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fadedbear92 fadedbear92 Veteran
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#3941 ·
George Allen71 said:You didn't read that the diagnosis is BPD... and I already listed the antipsychotics I've tried so far, like Invega, Zyprexa, and Zeldox, and none of them helped.

There's also Abilify—that newer Q-pin stuff might work too.
George Allen71 George Allen71 Active Member
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#3942 ·
fadedbear92 said:There's also Abilify—that newer Q-pin stuff might work too.

Sure, but I really need someone to explain to me what on earth the point of an antipsychotic is for someone like me.

I don't deal with psychotic episodes. I have BPD and severe recurrent depression.

It’s fine, I know they say you can combine mood stabilizers with atypicals for BPD... but can someone please explain why?

I've had such awful experiences with antipsychotics that I refuse to take them, regardless of what they're called. With Zyprexa, I gained massive amounts of weight, and Zeldox practically knocked me out for three weeks straight—I almost lost my job over it. They completely ruined my life. It’s no wonder my depression came back right after that.

I am telling you, these drugs just don't work for me; I can't tolerate them. I'm just looking for a real, logical explanation as to why someone with BPD would even be prescribed one.My psychiatrist gives me explanations that just don't make any sense to me.
fadedbear92 fadedbear92 Veteran
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#3943 ·
George Allen71 said:Sure, but I really need someone to explain to me what on earth the point of an antipsychotic is for someone like me.

I don't deal with psychotic episodes. I have BPD and severe recurrent depression.

It’s fine, I know they say you can combine mood stabilizers with atypicals for BPD... but can someone please explain why?

I've had such awful experiences with antipsychotics that I refuse to take them, regardless of what they're called. With Zyprexa, I gained massive amounts of weight, and Zeldox practically knocked me out for three weeks straight—I almost lost my job over it. They completely ruined my life. It’s no wonder my depression came back right after that.

I am telling you, these drugs just don't work for me; I can't tolerate them. I'm just looking for a real, logical explanation as to why someone with BPD would even be prescribed one.My psychiatrist gives me explanations that just don't make any sense to me.

You really need to find a psychiatrist who actually knows their stuff when it comes to pharmacology—it makes all the difference.

Look, we aren't here to tell you whether you need a specific medication or not—that’s really between you and your doctor.🙄

What exactly seems illogical to you?
She’s always there to break everything down for me—really makes things clear.
Go ahead and make the change then, Doc.
George Allen71 George Allen71 Active Member
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#3944 ·
fadedbear92 said:You really need to find a psychiatrist who actually knows their stuff when it comes to pharmacology—it makes all the difference.

Look, we aren't here to tell you whether you need a specific medication or not—that’s really between you and your doctor.🙄

What exactly seems illogical to you?
She’s always there to break everything down for me—really makes things clear.
Go ahead and make the change then, Doc.

I'm currently seeing a psychiatrist who is supposedly one of the top specialists in Chicago.

But honestly, I am not satisfied with her care.
George Allen71 George Allen71 Active Member
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#3945 ·
fadedbear92 said:You really need to find a psychiatrist who actually knows their stuff when it comes to pharmacology—it makes all the difference.

Look, we aren't here to tell you whether you need a specific medication or not—that’s really between you and your doctor.🙄

What exactly seems illogical to you?
She’s always there to break everything down for me—really makes things clear.
Go ahead and make the change then, Doc.

My question was meant to be a general inquiry about why someone with BPD would be prescribed an antipsychotic... I wasn't asking for a diagnosis for myself specifically. After all, nobody on an internet forum can truly understand my personal medical history or my exact situation...
fadedbear92 fadedbear92 Veteran
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#3946 ·
George Allen71 said:My question was meant to be a general inquiry about why someone with BPD would be prescribed an antipsychotic... I wasn't asking for a diagnosis for myself specifically. After all, nobody on an internet forum can truly understand my personal medical history or my exact situation...

"... Antipsychotics are added to a treatment plan when symptoms include disturbances in thought or perception, along with impulsive behaviors or suicidal ideation. The most common options from this class include olanzapine, quetiapine, clozapine, and risperidone. This type of therapy tends to yield solid results and is usually intended for short-term use."

http://www.akademijauspeha.org/clanc...orderline.html

You can find a more detailed article here explaining the "why" and "when" regarding antipsychotics for BPD.
fadedbear92 fadedbear92 Veteran
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#3947 ·
A general overview regarding antipsychotics

The latest generation of antipsychotics
Anthony Lopez8 Anthony Lopez8 Active Member
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#3948 ·
George Allen71 said:Sure, but I really need someone to explain to me what on earth the point of an antipsychotic is for someone like me.

I don't deal with psychotic episodes. I have BPD and severe recurrent depression.

It’s fine, I know they say you can combine mood stabilizers with atypicals for BPD... but can someone please explain why?

I've had such awful experiences with antipsychotics that I refuse to take them, regardless of what they're called. With Zyprexa, I gained massive amounts of weight, and Zeldox practically knocked me out for three weeks straight—I almost lost my job over it. They completely ruined my life. It’s no wonder my depression came back right after that.

I am telling you, these drugs just don't work for me; I can't tolerate them. I'm just looking for a real, logical explanation as to why someone with BPD would even be prescribed one.My psychiatrist gives me explanations that just don't make any sense to me.

I’ve had more than a few psychiatrists prescribe antipsychotics to me specifically for severe recurrent depression, even without any BPD diagnosis. I have never once experienced symptoms like hallucinations, delusions, or thought disorders.

It isn't uncommon for them to be prescribed when depression becomes so debilitating that standard antidepressants fail to provide adequate relief. Generally speaking, combining an antidepressant with an antipsychotic tends to be more effective than relying on antidepressants alone. They are likely also highly beneficial for managing BPD, though I haven't had any personal experience with that specific application.

Of course, that doesn't mean you're obligated to take them if the side effects make you feel miserable. However, isn't it highly probable that if you seek out a second opinion from another psychiatrist, they will tell you the exact same thing? It is quite difficult to find a doctor who will actually entertain your request to explore other alternatives rather than sticking to the established clinical protocol... 🤷
George Allen71 George Allen71 Active Member
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#3949 ·
fadedbear92 said:A general overview regarding antipsychotics

The latest generation of antipsychotics

thanks

I've already gone through all of that...

and I still feel like they aren't necessary for me....

thanks for taking the time to explain everything
Kenneth Scott41 Kenneth Scott41 Regular
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#3950 ·
A quick question for the admin: I was wondering if there happens to be a dedicated thread or section on this forum for discussing suicide topics?😢
Michelle Evans Michelle Evans Regular
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#3951 ·
Kenneth Scott41 said:A quick question for the admin: I was wondering if there happens to be a dedicated thread or section on this forum for discussing suicide topics?😢

Yes, it does... Right here...There are a few threads located just below this one. Please make sure to read the introductory post before you start posting...
Feel free to use the search bar if you can't track down a specific topic. If you need to reach out to the moderators, super-mods, or admins, just send them a Quincy or check the designated PDF... Messages, complaints, and feedback...Everything else is just off-topic...

Much appreciated...
Arthur Vaughn2 Arthur Vaughn2 Member
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#3952 ·
So, I was prescribed this antipsychotic called Risset today. Anyone here actually used it before? Any experiences to share? 🙂
driftinggull21 driftinggull21 Active Member
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#3953 ·
George Allen71 said:My question was meant to be a general inquiry about why someone with BPD would be prescribed an antipsychotic... I wasn't asking for a diagnosis for myself specifically. After all, nobody on an internet forum can truly understand my personal medical history or my exact situation...

It isn't uncommon—though certainly not a rule—for an AP to be prescribed for BPD. Individuals with borderline personality disorder can experience what are known as "mini-psychoses." We can define these as very mild episodes of psychotic symptoms; they can even go unnoticed or be masked by other symptoms.
I am speaking in general terms, and obviously, I am not familiar with your specific case. However, you should absolutely be able to discuss your treatment plan openly with your psychiatrist, as it ought to be a collaborative process. If you cannot find common ground, find a new doctor.
Frank Campbell Frank Campbell Member
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#3954 ·
Back when I was on it about four years ago—taking it for seven or eight months total, finishing up with 75mg for the last three—I felt absolutely incredible. Honestly, I felt *too* good, which led me to make the mistake of quitting cold turkey. I was still riding that serotonin high for about a month after stopping, so naturally, I made a totally reckless, impulsive decision to quit my job. Well, that turned into quite the saga! ;-)

Fast forward to a year ago. After taking it for five or six months (hitting the 100mg mark for five of those), I ended up falling for a coworker, which nearly blew up my marriage. Following my psychiatrist's advice, I tapered off, and just a month later, I jumped headfirst into a new business venture. I didn't quit my day job this time, but I definitely took a massive financial leap.

Today, I tried explaining to my psychiatrist that I’m not some kind of manic person; rather, my issues tend to flare up specifically when I STOP taking my antidepressants. She just isn't hearing me. She’s really against me getting back on them. But I truly believe that a steady 50mg dose of Zoloft over the next two years would give me the stability and energy I need. I'll just be careful not to fly too close to the sun this time.

When I'm on an antidepressant, I feel like a lion—powerful, happy, and totally energized. Those silly, impulsive ideas just don't cross my mind (that whole thing with the coworker was likely just a symptom of marital stress, which we're working through). The real trouble starts once I stop. It's happened twice now, so it seems to be a pattern for me. It feels like the meds might still be working in my system for a few months after I quit, even if the intensity fades?
Jason Vaughn482 Jason Vaughn482 Regular
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#3955 ·
Frank Campbell said:Back when I was on it about four years ago—taking it for seven or eight months total, finishing up with 75mg for the last three—I felt absolutely incredible. Honestly, I felt *too* good, which led me to make the mistake of quitting cold turkey. I was still riding that serotonin high for about a month after stopping, so naturally, I made a totally reckless, impulsive decision to quit my job. Well, that turned into quite the saga! ;-)

Fast forward to a year ago. After taking it for five or six months (hitting the 100mg mark for five of those), I ended up falling for a coworker, which nearly blew up my marriage. Following my psychiatrist's advice, I tapered off, and just a month later, I jumped headfirst into a new business venture. I didn't quit my day job this time, but I definitely took a massive financial leap.

Today, I tried explaining to my psychiatrist that I’m not some kind of manic person; rather, my issues tend to flare up specifically when I STOP taking my antidepressants. She just isn't hearing me. She’s really against me getting back on them. But I truly believe that a steady 50mg dose of Zoloft over the next two years would give me the stability and energy I need. I'll just be careful not to fly too close to the sun this time.

When I'm on an antidepressant, I feel like a lion—powerful, happy, and totally energized. Those silly, impulsive ideas just don't cross my mind (that whole thing with the coworker was likely just a symptom of marital stress, which we're working through). The real trouble starts once I stop. It's happened twice now, so it seems to be a pattern for me. It feels like the meds might still be working in my system for a few months after I quit, even if the intensity fades?

Good grief, reading about feeling "lion-like," amazing, satisfied, and full of energy immediately makes me want to get back on Zoloft—even though I've only just started. I honestly can't remember the last time I felt anything remotely like that. God, I hope it lasts that long for me. 🙏
Anthony Lopez8 Anthony Lopez8 Active Member
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#3956 ·
Jason Vaughn482 said:Good grief, reading about feeling "lion-like," amazing, satisfied, and full of energy immediately makes me want to get back on Zoloft—even though I've only just started. I honestly can't remember the last time I felt anything remotely like that. God, I hope it lasts that long for me. 🙏

That sounds fine, I suppose, but one really ought to be cautious about overshooting the mark. It is well-documented that Prozac is among the most likely SSRIs to trigger hypomania, and that isn't strictly limited to those with bipolar disorder; it happens to others as well. 😬
Jason Vaughn482 Jason Vaughn482 Regular
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#3957 ·
Anthony Lopez8 said:That sounds fine, I suppose, but one really ought to be cautious about overshooting the mark. It is well-documented that Prozac is among the most likely SSRIs to trigger hypomania, and that isn't strictly limited to those with bipolar disorder; it happens to others as well. 😬

Honestly, a bit of that hypomania sounds like heaven to me. I’ve spent years feeling completely stalled out—just sluggish, heavy, and perpetually exhausted. I’d give anything to actually feel like a lion for once, to finally have that presence where I feel like I can take on the world.🙂🎉
Justin Rogers5 Justin Rogers5 Active Member
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#3958 ·
Quick question. Yesterday I took 10 mg of unknown around 3 AM. Nothing happened after two hours, so I was thinking about adding 5 mg of Xanax. Would mixing those be a bad move? (I felt wired, like I’d downed a Red Bull.) Or should I just take two 10 mg doses of unknown and call it a night?
Susan Edwards8 Susan Edwards8 Member
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#3959 ·
Has anyone ever tried mixing Paxil and unknown for anxiety and depression? I’ve been on both in the mornings, though I used to take the unknown in the afternoons too. My doctor pulled the second one away from me about three weeks ago. But honestly? Even with both of them, I still feel like a total nervous wreck.
Jason Vaughn482 Jason Vaughn482 Regular
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#3960 ·
Justin Rogers5 said:Quick question. Yesterday I took 10 mg of unknown around 3 AM. Nothing happened after two hours, so I was thinking about adding 5 mg of Xanax. Would mixing those be a bad move? (I felt wired, like I’d downed a Red Bull.) Or should I just take two 10 mg doses of unknown and call it a night?

Well, that unknown is essentially the same thing as Ambien produced by a major US pharmaceutical firm, and you mentioned previously that it affects you terribly... generally speaking, you can take 10 mg along with Xanax; I do it quite frequently myself because even 10 mg of Ambien fails to knock me out most nights.

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