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steelharbor9 said:Haha. Well, I'm actually in theology ☕
(It's basically just heavy-duty math. No social sciences involved, I guess ☕ )
In that case, you might want to pick up The Drunkard's Walk by Leonard Mlodinow. ☕
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steelharbor9 said:Haha. Well, I'm actually in theology ☕
(It's basically just heavy-duty math. No social sciences involved, I guess ☕ )
restlesssurfer97 said:Does anyone happen to have any intel on whether Milanovic is up yet?
Keith Miller30 said:In theory, if science were to provide proof of God, I think I would find it rather disappointing; though, honestly, I don't believe such proof is even necessary, given that faith is fundamentally about belief. Wouldn't it be a bit disheartening to discover that God is something so elementary that it could be captured by the scientific method? I have always felt that God exists far beyond those bounds, so if some are able to grasp that mystery, then so be it.
restlesssurfer97 said:You’d actually be a whole lot happier if science proved He didn't exist rather than proving He does.
brightpilot6 said:Indeed, and he shall be crowned once again today, shall he not?☕
Keith Miller30 said:Kolinda has stepped into the presidency, and it looks like restlesssurfer9 is finally being constructive.
James Anderson5 said:You can't claim the New Testament is the only important book for Christianity when the Old Testament is cited at almost every mass and is a core part of the Bible. You can't just cherry-pick the parts you like when looking at a religion. For instance, Moses is just as vital to Christianity as Jesus is, even if he plays a different role...
And what's this idea that the Crusader Wars were just liberating territories? How could unified forces—mainly from Western Europe—be "liberating" lands in the Middle East and North Africa when Arabs had already been ruling those areas since Roman times?
Have you even heard about the Cathars and the Crusades against them? There was a moment where a papal envoy told commanders to kill everyone, including women and children, saying God would sort the good from the bad. That kind of thing happened right in the heart of Europe...
Plus, you're forgetting the Inquisition, which wasn't even abolished until the 19th century...
Then there's the early Church era around 300 AD, when certain factions physically wiped out their rivals until the Council of Nicaea finally decided once and for all what actually made it into the New Testament...
Or look further ahead, when the West was carving up colonies in Africa while the Church stayed silent—even while Belgians were responsible for the deaths of ten million people over a 23-year period...
And nobody raised an eyebrow when Americans were committing genocide against Native Americans, yet those same Americans are lecturing the rest of the world on democracy today...
The history of the West and Christianity is just as bloody as the history of Islam, surpassed only by Communism in terms of sheer ideology-driven casualties...
Robin Fox2 said:The New Testament is the only thing that truly matters for Christianity; it is the foundation, whereas the Old Testament merely foreshadows what is to come. The point lies in the New Testament...
Yes, the Crusader Wars were an attempt to liberate territories from Muslim conquerors. It doesn't require that European nations already rule those areas for it to be considered a liberation—to draw a parallel, do you consider the American invasion of Normandy an act of liberating Europe or an act of conquest? Originally, the Crusaders were called by Byzantium to assist against the Turks, though it later evolved into protracted warfare. And frankly, the idea that Arabs ruled those lands eternally is nonsense. They conquered those regions from someone else, though I'll leave it to you to figure out who... 😉 Besides, no one rules a territory forever; everyone is a conqueror somewhere. The only difference is the era and the duration of their reign. I hold no particular sympathies; throughout history, everyone has been a conqueror, arriving and departing as they please...
The Inquisition is such a massive exaggeration that it isn't even a faithful historical account; in the 10th century, only a few thousand people were executed by the Inquisition...
Congo? Please. Even the most intense opponents of the Belgians don't bring up the Belgian Sin as often as they should. Congo was essentially the private property of the Belgian King, where he did exactly as he pleased and no one even knew what was happening... 🤣
Good grief, how on earth did you decide to classify Native Americans as victims of Christianity... 😁
The history of the West is bloody, much like any other history of the human race; no one denies that. But the history of Christianity... well, that’s a different story entirely. I wouldn't dare claim Christianity had violent beginnings, given that for the first five centuries, being a Christian was essentially a death sentence. And yet, it spread across the entire known world. If anyone in such a community sees the capacity to spread faith through fire and sword, then by all means, write a scientific paper and revolutionize the history we think we know...
If you assume the Spaniards were out there in the New World, obsessed with hunting down gold and forcing their faith upon everyone they met at the edge of a sword, well, that’s just an accurate description of reality. It's just that we're looking at a discrepancy of about fifteen centuries...
Given that being a Christian for those first five centuries pretty much meant certain death, I have to say... if anyone in a community like that sees an opportunity to spread their faith through fire and sword, more power to them. They should just write a research paper and revolutionize the history we know...
James Anderson5 said:Given that being a Christian for those first five centuries pretty much meant certain death, I have to say... if anyone in a community like that sees an opportunity to spread their faith through fire and sword, more power to them. They should just write a research paper and revolutionize the history we know...
Could you explain something to me? If Constantine issued the edict of tolerance in 313 and the church became the official religion and state institution of the Roman Empire by 380, how could being a Christian mean almost certain death during those first five centuries? Are you sure you haven't mixed up the years and centuries?
The truth is, even starting back in the 3rd century and continuing through the reign of Emperor Julian, the priesthood held massive authority, including free travel across the entire empire at the state's expense and access to significant material wealth...
We can really only talk about that romantic era of the early church during the first two or three centuries. After that, especially in the West, things mostly turned into politics...