Bad Boys

wanderingwolf3 said:I mean, someone should just go ahead and post some footage or photos of that same crew, or even some other group that actually "did most of the work" back in the day in the city during the 90s. I bet nothing exists except maybe from that tournament in Denmark in '97, but that was basically the national team and things were pretty upbeat then. That’s probably the biggest difference between our two groups; your whole narrative is that we're just some random outsiders or whatever, but those "outsiders" showed up for every single derby in town to grab a beer, and yeah, sometimes they took a beating or got into a scrap, but they always showed up. That’s unlike you guys, because back then, your big excursions were mostly just trips to nearby towns or crews out of Petrinja (respect to them, though), while you guys were busy acting like you owned the city in Chicago. And here's another lie—that we weren't walking the streets until '92. We were roaming around everywhere right up until that bloody derby, and after that, those "outsiders" realized you guys weren't that tough crowd from the old days anymore. But people still kept coming our way and getting roughed up, because I guess that’s just how we roll. It's better to show up and take a hit than to wait twenty years after forming a group to finally show up in the city in 2006. Honestly, I don't really care about writing this, but you're lying to your own kids about being the "protectors of the city" and representing the best club in Europe when you wouldn't have even seen the waterfront if it wasn't for that truce a few years ago.

Denmark, pay attention now, specifically regarding '97 and all that talk about the outsiders and the bad boys.

cosmicridge6 said:Cheering for a shutout in Lyon? We basically have a PhD in losing 3-0 at this point. Hang in there, boys...

Whether it's 0-4 or 5-0, it doesn't matter. 😍

wanderingwolf3 said:Alright, let's see someone actually post a video or a photo of this same crew—or any other group—that supposedly "did most of the heavy lifting" back in the city during the 90s. I bet there isn't a single shot of it, unless maybe from that tournament in Denmark back in '97, but that was the national team and everyone was having a blast. That’s the biggest difference between our two groups. Your whole narrative is that we’re just some bottom-feeders or whatever, but those "bottom-feeders" showed up at every single derby in town to grab a beer. Sometimes we took a beating, sometimes we handed them one, but we always showed up. Unlike you guys, whose big "territory" back then was basically just random towns in the Midwest or some small-town crews from Petrinja (props to them), while you were all busy playing "city protectors" in Chicago. And here's another lie: saying our street presence ended in '92. We were walking the streets and causing trouble right up until that bloody derby, and after that, our crew realized you weren't that same ragtag bunch from the early 90s anymore. But people still came our way looking for trouble and got what was coming to them because that’s just how we roll. It's better to show up and take a hit than to wait twenty years after forming a group to finally show up in the city for the first time in 2006. Honestly, I don't even want to write this, but you're lying to your kids about being the "protectors of the city" and the pride of Chicago, the supposed top firm in Europe, when you wouldn't have even seen the waterfront if there hadn't been a truce a few years ago.

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Man, the exact same core group that always had the banners at the Rose Bowl (mostly the Petrinja crowd) were the ones calling the shots and hunting through Chicago. Back in the early nineties, we’d mostly get to the city by foot or by bus. We’d walk all the way from the station over to Bacvic where the players were staying at the Park Hotel. Someone would drop a few bucks, and we’d end up trekking all the way from Bacvic to the Rose Bowl on foot. And that was just a handful of us carrying banners on our backs.
Do you really think it was nothing to us, the ones who actually made the trip every time? You think we didn't care about trekking across the entire city, stopping at those little stands to buy tickets, and then heading to the entrance of the cage? There wasn't even a fenced-off parking lot or a proper walkway to the stadium back then... and after the game, we'd trek across town again, either back to the station or toward Solin to catch a ride or hop on a bus headed back to Chicago.
In Chicago, you guys were the ones taking the hits and the beatings because it took you way too long to realize that those old habits of roaming the streets suddenly became a bad idea.

analogheron19 said::klap:
Man, the same crew carrying flags at the Rose Bowl (mostly from Petrinja) were the ones calling the shots when we hit Chicago. Back in the early nineties, we’d roll into town by hitchhiking or a Greyhound, usually trekking all the way from the station down to Bacvic where the players stayed at the Park Hotel. We'd walk the whole distance from Bacvic to the Rose Bowl with banners over our shoulders.
You think it was easy for us guys traveling in? You think we didn't care about trekking across the entire city just to buy tickets at some little booths before hitting the stadium gates? There wasn't even paved parking or decent access to the arena back then... and after the game, we'd trek through the city again, either back to the station or heading toward Solin hoping to catch a ride or a bus headed back to Chicago.
In Chicago, you guys took beatings because it took you forever to realize those old habits of wandering the streets suddenly became a massive liability.

There wasn't a single nineties derby where we weren't there. We'd be out early looking for trouble, but you never saw the Bad Boys. It was easier to spot a weirdo in the crowd than one of us. ☕

And man, so many of our guys used to wander around Chicago that my grandma would've grabbed her shawl and a rag just to deal with the mess.

analogheron19 said:Do you honestly think we were just some random group of nobodies showing up? You think we didn't care about trekking through the entire city, hitting those little ticket booths before finally making it to the stadium gates? There was no dedicated parking or easy access back then... we'd finish the game and have to trek all the way across town to catch a bus, or head out toward Solin just to wait for a ride back to Chicago.
You guys took a beating in Chicago because it took you forever to realize that those old habits—wandering aimlessly through the streets—suddenly became a massive liability.

What you guys were doing at ST, there were a thousand people doing the same thing over in ZG.
Ever since then, the scale of the trouble has just exploded. I'm not sure I follow what you're getting at.

jadeowl8 said:There wasn't a single game where we didn't run into the Bad Boys, at least regarding the derbies; from the early morning hours, we’d head out specifically to mess with them, but I honestly never once saw the boys themselves. It was actually easier to spot some random local weirdo than it was to find you guys.☕

And considering how many of our crowd used to wander around Chicago, my grandmother would have probably grabbed her shawl and a rag just to deal with them.

Similarly, I was present for many derby matches during the late 90s... there was that one solitary occasion I saw the boys live at ST, one guy down by the waterfront near the pier, getting jumped by ten people until some "older" gentleman stepped in and said, "Leave him be," gave him a quick kick in the rear, and sent him packing south... he had a backpack on, sure, but the atmosphere just wasn't there. The next time I crossed paths with them was when that bus from the suburbs rolled in during the takeover, but that was the 2000s...

It’s all a bit nonsensical since it comes down to preference... personally, I’d much rather have a smaller group show up than have a hundred outsiders swarm the city and embarrass the collective... that lack of presence is really just proof of poor organization, as every small faction has its own specific vibe, xyz... then again, some people would rather show up and take a beating than stay home. Generally speaking, Americans tend to lean toward that specific brand of ultra mentality, whether it's BBB or Torcida, especially when traveling through Europe... but the fact remains that the boys weren't making their presence felt at ST or acting like the heavyweights in Chicago throughout the 90s. Besides, Chicago in the 90s and Chicago today are two entirely different cities... back then, the city felt gritty and unpredictable, almost a little haunting, whereas today, you don't feel that tension at all.

Jamie Green62 said:What you two were doing in the USA, at the exact same time, there were a thousand people moving in New York City.
Since then, smoking more rags is the equivalent of that kind of volume. I don't even get what you're trying to say here.

If it’s true that we weren't out walking around, it just shows... how negligible our numbers were compared to your crowd in New York City.
Look, those of us who showed up aren't to blame just because we were a small group.
We did our part honestly, and if the rest of the crew didn't catch on... well, that's on them.
But saying they didn't notice us is a total lie. Plenty of times people recognized us on the bus, down at Miami Beach, all over the city, and around the Rose Bowl... people actually approached us, shook our hands, and showed respect because we’d run into each other in New York City before and always played fair in the scuffles (I'm talking about the Petrinjac fights). Usually, after a quick chat, it went like this: "Stay safe, people are pissed and looking for you," or something like that... a handshake, and everyone goes their separate ways.

If my memory serves me right, back in '96, the turnout for the Bad Boys at the Rose Bowl was pretty impressive—that one game that ended 3:2. It was sitting at 2:2 before Sican stepped up and buried the winner.

cosmicheron21 said:If I remember right, the Bad Boys turnout at the Rose Bowl back in '96 was pretty solid—that game ended 3:2. It was tied 2:2 before Ceko pulled through with the winner.

Yeah, our first time seeing an MLS match. Total culture shock. We were hanging out at a Chinese spot, sipping on some red wine, when suddenly LA Galaxy starts storming in. We thought we were dreaming. 😁
We didn't even finish the wine—we were so curious we bolted straight to the stadium just to see what the hell was happening. 😁

The timing, persistence, and sheer volume of people participating in these discussions (especially from the south) is quite interesting.
But don't let them get under your skin 🍿

The timing is always spot on—honestly, sometimes I feel like they’ve got some high-tech AT&T command center handling everything behind the scenes. They’ve already taken forty hits on this topic... and now this comeback is seriously suffocating them.

Jonathan Cooper6 said:The timing is always spot on. Honestly, I sometimes think they have an entire support center like AT&T handling their online presence and all that stuff... 40 people just jumped on this thread... they're getting smothered by the comeback being this intense..

There was actually a meeting called "Deploy the Internet Militia." It’s getting wilder by the second..😁😁
Why even bother going out anymore..
Being a fan these days is just complicated.

coastalheron12 said:It was my first time witnessing an MLS match, and honestly? It was a total cultural shock. We pulled up to the stadium, feeling like we were settling in for a nice little evening—maybe grab some local wine, relax, get comfortable. Then, out of nowhere, Real Madrid starts throwing everything they’ve got at us. I swear, for a second there, I thought we were all just dreaming. 😁
We didn't even get a chance to finish our first glass of wine before we were rushing straight to the stadium just to see what the hell was actually going on. 😁

The numbers were pretty ugly about a year prior, back in mid-'95, when we saw somewhere between 300 and 350 Bad Boys show up in the southwest section. Regardless, it was a massive leap forward compared to those years before, when you couldn't even get 50 people to show up.
Of course, nothing compares to that old era of trains and buses back in '96. I remember it like it was yesterday—there were probably over 2,000 people packed into the Rose Bowl. But honestly? The best part wasn't even the crowd size. It was finally seeing those endless rows of banners draped over the fences and seeing those 300 or so dedicated souls standing firm behind them. It just felt different back then.
http://www.zaslike.com/files/zmkmt2j6eq27hofycyu.jpg

One of my absolute favorite shots from that away game in Miami back in 2006.
http://i45.tinypic.com/1zf4do7.jpg

gentlebison72 said:The numbers were just as messy a year earlier, back in mid-'95, when maybe 300 to 350 Bad Boys showed up in the southwest stands. Still, it was a massive jump compared to the fifty people we saw limping in for years before that.
Of course, you can't compare that to the trains and buses in '96 when there were probably over 2,000 people at the Rose Bowl, but wasn't it nice to finally see a sea of banners on the fence and 300 people actually standing behind them after all those dry years?
http://www.zaslike.com/files/zmkmt2j6eq27hofycyu.jpg

One of my favorite shots from that Miami away trip back in 2006.
http://i45.tinypic.com/1zf4do7.jpg

That last photo is from '96, I believe... back when it ended 3-2 for the home side.

analogmaker14 said:The timing, the persistence, and the sheer number of people joining this discussion from the South is quite interesting.
Don't let them push you around. 🍿

It’s like a cult that just keeps recycling the same nonsense. You could open a whole new forum section here and it wouldn't matter; they’re completely delusional. Everywhere you look, there's a pack of parrots tasked with spinning everything to make it look like a win for the supposed "only ones fighting." They claim things like Mamić getting arrested twice or two big wins are huge victories. It's getting harder to tell what they actually consider a win... even protesting against the Republican Party or the White boys counts as a victory in their eyes. Everything is a win.

Daniel Carter9 said:Just another cultist circle repeating the same tired nonsense over and over. Honestly, you could open a corner of this forum and it would still feel like an asylum. Everywhere you look, there are just fifteen parrots programmed to spin everything as a victory for the "only ones fighting the good fight." Paper victories. Arresting Mamić twice? That's two wins. Protesting against the Republican Party? Another win. White boys winning? Sure, another win. It’s all just a list of imaginary triumphs.

Just give me the actual wins, you know? I need them to actually mean something. Let those real victories echo for once...

Daniel Carter9 said:It’s just one damn cult, endlessly looping the same tired nonsense. Even if you set up a dedicated corner here for them, the whole thing would still feel like an asylum. You have about fifteen parrots buzzing all around, tasked with framing everything as a victory for the few who claim to be fighting the good fight. On paper, they point to Mamić being arrested twice or two wins on the pitch. It becomes increasingly difficult to decipher what constitutes a "win" in their eyes... protesting against the Republican Party is a win, the White boys winning is a win... it’s just a constant stream of manufactured victories.

You call someone a cultist while you're sitting there reading the very corner you despise...

And honestly, if we were to actually document our moves against the mafia and how that resonates through the media and society—and even through you lot—we’d look like a goddamn starship compared to your little rowboats...

P.S. We ended up congregating here because you all pretend to be ultras, yet you've made moves that bear absolutely no resemblance to the ultra mentality. But time will tell; Juventus and Miami will both face their reckoning, and I am genuinely curious to see if you'll ever actually bring the spirit back to the stadium...

Gary Green32 said:ps... you guys only show up here acting like you're hardcore ultras, but let's be real—what you just pulled has absolutely nothing to do with an ultra mentality...

The only reason you're even posting here is because you're a bunch of loudmouths and egos looking to hype up your own little club while spending 24/7 obsessing over everyone else.

Ultra mentality? Don't even try to lecture us on that, because you’re the last people on Earth who could pull it off. We don't talk about your pathetic compromises—not because you're good at hiding them, but because we refuse to end up as bottom-feeders like you. There’s a line between having a laugh and being straight-up toxic, and you crossed it a long time ago. And now, after everything you've done, you have the nerve to sit there calling yourself a "legend" and preaching about "ultra mentality." Give me a break.

Sure, like we're gonna see 4,000 die-hards in the North Stand and 3,000 traveling fans at every away game... just because everyone in NYC thinks we're the biggest thing since sliced bread 🙏

What a bunch of idiots 🙏

But yeah, you're onto something... we gotta get people back into the stadium. Honestly, if we don't start showing up, the whole thing is dead in the water

Man, look, he’s actually got a point here; the only real solution is to just shut this whole group down 👍