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Participants Joseph Moore59slycrane94Ethan Perez97David Wilson46Linda Peterson4nimblewalker58fadedtrucker19John Palmer4Kevin Gonzalez79Keith Phillips3Karen Garcia5wiredpilot30Angela RobertsJustin FoxScott Lee7ruggedorca26Thomas CollinsRobin Roberts45
Joseph Moore59 Joseph Moore59 NewcomerOP
3 messages
joined Mar 2006
#1 ·
Out of pure curiosity, what exactly is this?
If anyone here understands the legal side of things, please explain—either technically or in layman's terms—so we can all be on the same page!


Personally, I am against the idea of copying and selling someone else's intellectual property. However, having a movie on a DVD, an MP3 on my computer, or a handful of programs on my PC shouldn't really be categorized as piracy. I realize that even this technically violates intellectual property rights, but such is life.
Lately, I’ve been reading nothing but whining from video store owners regarding home movie collections. How are we supposed to put an end to this? In America, 99% of PC owners have collections of movies, Napster files, cracked games, and various software. By that logic, everyone should be behind bars. Digitalization has its pros and cons; one simply needs to find a balance. Even those calling for harsh measures against everyone are likely violating the same rules in some capacity. Furthermore, the losses sustained by video stores, cinemas, and musicians are negligible compared to the economic fallout that would result from overly rigorous enforcement. For instance, consider the drop in sales for computers, consoles, media, and general internet usage (since, at the end of the day, most people use it to download something). Many would lose out, and the government would suffer most by losing the tax revenue generated by these activities. Many people would love to own original software, but it is far too expensive for our current economic reality, not to mention the cost of music. Still, a line must be drawn somewhere. We need laws tailored to our specific circumstances rather than following dictates imposed by international interest groups. There must be order, but it must also be adapted to what people can actually afford.
I look at the prices for Windows, and while I must admit it isn't astronomical, Word and Excel—which many cannot function without—are prohibitively expensive. And that is to say nothing of the massive library of programs we have grown accustomed to using. If everyone were to pay current market prices for everything, a single computer setup would cost ten thousand dollars or more, which very few can afford. That would only lead to further stagnation, which in turn drives people back toward piracy. It is a vicious, endless cycle...
slycrane94 slycrane94 Active Member
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joined Dec 2002
#2 ·
I agree that the industry plays a bit of a weak hand, but let’s be honest: the entire copyright and patent system has turned into more of a circus than anything else. Not to mention how it fuels monopolies and stifles innovation—which is ironic, considering the whole point was supposed to spark competition and speed up progress.

What we actually need is to slash copyright terms down to somewhere between 5 and 20 years at most. Maybe make them paid licenses too; if you want protection, pay up, otherwise, don't complain.
We also need much stricter patent rules and a total ban on patenting things like correlations or genomic data. We should implement a global patent system—with pricing similar to copyright—and, of course, strictly prohibit retroactive patenting.

And finally, there should be a legal right to bypass patents during a crisis—think about those insanely overpriced drugs for HIV and stuff like that.
Ethan Perez97 Ethan Perez97 Active Member
114 messages
joined Aug 2005
#3 ·
I can't help but wonder if people out in Western Europe or over in the States view piracy through the same lens we do... just like you mentioned, most of us have a collection of movies, music, and cracked games sitting on our PCs, and we just see it as a totally normal part of life, so I find myself questioning how the vibe is handled on the other side of the pond.
David Wilson46 David Wilson46 Newcomer
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joined Jul 2006
#4 ·
Maybe they have a few more originals out there, but if you look at it from another angle, we didn't just conjure these sites out of thin air like
The Pirate Bay
Google
Crackfound
CrackSearchEngine
Crack.ru
AstaSearch.com
TorrentFreak
Crack.MS
Microsoft Windows
freeserials.com
...or piles of torrent sites filled with movies—you know, everything from stuff hitting theaters before they even premiere to old classics and entire discographies. Honestly, the whole industry is to blame here. They set prices so high, it’s like they think they have to rebuild every single album or software program from scratch every time someone buys it, rather than just sitting back and collecting millions in royalties. And don't even get me started on the retailers; they act like they need to make enough profit on a single CD to buy a brand-new Ford F-150.
slycrane94 slycrane94 Active Member
58 messages
joined Dec 2002
#5 ·
Ethan Perez97 said:I really wonder if people over in Western Europe or the States look at piracy the same way we do. Like you said, everyone pretty much has movies, music, and cracked games on their PC, and it feels totally normal. I wonder what the vibe is like out there.

It's exactly the same. Most sane people think it’s ridiculous to charge $30 for a DVD. Not to mention paying $20 for an audio CD with some garbage DRM that wrecks your computer and still won't let you listen to your music wherever you want.
Linda Peterson4 Linda Peterson4 Newcomer
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joined Nov 2020
#6 ·
David Wilson46 said:Sure, maybe they have more legitimate stuff out there, but look at it this way: we didn't invent sites like
The Pirate Bay
Google
Crackfound
CrackSearchEngine
Crack.ru
AstaSearch.com
SerialDB.ORG
Crack.MS
AstalaVista.am
freeserials.com
or those massive torrent sites filled with movies before they even hit theaters—not to mention old classics and full discographies. Honestly, the whole industry is to blame. They set prices so high you’d think they were rebuilding every single album or software program from scratch instead of just collecting millions in royalties. Even the retailers act like they need to make enough profit on a single CD to buy a brand-new Ford F-150.

Everything you just listed is crawling with viruses, spyware, and adware. 😬
nimblewalker58 nimblewalker58 Active Member
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joined Jan 2008
#7 ·
Isn't it glaringly obvious how much they overcharge for their own work? I mean, if you pick up a movie at a standard retail price today $9.75, but then walk into one of those specialty boutiques and find the exact same thing sitting there for 200-$100 bucks, you have to wonder... what kind of twisted logic are they using to set these prices?

Any product that’s marked up this aggressively is just begging for piracy and theft; it isn't just about software, either—you see the exact same pattern playing out in high fashion, the car industry, real estate... it's everywhere.

When a price actually makes sense, very few people are going to gamble on stealing it and risking everything from malware and viruses to getting caught by the cops or just looking like an idiot.
fadedtrucker19 fadedtrucker19 Member
31 messages
joined Dec 2002
#8 ·
Linda Peterson4 said:everything you just listed is basically a buffet of viruses, spyware, and adware 😬

Oh, really?

Well, I suppose if you're wandering around without a decent firewall, an antivirus, Spybot & TeaTimer, or a browser that isn't just the ancient Internet Explorer, then sure, all that stuff might actually be a problem for you.

Personally, those kinds of sites don't bother me one bit... even when I'm not browsing from Linux.
David Wilson46 David Wilson46 Newcomer
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joined Jul 2006
#9 ·
Linda Peterson4 said:Man, that list you put together... it’s just an absolute mountain of viruses, spyware, and adware. Truly overwhelming. 😬

Maybe so, but honestly, any user with half a brain knows you don't just wander onto those kinds of sites without a rock-solid setup. You need your antivirus, your anti-spyware, a solid firewall, and you definitely shouldn't be using Internet Explorer. Personally, I’ve never picked up a single piece of malware from there; I always find exactly what I'm looking for.
John Palmer4 John Palmer4 Active Member
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joined Oct 2008
#10 ·
slycrane94 said:Exactly. Even everywhere else, anyone with half a brain thinks charging $30 for a DVD is ridiculous. And don't even get me started on paying $20 for an audio CD that comes with some garbage DRM that wrecks your computer and prevents you from listening to your paid music wherever you want.

Look, from what I understand about certain Scandinavian countries, DVD movies cost way less there than they do here in the US, even though their standard of living is much higher.

If I were pulling in $10,000 - $15,000 a year, and a special edition or director's cut of Blade Runner cost $37, would I even bother messing around with piracy? Probably not!

We spent a ton of money on movies and music back in the day, yet it ended up costing us half of what we'd pay in New York. When you can pick up 3 CDs for less than $50, why would you even think about burning copies?
Kevin Gonzalez79 Kevin Gonzalez79 Active Member
113 messages
joined Jan 2008
#11 ·
They are delusional if they think cracking down on piracy is going to trigger some massive surge in legitimate sales.

It certainly won't happen. You might see a marginal increase of a few percent, but nobody is going to shell out $167 for a game when they aren't even certain they’ll actually enjoy playing it.

Personally, I own genuine copies of Windows and World of Warcraft, but I wouldn't waste my money on anything else because I simply have no interest.

Fortunately, there is almost always a free alternative available for most utility software...
Keith Phillips3 Keith Phillips3 Member
21 messages
joined Aug 2003
#12 ·
d@d@ said:Anything that carries an inflated price tag is essentially begging for plagiarism or theft. It isn't just about software; you see the exact same pattern in fashion, cars, real estate...
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And what about industrial-grade software?

While I agree that software pricing is often overblown, I highly doubt piracy will ever truly be eradicated, regardless of how much they drop the prices. No matter how low the cost goes, there will always be someone who feels they’re being ripped off—especially when alternatives exist. Once people get used to having easy access through unofficial channels, that habit becomes incredibly hard to break.
At the end of the day, it’s like anything else in America; just as everyone has their preferred dentist or family doctor, everyone seems to have their own go-to pirate.
It's what happens when people simply don't feel like paying or hunting for files online. 😁
Karen Garcia5 Karen Garcia5 Member
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joined Jan 2012
#13 ·
Sigh... That damn Bill is going to run us straight into bankruptcy 🙂
David Wilson46 David Wilson46 Newcomer
1 message
joined Jul 2006
#14 ·
Keith Phillips3 said:I honestly doubt piracy will ever truly go away, regardless of how much they drop the prices. It’s just human nature—no matter how cheap things get, there's always going to be someone who thinks it's still overpriced. Plus, when you have those alternative ways to get things for free, it becomes a habit. It’s just too easy to find what you need elsewhere.
At the end of the day, it's like people here; everyone has their own preferred dentist or family doctor, and I guess everyone has their own personal pirate they go to.
Especially if they don't feel like hunting through the web themselves. 😁

Well, they really brought this on themselves when they started charging prices like they were selling you salvation itself. If I had actually shelled out for Windows XP Professional back then, I'd probably be running a machine right now that wouldn't even have the juice to boot up Windows XP.
slycrane94 slycrane94 Active Member
58 messages
joined Dec 2002
#15 ·
John Palmer4 said:Look, from what I know, DVD movies in some Scandinavian countries cost way less than they do here in America, and the wages and standard of living are much higher.

If I'm making 10 or 15 thousand dollars a month, and a special edition or director's cut of Blade Runner costs $37, why would I bother risking it all with piracy?

We spent a fortune on movies and music up there, yet it still ended up being half the price you'd pay in New York. When three CDs cost less than $50, does anyone actually think twice about burning them?

Not in Sweden. Over there, a DVD is at least 250 SEK, and an Audio CD runs between 180 and 250 SEK.
Sure, you can find junk or old stuff cheaper, but even then, the prices are ridiculous. Why do you think piracy is so widespread in Scandinavia? It isn't because the prices are reasonable.

By the way, if you're pulling in 10,000 SEK a month, you aren't exactly blowing cash on DVDs. Once you factor in rent at 4,000-5,000, food at 2,000-3,000, and a few other basics, you've hit 10,000 before you even blink.
wiredpilot30 wiredpilot30 Member
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joined Apr 2005
#16 ·
OnTopic:

According to our lovely legal system, everything is considered piracy.

For example, you aren't even supposed to record a show from NBC without asking them first, 🙂

Of course, the police don't actually go around hunting down idiots for stuff like that. Honestly, the FBI doesn't give a damn about piracy as a concept; they just launch an "Author" style crackdown every once in a while when big corporations like Microsoft and Adobe—or our local record labels—start breathing down their necks.

In plain English: just don't try to sell stuff you downloaded from the internet, and you'll be fine.
slycrane94 slycrane94 Active Member
58 messages
joined Dec 2002
#17 ·
The truth is, the laws have gone completely off the rails and need to be scrapped. You guys at least seem to have decent cops. In Sweden, the Minister of Justice is such an absolute moron—some former athlete who thinks he's Big Brother—that the whole situation is just grim.
fadedtrucker19 fadedtrucker19 Member
31 messages
joined Dec 2002
#18 ·
You’re mistaken, wiredpilot30: piracy only counts if you're actually reselling it.

The idea of a government apparatus monitoring exactly what you record for your own personal use simply doesn't exist, nor would it ever be worth the effort.
It's just like how you're perfectly free to transcribe or photocopy a single page—or even an entire book—for your own private study; as long as you aren't distributing it, nobody can and will do a thing about it.

Even downloading—well, anything for that matter—is frequently treated as perfectly legal in practice; the only real fool is the one who makes it easy for everyone else to download from them.
John Palmer4 John Palmer4 Active Member
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joined Oct 2008
#19 ·
slycrane94 said:Not in Sweden.

Oh, come on! You know we were just in Stockholm...
I’m telling you, those CD and DVD prices totally blew our minds—in a good way! Honestly, I was actually a little nervous at customs; I was worried they might think we were trying to smuggle music and movies because of how much stuff we picked up!
slycrane94 slycrane94 Active Member
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joined Dec 2002
#20 ·
Look, this might sound like nonsense, but things have changed lately. Besides, I’m not even sure where you picked all that up. Even in places like Chicago, you’ve got street vendors selling bootlegs at the flea market.

And if you think spending $250 or $300 on a single DVD is a bargain, then by all means, go ahead and burn through your cash.

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