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Participants Morgan WilliamsRachel Cooper3Joseph Clark37Keith Patel81darkseal9neonfalcon16urbanhawk17Amanda Evans2bluebison47brightpilot6Patrick MartinJoseph Fisher3steelharbor9Robin Fox2Maria AndersonAnthony Jackson2Jason Newmanruggedjackal46Michelle Palmer6Jeffrey Edwards76Jason Campbell70Anthony Barrett37graniteangler31Dennis Evans6 …
Peter Thompson4 Peter Thompson4 Regular
391 messages
joined Apr 2014
#8601 ·
Look, you clearly don't get how economics actually works, because nobody is out here saying a janitor needs to make more than their manager, we’re just saying they need to earn enough to actually live by the current American standard.

But hey, please, continue lecturing us on how those softies over in the States handle things. Please.

And apparently, if you look at folks in Germany, they're living on the edge of starvation, can't even afford a basic deli sandwich.
Anthony Jackson2 Anthony Jackson2 Regular
605 messages
joined Jul 2009
#8602 ·
Nobody’s claiming this work should pay the big bucks—but what they're offering our seasonal workers isn't even a job, it's basically indentured servitude. And then these idiots act surprised when nobody shows up. If I had any say in the matter, I’d slash foreign worker quotas to the bone and let them figure it out—if you can't handle it, fail—who cares.

And the absolute best are the ones whining because "skilled labor has vanished." 🙏 These people left with actual skills and decent habits after heading off to Europe. Bullshit. While they were here, they were treated like disposable goods—paid pennies, worked to death, and told that if they didn't like it, there's always someone else waiting in line. Well, fine—go find someone else. Oh wait, now those replacements aren't "high quality" enough, so we'll just go hunting for talent in Mexico or Vietnam, because apparently, that's where the elite workforce lives. 🤣
Matthew Young35 Matthew Young35 Veteran
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joined Jan 2018
#8603 ·
If we’re just talking about minor particles, then who can blame them? Should they have studied harder?
It’s happening all across America, affecting every profession imaginable. Software engineers, economists, philosophers, sysadmins, even cashiers... Everyone is being systematically undercut.

But does anyone actually care? The mindset is always the same: just bring in workers from Mexico to do the job, while Americans head off to Germany where they won't be underpaid.

What really gets under my skin is that we're talking about massive corporations pulling in astronomical profits... yet when it comes to fair wages, they couldn't care less. They'll happily let the government facilitate importing labor from Mexico instead.
Justin James10 Justin James10 Regular
440 messages
joined Oct 2017
#8604 ·
Matthew Young35 said:Fine, let’s go with that then.
So, we'll have American women heading over to Germany to work, while over in places like San Antonio, it'll be Mexican women doing the cleaning.

Honestly, that seems like a pretty realistic scenario. Though, for the moment, it looks like both us and the immigrants are being bypassed by the larger trends.😁

Who told you, Peter Thompson4, that cleaners in Germany are starving? Sure, the wages are low, but that's just relative to the American standard—and that’s actually a good thing! It's all about perspective, isn't it? For example, a government minister in certain parts of the world might earn less than $1,000 a month, yet in those countries, that's considered a very solid salary.
ruggedjackal46 ruggedjackal46 Regular
775 messages
joined May 2007
#8605 ·
Matthew Young35 said:If we’re just talking about minor particles, then who can blame them? Should they have studied harder?
It’s happening all across America, affecting every profession imaginable. Software engineers, economists, philosophers, sysadmins, even cashiers... Everyone is being systematically undercut.

But does anyone actually care? The mindset is always the same: just bring in workers from Mexico to do the job, while Americans head off to Germany where they won't be underpaid.

What really gets under my skin is that we're talking about massive corporations pulling in astronomical profits... yet when it comes to fair wages, they couldn't care less. They'll happily let the government facilitate importing labor from Mexico instead.

The Republican Party is running the show right now, and honestly, they seem genuinely baffled as to why American women aren't cranking out more babies. Like, do they actually expect us to just flip a switch? It’s almost funny watching them scratch their heads over birth rates while ignoring everything else. 🙏
Matthew Young35 Matthew Young35 Veteran
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joined Jan 2018
#8606 ·
Justin James10 said:Honestly, that seems like a pretty realistic scenario. Though, for the moment, it looks like both us and the immigrants are being bypassed by the larger trends.😁

Who told you, Peter Thompson4, that cleaners in Germany are starving? Sure, the wages are low, but that's just relative to the American standard—and that’s actually a good thing! It's all about perspective, isn't it? For example, a government minister in certain parts of the world might earn less than $1,000 a month, yet in those countries, that's considered a very solid salary.

I think that scenario is completely unrealistic.
Why on earth would women from Mexico bother coming to a small town in rural Maine to work in a factory when they have the entire United States as an option?
Matthew Young35 Matthew Young35 Veteran
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joined Jan 2018
#8607 ·
ruggedjackal46 said:The Republican Party is running the show right now, and honestly, they seem genuinely baffled as to why American women aren't cranking out more babies. Like, do they actually expect us to just flip a switch? It’s almost funny watching them scratch their heads over birth rates while ignoring everything else. 🙏

If American women aren't interested in taking these jobs, then Mexican women will step up to fill the void. 🙂
ruggedjackal46 ruggedjackal46 Regular
775 messages
joined May 2007
#8608 ·
Matthew Young35 said:If American women aren't interested in taking these jobs, then Mexican women will step up to fill the void. 🙂

So, we’re really doing this? We're diving headfirst into the whole multiculturalism debate among Americans? Honestly, where does it even start? Is there a roadmap for this kind of social melting pot, or are we all just winging it and hoping for the best? It feels like every time someone brings up the idea of a diverse, multi-ethnic society, half the room starts debating philosophy while the other half just wants to know if it's going to affect their neighborhood vibe. It's a lot to unpack, isn't it?
Justin James10 Justin James10 Regular
440 messages
joined Oct 2017
#8609 ·
Matthew Young35 said:I think that scenario is completely unrealistic.
Why on earth would women from Mexico bother coming to a small town in rural Maine to work in a factory when they have the entire United States as an option?

It’s not just Mexican women... we're talking about immigrants in general...

I honestly can't wrap my head around where they're coming from... where is the absolute peak of poverty and desperation located these days?🤔
Matthew Young35 Matthew Young35 Veteran
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joined Jan 2018
#8610 ·
Justin James10 said:It’s not just Mexican women... we're talking about immigrants in general...

I honestly can't wrap my head around where they're coming from... where is the absolute peak of poverty and desperation located these days?🤔

In Mexico.
Justin James10 Justin James10 Regular
440 messages
joined Oct 2017
#8611 ·
Matthew Young35 said:In Mexico.

They’re all tied up 😁

We used to have our reliable guys from the Midwest... now we really need to scout for some fresh talent.
Matthew Young35 Matthew Young35 Veteran
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joined Jan 2018
#8612 ·
Justin James10 said:They’re all tied up 😁

We used to have our reliable guys from the Midwest... now we really need to scout for some fresh talent.

Maybe some women from Eastern Europe will step up.
<3
Justin James10 Justin James10 Regular
440 messages
joined Oct 2017
#8613 ·
Matthew Young35 said:Maybe some women from Eastern Europe will step up.
<3

The thing is, they're already arriving, but they tend to gravitate toward other career paths—usually ones that pay much better! ☕
Matthew Young35 Matthew Young35 Veteran
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joined Jan 2018
#8614 ·
What if we gave those French maids a shot?
Peter Thompson4 Peter Thompson4 Regular
391 messages
joined Apr 2014
#8615 ·
Justin James10 said:Honestly, that seems like a pretty realistic scenario. Though, for the moment, it looks like both us and the immigrants are being bypassed by the larger trends.😁

Who told you, Peter Thompson4, that cleaners in Germany are starving? Sure, the wages are low, but that's just relative to the American standard—and that’s actually a good thing! It's all about perspective, isn't it? For example, a government minister in certain parts of the world might earn less than $1,000 a month, yet in those countries, that's considered a very solid salary.

Are you kidding me right now? That is exactly what I'm telling you! The actual dollar amount doesn't matter—what matters is the ratio between your paycheck and the cost of living. But then again, like someone else mentioned, everyone is basically getting screwed over anyway. I honestly hate my own damn degree sometimes; I swear, forget the whole thing, because if you're just working to survive, you're nothing more than a slave. And let's be real, it's total bullshit here that having a college degree feels almost meaningless since everybody has one, yet even with a degree, you're still treated like a nobody, let alone if you only finished high school.

In any civilized country, you can live a normal life with just a high school diploma, whereas having a degree actually puts you a step above them.

But it's only here where like 90% of society holds a degree, yet it's also only here where it's socially unacceptable to demand better treatment or fight for a higher wage without being totally crushed for it. You aren't allowed to push back; you're expected to just smile and stay humble because someone was "kind enough" to give you a job in the first place. Who gives a damn about a fair salary, right?
James Anderson5 James Anderson5 Regular
460 messages
joined Jan 2010
#8616 ·
Peter Thompson4 said:Are you kidding me right now? That is exactly what I'm telling you! The actual dollar amount doesn't matter—what matters is the ratio between your paycheck and the cost of living. But then again, like someone else mentioned, everyone is basically getting screwed over anyway. I honestly hate my own damn degree sometimes; I swear, forget the whole thing, because if you're just working to survive, you're nothing more than a slave. And let's be real, it's total bullshit here that having a college degree feels almost meaningless since everybody has one, yet even with a degree, you're still treated like a nobody, let alone if you only finished high school.

In any civilized country, you can live a normal life with just a high school diploma, whereas having a degree actually puts you a step above them.

But it's only here where like 90% of society holds a degree, yet it's also only here where it's socially unacceptable to demand better treatment or fight for a higher wage without being totally crushed for it. You aren't allowed to push back; you're expected to just smile and stay humble because someone was "kind enough" to give you a job in the first place. Who gives a damn about a fair salary, right?

Honestly, about 90% of these degrees from fake business schools—especially those private ones like some overpriced local community colleges—aren't worth a dime. What did they actually earn by getting that piece of paper? And since when did we start calling ourselves a civilized nation...

Matthew Young35 said:If we’re just talking about minor particles, then who can blame them? Should they have studied harder?
It’s happening all across America, affecting every profession imaginable. Software engineers, economists, philosophers, sysadmins, even cashiers... Everyone is being systematically undercut.

But does anyone actually care? The mindset is always the same: just bring in workers from Mexico to do the job, while Americans head off to Germany where they won't be underpaid.

What really gets under my skin is that we're talking about massive corporations pulling in astronomical profits... yet when it comes to fair wages, they couldn't care less. They'll happily let the government facilitate importing labor from Mexico instead.

It feels like doctors and nurses are some of the first ones getting shortchanged instead of service workers or waitstaff... A resident physician earns about the same as a city bus driver, which just isn't right given how things should work in America. You have some executive at a massive conglomerate in Chicago making way more than a neurosurgeon, even though most of them barely lift a finger and have a fraction of the education or responsibility. It seems like this whole system was built to create these gaps just to buy votes, which is why we end up with a political landscape that protects the status quo...

Some people are probably going to act like greedy bosses are the only reason wages are low here in America... they just can't seem to let go of that old communist mindset... 😁
Anthony Jackson2 Anthony Jackson2 Regular
605 messages
joined Jul 2009
#8617 ·
That’s just how it looks to you—I read somewhere that we're actually lagging way behind the US average when it comes to the percentage of the population with higher education degrees.🤷

Take my old elementary school class, for example—out of 25 kids, only five went to college, and three of those were at a major state university. Maybe things are different in NYC, but the further you get from the big cities, the lower those numbers drop.
Justin James10 Justin James10 Regular
440 messages
joined Oct 2017
#8618 ·
James Anderson5 said:Honestly, about 90% of these degrees from fake business schools—especially those private ones like some overpriced local community colleges—aren't worth a dime. What did they actually earn by getting that piece of paper? And since when did we start calling ourselves a civilized nation...

It feels like doctors and nurses are some of the first ones getting shortchanged instead of service workers or waitstaff... A resident physician earns about the same as a city bus driver, which just isn't right given how things should work in America. You have some executive at a massive conglomerate in Chicago making way more than a neurosurgeon, even though most of them barely lift a finger and have a fraction of the education or responsibility. It seems like this whole system was built to create these gaps just to buy votes, which is why we end up with a political landscape that protects the status quo...

Some people are probably going to act like greedy bosses are the only reason wages are low here in America... they just can't seem to let go of that old communist mindset... 😁

Honestly, Americans are hopelessly stuck in that outdated mindset. Everyone seems to be part of it; maybe even those claiming to be conservatives are actually more radical than anyone else when it comes to these ideas. It’s absolute chaos.🤦
James Anderson5 James Anderson5 Regular
460 messages
joined Jan 2010
#8619 ·
Justin James10 said:Honestly, Americans are hopelessly stuck in that outdated mindset. Everyone seems to be part of it; maybe even those claiming to be conservatives are actually more radical than anyone else when it comes to these ideas. It’s absolute chaos.🤦

I guess that's why they're so intense, since so many people rely on political connections just to get by...
Jessica Gonzalez Jessica Gonzalez Regular
769 messages
joined Mar 2012
#8620 ·
Justin James10 said:It’s one of those classic American paradoxes, isn't it? I’ve seen it firsthand more times than I can count: we face chronic labor shortages across the board—from hospitality and farming to heavy industry—yet unemployment numbers somehow stay stubbornly high. A huge part of the issue boils down to mobility. And while statistics might show that wages are technically ticking upward, let’s be real—they still feel like peanuts, largely because our tax burden is absolutely astronomical.

We really are experts at this, aren't we? Only we could manage to juggle high unemployment and a massive shortage of workers across multiple sectors all at once.

I don't think this is really a paradox or anything strange at all. Determining unemployment numbers is tricky because it isn't such a straightforward category. Some people are genuinely looking for work and just can't find anything, while others could start working right now but choose not to because the pay is too low or the commute is too long. Then you have people working under the table who are technically counted as unemployed, and so on. To be honest, I don't actually know anyone who is unemployed—not even among my relatives or friends. My mom was out of work for a bit, but she didn't really want to work anyway, so she probably would have preferred to just retire early. I think one friend of mine is still unemployed, but that’s mostly because he got passed over at every single job he applied for. I think an influential member on this forum even tried to set up an interview for him once, but he showed up to the meeting wearing a tracksuit, haha. I guess it's only people like that who stay unemployed. Most other people could probably find a job in a different industry by tomorrow if they had to. It feels like around here, there's a certain stigma against working construction or in hospitality; people would rather go work abroad or juggle five different side hustles just to make ends meet. In the States, during the recession, we saw managers who used to handle millions of dollars delivering pizzas, and nobody thought twice about it. Or look at how Uber drivers in places like Sri Lanka might be competing for passengers at 5:00 AM. It's not even a formal company, just freelance driving in older cars, and while the earnings might seem low by our standards, they're out there doing it and making progress. Even in Mexico, people often spend an hour or two after their office jobs driving people around for a little extra cash just to provide for their kids. In Dubai, taxi drivers work from 4:00 AM until 11:00 PM, and there are thousands of them. But I suppose some people just think they're too good for certain types of work.

I guess salary levels aren't actually the main issue here. Even though our GDP per capita is much lower than somewhere like the Czech Republic, wages seem to be right around the same level. If you look at productivity, they might actually be a bit too high. Personally, I earn a pretty great salary by international standards, even though I'm not in management or some high-level specialist role. The real problem seems to be the cost of living. There isn't enough competition, and maybe because of general consumer habits, we end up overpaying for basic necessities. It reminds me of how things work in Poland; their wages might be slightly lower, but their retail prices are about 20-30% cheaper, so you can actually buy more with the same amount of money. It was interesting to see how quickly retailers started running massive sales once a major player like Walmart faced a sudden slump. Also, people in cities like New York or San Francisco paying $3,000 or $4,000 a month for an apartment and acting like that's perfectly normal—it’s wild, I guess. 🤣

I guess people around here tend to talk a big game but don't always follow through with the work. Honestly, there's not much drive for it. At my company, people are practically begging for field assignments in some of the wealthiest US suburbs, and I think it's a missed opportunity. You could easily tuck away an extra $2,000 in a month, yet nobody seems to want to go. These trips only last a week or two, maybe a couple of months at most. Personally, I think it sounds like a great deal—you get to see the world and make some solid cash at the same time.

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