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Best offshore sportsbooks for online betting?

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restlessgardener85 restlessgardener85 Newcomer
3 messages
joined Dec 2010
#1201 ·
Anthony Perez55 said:DraftKings limited my stakes to just $1 😢
The only place where I actually have a system that works is with them. I have a bit of luck with Marathon too, though their odds and selection aren't nearly as good.

Should I just open an account under someone else's name, try to mask my IP, and keep grinding until they flag that one too—or just call it quits? 🤷

(P.S. By "call it quits," I mean taking my winnings, reinvesting them into top-tier tipsters, building a solid portfolio, and moving into more serious play.)

(P.P.S. I’ve gotten really hooked on this specific way of betting—it’s how I’ve grown my bankroll—and honestly, it breaks my heart a little to watch those parlays hit every single day when I haven't even made a cent off them. My gut tells me I should be winning.😢 )

Look, you tell me your winning strategy, and I'll tell you how to fix your problem.🤣

Anyway, regarding DraftKings... just set up a new account in someone else's name, mess around a bit with the verification and PayPal (if that's what you use), and just keep going. Honestly, the IP address isn't the issue—I can tell you from experience. They won't shut down a new account just for that; at least they haven't done it to me, and I've lost track after my third or fourth account... I've even logged in and made deposits back-to-back from different accounts without a hitch. You only get flagged once you start actually making money; after a while, a red light probably goes off on their end.

Now, let's hear about that strategy of yours.😁
silverridge3 silverridge3 Active Member
92 messages
joined Sep 2012
#1202 ·
Kimberly Clark54 said:What's the deal with the bonuses over at Marathon? I can't make heads or tails of their little schemes. Like, how do you even qualify for a bonus in the first place?

Yeah, well, I haven't heard of anyone actually landing one yet...
Nicholas Palmer75 Nicholas Palmer75 Member
30 messages
joined May 2011
#1203 ·
Robert Wright4 said:Anyone here dealt with Marathon before?

They claim payouts to your account take maybe 3-5 business days. Well, I'm sitting here on day 10 (requested my cash back on April 27th) and I still haven't seen a dime. I sent them an email on Monday asking what the hell was going on and when I'd see my money, and they just give me some canned response saying it’s processed and takes 3-5 business days. So I sent another one, basically telling them, "Look, I read your rules, I know how long you say it takes, but it's been 10 days and I'm still broke."

And then yesterday, I went ahead and requested another payout too...

Look, withdrawals to a bank account always drag on longer. It's usually not even about the sportsbook; it's about the banks using your money for their own nonsense while it's in transit. If you use PayPal, you'll get it in like 30-60 mins. 🤷
Ashley Johnson6 Ashley Johnson6 Member
18 messages
joined Mar 2015
#1204 ·
restlessgardener85 said:Look, if you give me your winning strategy, I'll tell you how to fix your issue... 🤣

Anyway, regarding DraftKings... just open a new account under someone else's name—it's a bit of a hassle with the verification and PayPal (if you use that)—but then you're good to go. The IP address isn't an issue, at least from my experience. They won't shut down a new account because of that... they haven't done it to me, and I've got three or four accounts already, I've lost track... I've even logged in and made deposits back-to-back from different accounts without any trouble. You only get flagged once you actually start winning—after a while, I guess a red light goes off on their end...

So, let's hear that strategy... 😁

Strategy? I'm just looking for value in live betting... 🤷

As for my situation, you might be right—you probably are—but I tend to be a bit paranoid. My betting patterns are pretty specific, so it would be way too easy to profile me... especially if they link it to my IP address... 🤷

Someone mentioned there's software out there for managing static and dynamic IPs... does anyone here know much about that?
Dennis Taylor87 Dennis Taylor87 Newcomer
3 messages
joined Jul 2011
#1205 ·
I'm having some trouble signing up on Betway because the US isn't showing up as an option in the country selection menu...
Does anyone happen to know more about this? I guess maybe they've kicked us out or something?
rapidhound19 rapidhound19 Newcomer
5 messages
joined Jul 2011
#1206 ·
It feels like this was discussed already... If I recall correctly, they stopped accepting new registrations from the US and several other regions back on May 1st. The only ones who can still play on Betway are those who already had an active account before the cutoff.
restlessgardener85 restlessgardener85 Newcomer
3 messages
joined Dec 2010
#1207 ·
Anthony Perez55 said:A pattern? I’m just looking for value in live betting... 🤷

As for my own situation—you might be right, honestly, you probably are—but I have this habit of overthinking things. My betting patterns are pretty specific, so they could easily be reverse-engineered, especially if someone manages to link them back to my IP address... 🤷

Someone mentioned there's software out there for playing with static or dynamic IPs; does anyone here know much about how that works?

There's Tor Browser which hides your IP, and honestly, there's a ton of stuff out there—I'm definitely no expert on the technical side... but from what I understand, those kinds of tools constantly rotate your IP. It makes it look like you're logging in from India one day and Pakistan the next, which just looks super suspicious... but again, don't quote me on that, I'm not an IT guy.

One thing I can tell you for sure, though: don't sweat it too much. Once you get your account verified, the absolute worst-case scenario is that they just limit you again (if you're actually good at this, that's basically inevitable—it's just a matter of when). You won't lose your money, though. So, in that sense, there isn't really a risk to you... I know that for a fact because I'm already on my third and fourth accounts over there...
Michael Morgan5 Michael Morgan5 Active Member
141 messages
joined Dec 2015
#1208 ·
I’m curious about whether the current Gambling Law regarding playing at foreign online bookies within the European Union is still going to be enforced after July 1st.
restlessgardener85 restlessgardener85 Newcomer
3 messages
joined Dec 2010
#1209 ·
I'm not quite sure which specific Law you're referring to here...
slybison8 slybison8 Active Member
162 messages
joined Oct 2011
#1210 ·
restlessgardener85 said:I am not entirely certain which specific Law you are referring to, I guess.

I suppose he might be referring to... I suppose there is some ongoing discussion regarding the current Gambling Law.

I will take some time to read through it later today, and if I happen to find anything worthwhile to mention, I suppose I will let you know. However, based on basic logic, if the US joins the unified European Union market on July 1st, then the status of bookmakers registered within the EU should probably be made equal to those registered here in America.

I suppose this won't apply to lottery games run under a state monopoly, such as Powerball or Bingo. In most European Union nations, those are also restricted strictly to residents, or perhaps tourists on temporary stays who happen to be physically present within the country at the moment they purchase their ticket.

The same principles apply to transnational games like Mega Millions and Powerball. I suppose you can only play them through an authorized operator in the country where you actually reside, or perhaps if you happen to be physically present in another country at the exact moment you place your bet.

I suppose those other types of bookmakers are a different matter entirely—they aren't tied up by a state-run monopoly. Since they operate within a free market, I guess it follows that under any reasonable legal logic, everyone across the United States should be able to choose any provider they like and bet without facing any sort of restrictions.

I suppose this might be considered a controversial provision within the aforementioned Law:

Chapter IX. Foreign Gambling Operations

I believe this refers to Article 68.


It is strictly prohibited:

I suppose it might be considered a violation of the Gambling Law if an overseas operator were to host any types of games of chance covered under Article 5 or the prize competitions mentioned in Article 69 within the United States.

I suppose there might be some legal implications regarding participating in foreign gambling if the stakes are being placed within the United States, according to the current Gambling Law.

I suppose there might be some legal complexities regarding how one goes about collecting funds within the US to participate in or pay for lottery games hosted by foreign operators.

The sale, possession, business transfer, leasing, advertising, or any form of promotion regarding foreign gambling or prize games within the United States is strictly regulated under our current Gambling Law.

The prohibition outlined in paragraph 1, point 4 of this article, I suppose, would also apply to service providers and publishers.

I suppose that under current American law, individuals who are visiting the United States on a temporary basis are permitted to hold stakes or winnings from foreign gaming operations, provided it is strictly for their own personal participation in the games.

In my opinion, this provision doesn't seem to align with the established legal standards of the European Union. Furthermore, I suppose paragraph 3 might be entirely unenforceable given that customs controls have been abolished at borders with other EU nations. I guess it raises the question of how anyone at a border crossing could possibly verify whether an American citizen is carrying a payment slip or a ticket from a foreign lottery in their pocket or wallet. 😕

There is also another controversial detail to consider: if something was acquired legally in another country, the US might, under international law, attempt to levy customs duties or taxes on the possession of that item or document—but... I suppose one might wonder if such measures could actually be implemented to prohibit it entirely. I find that quite strange, I suppose.

One would expect to see such strict legal regulations regarding the possession of alcohol or pork products purchased abroad in a place like Saudi Arabia, yet here we are in a country that is scheduled to join the European Union in just six weeks. It feels quite unusual, I guess.

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restlessgardener85 restlessgardener85 Newcomer
3 messages
joined Dec 2010
#1211 ·
Honestly, I’ve been thinking about this for years—we really shouldn't have even been able to bet online if certain existing laws were actually being enforced... but anyway, I don't really expect much to change for those of us who gamble online. If anything, we might get some extra perks, like having the option to get a Maestro card through PayPal to use for payments across the US—though I haven't fully dug into all the specifics yet.
Ashley Johnson6 Ashley Johnson6 Member
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joined Mar 2015
#1212 ·
restlessgardener85 said:honestly—we haven't even been able to bet online for years because certain laws (that actually exist) aren't being enforced... anyway, I don't really believe anything is going to change for us online bettors... if anything, we might get the chance to get a Maestro card through PayPal and use it across the US—I haven't looked into all the specifics yet...

The issue is just that the law is incredibly vague, ambiguous, and incomplete... basically, it’s unfinished. That’s probably why it isn't being enforced—there's nothing to actually enforce.

Reading through this stuff multiple times, I'm noticing that "online" betting or internet gambling isn't even mentioned anywhere. You can't just lump a foreign operator in with an online sportsbook—because the whole process of placing a bet (connecting via an American ISP to a server located somewhere else entirely—where are we actually located at that exact second?? 😕) is extremely complicated... and legally speaking, it's completely undefined.

It's interesting what slybison8 is saying—that logically, betting at foreign online books should be legal soon—but to me, it feels like online betting isn't even prohibited right now 🤷
Andrew Morris6 Andrew Morris6 Newcomer
9 messages
joined May 2013
#1213 ·
So, following the logic of this Gambling Law, does that mean advertising foreign online sportsbooks is also prohibited? For what it's worth, I personally use DraftKings and haven't run into any issues. They actually tend to send over a $5 Loyalty Bonus once or twice a month, which isn't a bad perk. 😁

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy
Melissa Brown2 Melissa Brown2 Newcomer
2 messages
joined Aug 2013
#1214 ·
Is it possible to have someone I know transfer some cash to my Neteller account, just so I can move it over to DraftKings or Marathon?
I don't have a foreign currency account—that's why I'm asking...
Adam Bennett5 Adam Bennett5 Newcomer
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joined May 2013
#1215 ·
http://tipodrom.com/index.php/kladionice
Check it out. I’ve put together some detailed breakdowns on several international online sportsbooks right here.
If this link is an issue, just shoot me a DM and I'll pull it down immediately.
Cheers...
Michael Morgan5 Michael Morgan5 Active Member
141 messages
joined Dec 2015
#1216 ·
restlessgardener85 said:Look, we shouldn't have even been able to bet online for years if certain laws were actually being enforced... honestly, I don't see anything changing for us online bettors. If anything, we might get access to things like a PayPal Maestro card to use for payments across the US—though I haven't really dug into the fine print yet.

Yeah, I know it’s a gray area, but I’m not about to let some offshore sportsbook freeze my funds just because of this nonsense.
I'll stick with these mice* from the States for another month and then I'm going to go find something that actually suits my taste.

*nibble nibble 5% manipulative fees and nibble nibble 5% on every single bet authorization

After January 7th, I'm gonna give them something real to chew on.
restlessgardener85 restlessgardener85 Newcomer
3 messages
joined Dec 2010
#1217 ·
Michael Morgan5 said:Look, I know it's a bit of a gray area, but I just don't want some random offshore sportsbook freezing my funds because of those little technicalities.
I'll stick with these mice* from the USA for another month or so—then I'll go find something that actually fits my style.

*nibble nibble 5% in manipulation fees and nibble nibble 5% on every single bet authorization

Once July 1st rolls around, I'm letting them chew on whatever they want.


Man, who's actually going to block your money? No way, Jose... They haven't done that to anyone in years, and personally, nobody has touched a single cent of mine in three or four years...
Andrew Morris6 Andrew Morris6 Newcomer
9 messages
joined May 2013
#1218 ·
restlessgardener85 said:Honestly, who is actually going to block your funds? No way, Jose... It hasn't happened to anyone in years. As for me, I haven't had a single cent withheld in three or four years...

What exactly are you basing that on?

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Rebecca Scott6 Rebecca Scott6 Newcomer
3 messages
joined May 2013
#1219 ·
Hi there
I'm pretty new to all of this, so I'd really appreciate any help you guys could give me. 😁
Basically, I'm looking to open an account with DraftKings. I've been reading through the terms, and it looks like the US is excluded from certain things along with a bunch of other places. It seems like if you're based in the US, you can't really bet there anymore.
I'm mainly interested in live betting, and I was wondering—if I go ahead and register, can I actually use the bonus and my own deposited funds for that?
So, from what I gather, I need to wager the total amount three times over. Do I have to do that all at once, or can I spread it out over several bets? I guess it just matters that the full amount gets turned over three times, right?
🤷
One more thing—how do people here usually fund their accounts? Can I just use something like Chase, or would I need to set up something else entirely?
Thanks
Ashley Johnson6 Ashley Johnson6 Member
18 messages
joined Mar 2015
#1220 ·
Rebecca Scott6 said:Basically, I'm looking to open an account with DraftKings... but now I'm reading the terms and it looks like the US is excluded along with a bunch of other places. It feels like you can't even bet there anymore if you're living in the States...

Are you sure about that?
I just tried it with a different account and it went through without any issues... 🤷

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