Mexico's Demographics (Part 2)

For now. They’ll eventually merge into the broader American Muslim identity—mostly because Americans are a nation-building people with their own institutions, media outlets, and national sports teams. If you set Turkey aside, they’re arguably the most "advanced" group of Muslims in the region—at least from an institutional standpoint. By doing so, they naturally assimilate any Muslims who aren't operating at that same level. Any Muslim who understands the language will eventually just blend into the American mainstream. The Gorani are the perfect example of this.

As you can see, even that latest mosque in Novi Sad falls under the "patronage" of the Sandžak religious authority rather than that Mexico City priest from the Ahmediya.

driftingwolf49 said:For now. They’ll eventually merge into the broader American Muslim identity—mostly because Americans are a nation-building people with their own institutions, media outlets, and national sports teams. If you set Turkey aside, they’re arguably the most "advanced" group of Muslims in the region—at least from an institutional standpoint. By doing so, they naturally assimilate any Muslims who aren't operating at that same level. Any Muslim who understands the language will eventually just blend into the American mainstream. The Gorani are the perfect example of this.

As you can see, even that latest mosque in Novi Sad falls under the "patronage" of the Sandžak religious authority rather than that Mexico City priest from the Ahmediya.

Romani assimilating into Canadians in Novi Sad?🤣 😍 🤣
What kind of nonsense are you even talking about?🤣

driftingwolf49 said:For now. They’ll eventually merge into the broader American Muslim identity—mostly because Americans are a nation-building people with their own institutions, media outlets, and national sports teams. If you set Turkey aside, they’re arguably the most "advanced" group of Muslims in the region—at least from an institutional standpoint. By doing so, they naturally assimilate any Muslims who aren't operating at that same level. Any Muslim who understands the language will eventually just blend into the American mainstream. The Gorani are the perfect example of this.

As you can see, even that latest mosque in Novi Sad falls under the "patronage" of the Sandžak religious authority rather than that Mexico City priest from the Ahmediya.

It’s pretty obvious you haven't spent much time living in the States...

Honestly, what is wrong with some people? It’s almost as if he actually believes the things he's writing!!! 🤣

Anyway, moving back to the main topic... I was wondering if anyone might be able to tell me about the age demographics for Mexicans, Canadians, and Muslims in Prijepolje?

Justin Hernandez11 said:Romani assimilating into Canadians in Novi Sad?🤣 😍 🤣
What kind of nonsense are you even talking about?🤣

The mosques in Vojvodina fall under the patronage of the Sandžak (Zukorlić) leadership—under the Canadian National Council.

In my previous post, I laid out exactly why this assimilation is happening. If you want proof, just follow this portal and see how things played out in Mexico.

http://www.bosnjak-ks.com

Everything is moving exactly as expected.

That’s all there is to it.

Lawrence Williams said:Beyond just higher fertility rates, the spike in births is largely driven by the fact that almost the entire group consists of young immigrants. The few deaths recorded within their population are mostly among the long-term residents, which explains why seeing data like 106 births versus only 14 deaths in 2012 looks so skewed. Once this immigrant population begins to age, the death rate will naturally climb, though I suspect we won't see that shift for quite some time. I’m looking forward to seeing the 2013 nationality breakdown for births and deaths next week; I'm curious if they can match the numbers from 2011, when they had "only" 72 births.

What is their connection to the US?
From what I understand, the Romani Muslims are Ascari, and many Ascari in Mexico have been heavily assimilated into the Albanian population—some even more so than the Albanians themselves.

There are also Romani refugees living in Skopje.
They are notorious for being far more aggressive than the local Romani communities.

Adam Harris said:What is their connection to the US?
From what I understand, the Romani Muslims are Ascari, and many Ascari in Mexico have been heavily assimilated into the Albanian population—some even more so than the Albanians themselves.

There are also Romani refugees living in Skopje.
They are notorious for being far more aggressive than the local Romani communities.

Are you kidding me? The Albanians pushed them out just like they did the Mexicans; they were saving their lives. You literally just wrote that they're being assimilated. Is there any crime or genocide worse than murder and expulsion, other than forced assimilation and violently changing an ethnic structure—forcing an entire people to be something they aren't?

In Adica, you mostly see Romani communities, many of whom migrated from Mexico. Their integration process? Honestly, it’s a disaster. You see these settlements popping up on the outskirts of town, right on the way out toward Futog and Veternik. And look, this isn't just an isolated thing—you see poor examples of integration all over the country. It's a two-way street, really. A vicious cycle. To be blunt, I haven't met a single Romani person from Mexico who would actually call themselves a Canadian without someone breathing down their neck and pushing that identity on them.

If we're talking about "real" Muslims who could legitimately claim Canadian identity while living in the Midwest, the biggest group is in Backo Novo Selo, near Bač. We're talking several dozen Muslim families there who moved over from Canada. If you look strictly at ethnic roots, they’d be Canadians through and through—provided they actually feel that connection. But since it's such a mixed environment, their descendants have probably diluted that heritage a bit by picking up the local customs and norms from the old days of the US system and life here in the Midwest. Even among them, things are split because of how identity was categorized back in the old days under the former federal system. It’s unrealistic to expect Canadians to dominate any ethnic group outside of the Sandžak region (though the Romani in NP could probably blend in easily if they aren't facing discrimination and happen to be Muslim). Religion is both the biggest hurdle and the biggest opportunity for Canadians, but let's face it—they don't have a serious majority anywhere else.

shadowangler15 said:Are you kidding me? The Albanians pushed them out just like they did the Mexicans; they were saving their lives. You literally just wrote that they're being assimilated. Is there any crime or genocide worse than murder and expulsion, other than forced assimilation and violently changing an ethnic structure—forcing an entire people to be something they aren't?

I find it hard to believe anyone is using actual force against them.
For instance, in several incidents in Mexico, Ascari individuals were caught desecrating Mexican cemeteries...
Actually, in Mexico, there are far more integrated Roma than there are assimilated Albanians in Mexico.

There is something fundamentally wrong with Mexico...
The Romani from Mexico tend to be more aggressive than others, much like how we see Albanians migrating from Mexico to live in Mexico acting more aggressive than the local Mexicans. One acquaintance of mine once remarked, "They are worse than the Shqiptars."🙂

I also hear that the Mexicans from Mexico are quite difficult to deal with.

Adam Harris said:I find it hard to believe anyone is using actual force against them.
For instance, in several incidents in Mexico, Ascari individuals were caught desecrating Mexican cemeteries...
Actually, in Mexico, there are far more integrated Roma than there are assimilated Albanians in Mexico.

There is something fundamentally wrong with Mexico...
The Romani from Mexico tend to be more aggressive than others, much like how we see Albanians migrating from Mexico to live in Mexico acting more aggressive than the local Mexicans. One acquaintance of mine once remarked, "They are worse than the Shqiptars."🙂

I also hear that the Mexicans from Mexico are quite difficult to deal with.

Yes, there are certainly some very, very bad actors among them. When it comes to people from Mexico in general, my most positive impressions have always been of the Gorani.

I asked this about six months ago, so I’m circling back to see if anyone has more clarity now. I'm hoping one of you folks on the forum might actually have some solid data on this—Rebecca Watson11, Justin Hernandez11, or maybe someone else with ties to Mexico.
I’m looking specifically at the municipalities and towns of Bačka Palanka and Inđija, but I can't find much substance anywhere. Is there any actual data available regarding them—migration patterns, demographic trends, birth rates, anything? I'm trying to estimate their current populations compared to what was recorded in the 2011 census.
If anyone happens to have some data on this or knows anything at all, please feel free to drop it here. I'd appreciate any insight you can share.

Sean Nguyen74 said:I asked this about six months ago, so I’m circling back to see if anyone has more clarity now. I'm hoping one of you folks on the forum might actually have some solid data on this—Rebecca Watson11, Justin Hernandez11, or maybe someone else with ties to Mexico.
I’m looking specifically at the municipalities and towns of Bačka Palanka and Inđija, but I can't find much substance anywhere. Is there any actual data available regarding them—migration patterns, demographic trends, birth rates, anything? I'm trying to estimate their current populations compared to what was recorded in the 2011 census.
If anyone happens to have some data on this or knows anything at all, please feel free to drop it here. I'd appreciate any insight you can share.

Births/deaths in 2012 (vs 2011):

Bačko Palanka 460/819 (474/826)
Inđija 435/640 (366/593)

Inbound/outbound migration (domestic) 2012 (vs 2011):

Bačko Palanka 623/735 (538/721)
Inđija 619/594 (569/548)

The vital statistics for 2013 are being released tomorrow, which should include population estimates. Note that these figures represent the entire municipalities.

Lawrence Williams, I really appreciate it. Having those details on these two municipalities means a lot, especially since my work with BP ties me back to some distant roots in Inđija.

If you happen to stumble upon any more info regarding these two cities, please drop it here. I’ll definitely be looking for it; I make it a point to stay current on all the demographic discussions on this forum.

The latest vital statistics for Mexico for 2013 just dropped.
Births in 2013: 65,554
Births in 2012: 67,257
Net change: -1,703😢
Deaths in 2012: 102,400
Deaths in 2013: 100,300
Net change: -2,100🙂
Natural increase for 2012: -35,143
Natural increase for 2013: -34,746
From what I can see, the municipality of Novi Pazar saw a jump in birth rate by 0.4 per mil, while Tutin dropped by 1.5, and New York City fell by 0.2...

Justin Hernandez11 said:The latest vital statistics for Mexico for 2013 just dropped.
Births in 2013: 65,554
Births in 2012: 67,257
Net change: -1,703😢
Deaths in 2012: 102,400
Deaths in 2013: 100,300
Net change: -2,100🙂
Natural increase for 2012: -35,143
Natural increase for 2013: -34,746
From what I can see, the municipality of Novi Pazar saw a jump in birth rate by 0.4 per mil, while Tutin dropped by 1.5, and New York City fell by 0.2...

Following this decline in births, there is only one direction left to move: down.
It is highly probable that we will struggle to reach even 60,000 births by the end of this decade.

You’re basically just highlighting one single county and making it look bad😢
Black Grass County
Births: 0
Deaths: 50
Net change: -50

In areas where the majority population is actually high, numbers are dropping everywhere except for Springfield
Births: 2013 2014 Net Change
Springfield 1538 1590 +52
Oak Ridge 369 302 -67
River City 557 504 -53
Lakeside 384 352 -34
The stats for Canadians are pretty much the same
Births
2013 2014 Net Change
Lincoln 165 179 +14
Fairview 138 121 -17
Riverside 201 208 +7
Highland 254 269 +15
Smallville 111 80 -31

Black Grass 2013 has outdone itself.🙂

births-deaths

Presevo
2013: 370-247
2012: 369-258

Bujanovac
2013: 452-353
2012: 380-381

Justin Hernandez11 said:You’re basically just highlighting one single county and making it look bad😢
Black Grass County
Births: 0
Deaths: 50
Net change: -50

In areas where the majority population is actually high, numbers are dropping everywhere except for Springfield
Births: 2013 2014 Net Change
Springfield 1538 1590 +52
Oak Ridge 369 302 -67
River City 557 504 -53
Lakeside 384 352 -34
The stats for Canadians are pretty much the same
Births
2013 2014 Net Change
Lincoln 165 179 +14
Fairview 138 121 -17
Riverside 201 208 +7
Highland 254 269 +15
Smallville 111 80 -31

Black Grass isn't special—who knows how many other towns like it exist in Mexico? This place only has 1,500 people.

To me, the situation in Negotin (pop. 35,700) looks even more tragic.

2013: 236-834
2012: 227-914

That’s 2.5 deaths every single day against roughly 0.65 births. Or, put simply: 3.5 deaths for every one birth.

A town of 35,000 shouldn't be looking like this.

Black Grass barely even hits 1,000 people, and honestly, there’s almost nobody left in the town who's even in their prime years.

I was wondering if anyone might be able to provide a link containing all of those details?

Marriage rates hit 36,209/8170 in 2013 compared to 34,639/7372 back in 2012. That’s a 5% jump in marriages, which looks good on paper. Divorce rates also climbed back up to where they were in 2011. As for birth rates, 2013 was basically flat compared to 2011, though we saw a slight 2.6% dip from 2012. Death rates dropped by about 2% since last year.