stripped of their memberships, people are going to want answers.

...honestly, there are barely any people actually "ready to step up and swap" anyway.
You guys are completely forgetting about our first enemy.🤦
KDKS!

nimblecobra42 said:ZGV, you should weigh in here. You're one of the few people whose take actually matters on this thread...

I'm with you on that. 👍

I respect the right of the most active BBBa members to call the shots here, but I’m honestly struggling to see where this path leads. A deal with Mamić's satellites won't actually threaten their grip on power unless it forces an immediate restructuring of the club—one with hard deadlines based on the demands we laid out before. You know, the "one member, one vote" approach.

That's the only way to truly resurrect Dinamo from the dead. I fear these sudden outbursts of emotion will just fracture the group further, giving Mamić and his little puppets plenty of time to catch their breath. It makes me wonder how the police would react if things really kicked off from the stands, or more broadly, whether the crackdown from law enforcement would actually ease up during the chaos.

Since he was brought up, I’d actually love to hear what ZGV thinks about all of this.

First off, I want to give a shout-out to everyone who has ever stood by Dinamo—anywhere, anytime, in any way possible. That includes every single soul who’s spent their time traveling, grinding through the rough patches, and going toe-to-toe against the cops or rival fans over my 40 years as a supporter (and yeah, I’ve been on this earth for 50!). It’s a hell of a lot of people...
But now, I’ve got questions—real ones. Why are we doing this now, when the club is looking absolutely trashed and at its weakest? Why are we stepping up now, after we spent all these years without our most legendary figure? What did we actually hand over to them during those negotiations? What kind of restrictions did they slap on us? Who is the person at Dinamo acting as our point of contact right now? Are we really supposed to dance along with this mess just because he was dancing around like a maniac after that last match against Salzburg? And what are we even calling ourselves now? Last time, they branded us "mercenaries." So, what’s the difference between coming back now versus when they decided to crawl back?
It’s a ton of questions, sure, but they all stem from the same massive pile of disappointment. Honestly, I’m mostly disappointed in myself. This group and its leaders find ways to catch me off guard time and time again, yet here I am, still following them like some mindless soldier...
Pure masochism, man....

A good chunk of people are on the fence right now. The bottom line is we can't be standing in the stands alongside those agency suits and traitors. Everyone keeps asking, "But what about the agents?"

Basically, plenty of folks would actually come back—they’d even swallow some shit they don't agree with just to keep the group strong and get us back on our feet—but standing shoulder-to-shoulder with those guys after everything that happened? That's basically being a fan of the Raiders.

Matthew Martinez64 said:If anyone has questions, you can get your answers at the Salad tomorrow (and I promise nobody will eat you)

EVERYONE AT THE SALAD!! WE ARE REAL MADRID!!

The reason you guys are getting defensive when people ask for transparency about what was decided with the front office is because you think the fans are just mindless sheep. You act like if a few big shots give the word, everyone should just show up to the game without asking "why" or "how." That’s your whole policy, isn't it? Just follow orders and don't ask questions.

Just because I’m down for a decent debate doesn't mean you can go around insulting everyone and talking trash....

Come on people, quit being so exhausting. A guy just pointed out earlier that you aren't supposed to stand with 'them.' As for everything else—just show up at the Salad stadium and you'll see exactly how things are going to go down. People have made their decision, so don't go judging ahead of time. I have plenty of questions myself, but I'm not going to drone on about them endlessly here. Use your DMs; surely there are some people you know, since we can't post every single little detail publicly on the forum.

Noah Jones92 said:You all seem incredibly defensive whenever people demand transparency regarding your dealings with the establishment. It’s clear you view the Real Madrid faithful as nothing more than mindless sheep who shouldn't ask questions. In your eyes, once a few select elites give the word, everyone should just line up for the game without questioning the "why" or the "how." That is simply your policy: total obedience, zero accountability.

Just because I’m open to a civil debate doesn't mean I’m giving anyone a free pass to be abusive or talk trash....

Please, spare me. You’re only making this a big deal because you haven't been around for years, and now that you finally have something to say, you feel the need to lash out at people on these forums.

Everyone who has asked already has their answer, and everyone else will get one too—but only in the appropriate venue, not on a public forum where just any random person can snoop around.

You could pick up the phone and call them. You could head down to the local Salad shop today and ask in person. You could even swing by Broadway to get some answers. But no—it’s much easier to just sit here and talk trash about people online.
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Drew Barnes4 said:A good chunk of the crowd is still on the fence. The bottom line is you can't be seen standing on the terrace alongside those agency hacks and traitors. Everyone’s first question is always, "But what about the agents?"

So, a significant number of people would actually consider coming back—they'd even swallow certain grievances just for the sake of the group's stability and to get back on firm footing again. But standing shoulder-to-shoulder with those people after everything that happened? That would put you on par with the Gravediggers—one of the most notorious agencies in history.

What exactly have all these people done to ensure the agents are gone?

They've been sipping beers at the local pub—the same crowd in Athens, Karlovac, or out on Kranjčevićeva street, hanging around the hired muscle.

My friends, it is far too easy to beat around the bush and criticize from the sidelines.

Everyone has grown accustomed to not showing up at Central Park, not taking to the streets, and now, apparently, not even bothering with away games. People are constantly hunting for excuses for their own inactivity, while the majority pours beer down their throats, a tiny minority is out there bleeding for the cause.

The group needed a wake-up call; this was the only way to do it.

Regarding the guy in the post above.
Think about it: when an opponent is weak, do you give them space to catch their breath, or do you turn up the pressure?

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Hey everyone, let's all just take a deep breath and dial back the intensity online for a second.
Lately, there’s been a lot of noise flying around—so many different stories, most of them completely inaccurate, which is pretty much what happens on the internet when facts get twisted almost immediately.
Back toward the end of last year, the club reached out to usexpressing that they wanted us back in the stands.
Naturally, everyone had their own set of conditions.
Following a few recent situations, the main guys running the show (just to be clear, I’m not one of them) decided to sit down for some discussions—actual talks, not negotiations with the front office.
Over time, those conversations evolved, and we eventually reached an agreement to return to the stands.
We’re coming back because it’s what’s best for the group, which I think is pretty obvious to everyone here.
For most of us, however, the spark isn't quite there anymore, and honestly, we just don't feel that same emotional connection to the goals or the atmosphere like we used to.

The people throwing criticism at us are mostly outsiders who aren't actually 100% invested. They tend to just comment and complain from the sidelines without doing anything concrete to help improve the group or the situation surrounding the club as a whole.

If more people had been actively involved over the years instead of leaving everything to a core group of maybe thirty to fifty younger guys, things might look very different right now.
It’s also worth noting that this entire arrangement was coordinated with all the active crews who are truly part of this—the ones who are actually "in it," traveling to away games and following the team through everything. So, in my opinion, there really shouldn't be any doubt about our return.

There are still plenty of unanswered questions, but this forum isn't the place to settle them since nothing can actually be decided here.

Best,
R.

Jonathan Edwards said:What have all those people actually done to make it so there aren't any agents left?

Just drinking beers at their local pub. Same crowd in Athens, Karlovac, on Kranjceviceva, or just hanging out on street corners with the workers.

I’m not talking about the core BBB guys, but the ones who used to be active, the casual fans, the sympathizers, etc. There are plenty of people who aren't official BBB members but would jump back into the stands to stand with the group and feel part of it. Those 5,000 or 6,000 people in the lower section during a derby aren't all BBB. The BBB are a minority... they always have been and always will be. I’m talking about the people who show up to the north end, chant for the full 90 minutes, wave flags, follow the lead, and soak up the vibe. Those people aren't going to slide into DMs, call Illica, or ask Šalat for inside info. People have a right to know things, even if it's public on a forum, because honestly, the situation is sensitive and everyone is wondering what's up. This news about returning hit them like a bolt from the blue, especially after everything that went down over the last 5 or 6 years. People are confused. I know the original crew couldn't care less because they fought this battle on their own, but even for someone like me—who isn't nearly as active as I used to be—about ten different people called me since yesterday asking what's happening and what the deal is. It's awkward as hell and I feel like crap because I don't have anything smart to say as a former active member. Look... just chill out a little and things will get better. See you at Šalat. 👍

Jesse Doyle3 said:anyone who asks will get an answer, but I'm saving it for the right venue, not this random forum where every Joe Schmoe hangs out

Honestly, they actually pulled some weight here on the forum too. They went into the weeds until they secured the lifting of blacklists for all the other supporter groups. My own take—and look, I'm definitely an outsider here—is that instead of falling into that typical testosterone-fueled playground mentality, you’ve gotta keep a cool head if you actually want to see any real results from what you're doing.