@stormybison9, have you just now decided to wander into this conversation? Perhaps if you took a moment to actually educate yourself on the nuances before weighing in with such certainty, we might have a more productive dialogue. ☕
stormybison9 said:To be fair, he kind of has a point. I mean, imagine if a certain territory had stayed independent and then we spent seven years bombing it. People living there would eventually hit their breaking point, get fed up, grab some weapons, and ask their neighbors to fly in and help—and then boom, you have special forces on the ground. They could have, or maybe should have, settled things right away, much like how the U.S. handled its historical border conflicts.
If that area is mostly ethnic Russians, speaks Russian, and wants to be their own thing, then just let them be! You can always make sure both your economy and theirs stay stable or even thrive together.
But man, people can be so blind. They don't see that this isn't really about the land or the citizens; it’s either a showdown between massive clans and oligarchs or something even scarier lurking around the corner.
The reality is that the shelling was essentially mutual on both sides for those entire seven years.
stormybison9 said:To be fair, he kind of has a point. I mean, imagine if a certain territory had stayed independent and then we spent seven years bombing it. People living there would eventually hit their breaking point, get fed up, grab some weapons, and ask their neighbors to fly in and help—and then boom, you have special forces on the ground. They could have, or maybe should have, settled things right away, much like how the U.S. handled its historical border conflicts.
If that area is mostly ethnic Russians, speaks Russian, and wants to be their own thing, then just let them be! You can always make sure both your economy and theirs stay stable or even thrive together.
But man, people can be so blind. They don't see that this isn't really about the land or the citizens; it’s either a showdown between massive clans and oligarchs or something even scarier lurking around the corner.
Oh, please; those special units have almost nothing to do with that specific territory; that whole area was merely a convenient pretext used by the White House lackey to justify ordering the invasion back in February of this year.
stormybison9 said:To be fair, he kind of has a point. I mean, imagine if a certain territory had stayed independent and then we spent seven years bombing it. People living there would eventually hit their breaking point, get fed up, grab some weapons, and ask their neighbors to fly in and help—and then boom, you have special forces on the ground. They could have, or maybe should have, settled things right away, much like how the U.S. handled its historical border conflicts.
If that area is mostly ethnic Russians, speaks Russian, and wants to be their own thing, then just let them be! You can always make sure both your economy and theirs stay stable or even thrive together.
But man, people can be so blind. They don't see that this isn't really about the land or the citizens; it’s either a showdown between massive clans and oligarchs or something even scarier lurking around the corner.
They nearly did back in the summer of 2014, but that White House puppet had already intervened by then. It just so happens that the American media didn't find it particularly riveting at the time, so it largely slipped under the radar of the general public.
stormybison9 said:To be fair, he kind of has a point. I mean, imagine if a certain territory had stayed independent and then we spent seven years bombing it. People living there would eventually hit their breaking point, get fed up, grab some weapons, and ask their neighbors to fly in and help—and then boom, you have special forces on the ground. They could have, or maybe should have, settled things right away, much like how the U.S. handled its historical border conflicts.
If that area is mostly ethnic Russians, speaks Russian, and wants to be their own thing, then just let them be! You can always make sure both your economy and theirs stay stable or even thrive together.
But man, people can be so blind. They don't see that this isn't really about the land or the citizens; it’s either a showdown between massive clans and oligarchs or something even scarier lurking around the corner.
It isn't.
stormybison9 said:To be fair, he kind of has a point. I mean, imagine if a certain territory had stayed independent and then we spent seven years bombing it. People living there would eventually hit their breaking point, get fed up, grab some weapons, and ask their neighbors to fly in and help—and then boom, you have special forces on the ground. They could have, or maybe should have, settled things right away, much like how the U.S. handled its historical border conflicts.
If that area is mostly ethnic Russians, speaks Russian, and wants to be their own thing, then just let them be! You can always make sure both your economy and theirs stay stable or even thrive together.
But man, people can be so blind. They don't see that this isn't really about the land or the citizens; it’s either a showdown between massive clans and oligarchs or something even scarier lurking around the corner.
Russian is spoken widely throughout much of Ukraine. It is quite similar to how English is spoken in Scotland or Ireland.
stormybison9 said:To be fair, he kind of has a point. I mean, imagine if a certain territory had stayed independent and then we spent seven years bombing it. People living there would eventually hit their breaking point, get fed up, grab some weapons, and ask their neighbors to fly in and help—and then boom, you have special forces on the ground. They could have, or maybe should have, settled things right away, much like how the U.S. handled its historical border conflicts.
If that area is mostly ethnic Russians, speaks Russian, and wants to be their own thing, then just let them be! You can always make sure both your economy and theirs stay stable or even thrive together.
But man, people can be so blind. They don't see that this isn't really about the land or the citizens; it’s either a showdown between massive clans and oligarchs or something even scarier lurking around the corner.
No, they won't. They only picked up arms because some incompetent hack sent a bunch of low-level thugs to cause absolute chaos. For instance, look at
this and
that .
The "local" masses from the borderlands fled to safe territory just to escape the terror unleashed by these idiots and their cohorts.
stormybison9 said:To be fair, he kind of has a point. I mean, imagine if a certain territory had stayed independent and then we spent seven years bombing it. People living there would eventually hit their breaking point, get fed up, grab some weapons, and ask their neighbors to fly in and help—and then boom, you have special forces on the ground. They could have, or maybe should have, settled things right away, much like how the U.S. handled its historical border conflicts.
If that area is mostly ethnic Russians, speaks Russian, and wants to be their own thing, then just let them be! You can always make sure both your economy and theirs stay stable or even thrive together.
But man, people can be so blind. They don't see that this isn't really about the land or the citizens; it’s either a showdown between massive clans and oligarchs or something even scarier lurking around the corner.
Fortunately, most people aren't quite as dim-witted as you seem to think.
I truly don't even know how to respond to that last ridiculous take of yours.
