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Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5

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swiftjackal11 swiftjackal11 Regular
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#6221 ·
wiredtiger8 said:Spot on.
Russian nukes could miss their target by twenty or fifty feet, while American tech hits a dime from miles away. 🤦

When I say modern, I mean getting from point A to point B. With the Russian tech, they just explode at point A.
Gregory Ramos3 Gregory Ramos3 Active Member
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#6222 ·
hollowdriver13 said:https://twitter.com/wartranslated/st...C-0dX43tArAAAA

Looks like the propaganda playbook just got an update. Suddenly, it’s not about those 50 busted HIMARS units anymore—now they're claiming the whole US system is junk and that the Smerch is actually superior.

Oh, sure, now all of a sudden HIMARS is amazing and NATO is looking totally unstoppable. 🙏 🙏 🤣

And of course, we've hit the predictable part of the script where everyone claims NATO SOF was operating on the Kharkiv front, and that's why things fell apart there.

Hmm.. Theoretically speaking—and I mean strictly in theory here—is this just an attempt at an exit strategy?

-We were actually way stronger and would've crushed Ukraine in three days flat, but those wicked NATO guys kept sending over wunderwaffe. So, we have to retreat, lick our wounds, build even better gear, and then come back in ten years.
-We were definitely better, but the ref totally screwed us over.
-This time next year...

🤷
Timothy Nelson5 Timothy Nelson5 Active Member
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#6223 ·
gentlerider7 said:Ever since this latest Ukrainian counteroffensive kicked off, it feels like every second comment I see is just someone obsessing over tactical nukes.

I mean, as unlikely as it seems right now, we can't just say that option is totally off the table.

The Russian elite seem pretty rattled, and those groups of unhinged warmongers over there are pushing that idea as a last resort with terrifying ease, I guess.
jadetinker85 jadetinker85 Regular
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#6224 ·
Carl Hernandez3 said:Persia isn't some Islamist mess
If you're going to be ignorant—honestly—don't broadcast it
Just keep those thoughts to yourself

How is that not true? Just the other day, they beat a girl to death simply because she wasn't wearing a hijab. I don't know what kind of animal a human being can become over some law that serves no purpose.
wiredtiger8 wiredtiger8 Active Member
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#6225 ·
bluemason3 said:About a third of the Russian strikes aren't even hitting their marks. On top of that, it takes days to scout and fix those target coordinates—which isn't exactly ideal when you're trying to hit high-priority strategic military targets in real time.

I don't even know where to start with this one—honestly, it’s just one of those days where everything feels like a slow-motion train wreck. You look at the news, you look at what's happening on the ground, and you just want to stare at a wall for an hour. It’s exhausting. Everything is moving so fast, yet somehow nothing is actually changing, if that makes any sense? Just a constant loop of chaos and noise. Anyway, I'm just venting. My head is spinning. kaže:
When people talk about "modernity," they usually mean getting from point A to point B with some kind of efficiency—you know, progress, tech, moving forward. But honestly? Most times, we’re just watching a Russian missile blow everything up at point A before we even get started.
If Russ were actually looking to pull off a tactical strike like that, they wouldn't be wasting time—they’d probably just let a Tomahawk do the dirty work. And honestly? You can't exactly call those things inaccurate. They hit what they're aimed at.

Look, let’s just stop with all this nonsense about a poorly maintained Russ nuclear arsenal. Seriously. They have more than enough modern, fully functional hardware ready to go whenever they feel like it—so yeah, maybe rethink that whole narrative.

And then there’s this endless, repetitive chatter—not just on this damn forum, but everywhere you look lately—about whether tactical nukes should be used in Ukraine. It’s become this constant background noise, honestly. Even Biden is getting pulled into the conversation. Everyone seems to have their own little angle on it, talking out of their own pockets and pushing whatever agenda serves them best. It’s exhausting.

If you ask me—and honestly, I’m just shouting into the void here—we talk about this possibility way too often. It’s constant. It’s exhausting. And I can't help but wonder why we're doing it. Is it some kind of psychological play to get Putin to back off from even considering it? Or is it something much more calculated—like we're slowly paving the road and laying the groundwork so that when the time actually comes, nobody is shocked? Who knows. It feels like we're either trying to scare them off or prepping ourselves for the inevitable, and frankly, it’s hard to tell which one it is.

One thing is absolutely certain—and this is exactly what Biden said (or more likely, what he was coached to say)—is that the very nature of this war, and honestly every single conflict we see from here on out, is about to change forever.

First thing that jumps to mind—and I mean, really sticks in my craw—is Israel stepping in, maybe alongside some tactical strikes against Iran, if they ever decide that Iran is actually sitting on a finished nuclear program or is just seconds away from pulling the trigger on one.
Sean Watson3 Sean Watson3 Member
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#6226 ·
It wasn't some narrative pushed by Russ propagandists that got me thinking about tactical shifts—I have no interest in swallowing that bait. It was simply the sheer insistence on holding an emergency referendum to annex territory right at the moment it’s being lost.

Honestly, I don't see how any of this changes the reality on the ground. The war will play out its course regardless; neither Ukraine nor anyone else is going to stop what they're doing just because of these possibilities.
Michelle Young50 Michelle Young50 Member
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#6227 ·
If the Russians feel threatened by NATO expansion and are desperate for some kind of buffer zone, I think the most elegant solution would be to establish an "independent" people's republic covering everything from New York City, Cleveland, Indianapolis, and Memphis all the way down to the Appalachians. Both Ukrainians and NATO would likely get on board with that idea
Kate Lewis3 Kate Lewis3 Active Member
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#6228 ·
jadetinker85 said:How is that not true? Just the other day, they beat a girl to death simply because she wasn't wearing a hijab. I don't know what kind of animal a human being can become over some law that serves no purpose.

Actually, it wasn't even because she *wasn't* wearing it—it was because she wore it "wrong." Basically, her hair was showing.
Timothy Nelson5 Timothy Nelson5 Active Member
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#6229 ·
Gregory Ramos3 said:But man, that's dead wrong, and if that scenario actually played out, it would pretty much lead straight to Armageddon.

Like, what would even stop North Korea from dropping one of those on their southern brothers in that situation?
Or China launching a couple over toward Taiwan or Japan?

There is seriously zero point zero zero zero one percent chance that people wouldn't react, and the Russians know that better than anyone..

What would stop them?

The simple fact is, those countries would just rush to get their own nuclear arsenal immediately.

It’s an open secret that Japan has its own "readiness" program ready to go.

And I find it hard to believe South Korea doesn't have something similar up their sleeve.
South Korea's GDP is roughly on par with Russia's.
Japan's is nearly three times larger.

There are even circles claiming Taiwan might already have a few pieces tucked away...

There isn't even a 0.0001% chance that nobody would react, and Russ knows that all too well..

I guess Ukrainians would be pretty naive—maybe even foolish—if they weren't preparing to scramble and put together a few units themselves under these conditions.
Nathan Thomas12 Nathan Thomas12 Regular
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#6230 ·
Timothy Nelson5 said:What would stop them?

The simple fact is, those countries would just rush to get their own nuclear arsenal immediately.

It’s an open secret that Japan has its own "readiness" program ready to go.

And I find it hard to believe South Korea doesn't have something similar up their sleeve.
South Korea's GDP is roughly on par with Russia's.
Japan's is nearly three times larger.

There are even circles claiming Taiwan might already have a few pieces tucked away...

There isn't even a 0.0001% chance that nobody would react, and Russ knows that all too well..

I guess Ukrainians would be pretty naive—maybe even foolish—if they weren't preparing to scramble and put together a few units themselves under these conditions.

Building a nuke? Probably out of reach. But they’ve got plenty of radioactive waste lying around. If nothing else, they could at least use that to poison the rivers and the farmland.
Frank Martin13 Frank Martin13 Member
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#6231 ·
Michelle Young50 said:If the Russians feel threatened by NATO expansion and are desperate for some kind of buffer zone, I think the most elegant solution would be to establish an "independent" people's republic covering everything from New York City, Cleveland, Indianapolis, and Memphis all the way down to the Appalachians. Both Ukrainians and NATO would likely get on board with that idea

...well, here is my counter-proposal: let every single Russian aggressor just pack up, leave UA, and head straight back to Mother Russia👍 and then everyone wins; us, you, most of the Russian soldiers, and especially dear Mr. Putin—who, if he could find a way to build a time machine (perhaps those Russian engineers are working on something in that department? 😁)—would much rather travel back to the past and swallow that order to invade the sovereign state of UA whole...🙂
James Chavez91 James Chavez91 Active Member
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#6232 ·
I guess there isn't much more to say about this—it just is what it is.
Frank Martin13 said:...well, here is my counter-proposal: let every single Russian aggressor just pack up, leave UA, and head straight back to Mother Russia👍 and then everyone wins; us, you, most of the Russian soldiers, and especially dear Mr. Putin—who, if he could find a way to build a time machine (perhaps those Russian engineers are working on something in that department? 😁)—would much rather travel back to the past and swallow that order to invade the sovereign state of UA whole...🙂

Not gonna happen. Putin’s got seven different banks to his name—he’d probably try to run it all back regardless of the consequences. It feels like nothing more than some kind of boyish fantasy, I guess.
I guess he couldn't care less about what kind of legacy he leaves behind—honestly. If he actually gave a damn about the well-being of Russia itself, things would have looked a lot different during his earlier years, let alone with this whole invasion mess.
The guy is just sick. Period.
Frank Martin13 Frank Martin13 Member
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#6233 ·
James Chavez91 said:I guess there isn't much more to say about this—it just is what it is.

Not gonna happen. Putin’s got seven different banks to his name—he’d probably try to run it all back regardless of the consequences. It feels like nothing more than some kind of boyish fantasy, I guess.
I guess he couldn't care less about what kind of legacy he leaves behind—honestly. If he actually gave a damn about the well-being of Russia itself, things would have looked a lot different during his earlier years, let alone with this whole invasion mess.
The guy is just sick. Period.

...honestly, forget about those seven banks for a second🤔 maybe he’s convinced himself he’s invincible. I mean, back in the day, you had troops stationed in places like Romania—you know, the land famous for Dracula’s castle—but now, if you read the various news outlets, it seems like HE spends his entire existence hunkered down in some underground bunker 😕 draw your own conclusions from that. 😉
Sean Watson3 Sean Watson3 Member
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#6234 ·
Sure, the biggest mistake people make is assuming this is all being done in Russia's best interest. Everything we've seen so far has actually backfired on Russia and its citizens, regardless of how you look at the timeline.

That’s why I wouldn't be shocked by some "desperation moves."
He’s backed himself into a corner of his own making. Winning this war on the battlefield seems impossible unless he calls for a general mobilization—which, let's face it, might be the only thing capable of actually toppling him.

So, it wouldn't surprise me if he drops a smaller bomb on a section of the front where it won't cause a massive massacre, but will serve to freeze the lines. It seems he'd rather gamble against NATO than risk a full-scale mobilization.

Think about it: stage a referendum, perhaps fabricate a scenario involving a Ukrainian chemical attack from a NATO lab on Russian soil, and then launch a retaliation strike.

But honestly? I think the Ukrainians are in a "pay the price" mindset for everything; they'd likely keep pushing even after a strike like that.

Either way, I see tactical mobilization happening before general mobilization, simply because the personal risk to Putin is much lower.
wiredtiger8 wiredtiger8 Active Member
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#6235 ·
Timothy Nelson5 said:What would stop them?

The simple fact is, those countries would just rush to get their own nuclear arsenal immediately.

It’s an open secret that Japan has its own "readiness" program ready to go.

And I find it hard to believe South Korea doesn't have something similar up their sleeve.
South Korea's GDP is roughly on par with Russia's.
Japan's is nearly three times larger.

There are even circles claiming Taiwan might already have a few pieces tucked away...

There isn't even a 0.0001% chance that nobody would react, and Russ knows that all too well..

I guess Ukrainians would be pretty naive—maybe even foolish—if they weren't preparing to scramble and put together a few units themselves under these conditions.

You make it sound like they’ll just whip up "a few units" overnight... as if one crew is assembling nukes while the other is busy spinning a pig on a spit...😁

Look, matter of fact or not, you can't just "wing it."

I mean, Iran has the "knowledge" too—I mean, any physicist worth their salt knows the theory behind building a nuclear bomb—they've got the cash, the centrifuges... they've been grinding away at a bomb for ten years now, and yet, here we are, and they still don't have one...
Paul Anderson7 Paul Anderson7 Active Member
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#6236 ·
I suspect Putin views things through a very simple lens: Russia now holds more territory than it did at the start of the year, and in his eyes, he won it. He took Crimea, so he sees himself as a significant statesman.
As for the political fallout for Russia down the road? He doesn't seem to care about that; his main priority is ensuring that while he’s in power, he’s remembered for building a powerful Russia that conquered its neighbors. The citizens and their standard of living? Let's be real, that's the last thing on his mind.

Putin considers himself a great leader, and he’s determined to be recorded in history as a winner, regardless of the cost. That’s actually what worries me—people like him are obsessed with their own legacy. In Russia, nobody really cares if you bolstered the economy or brought political stability; what matters is winning a war, because that’s what gets you monuments. If he loses that ability, I honestly believe he’ll do anything to prevent it. But I also suspect that if he does fall, someone will eventually show up to toss his head onto Times Square.
wiredtiger8 wiredtiger8 Active Member
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#6237 ·
Sean Watson3 said:Sure, the biggest mistake people make is assuming this is all being done in Russia's best interest. Everything we've seen so far has actually backfired on Russia and its citizens, regardless of how you look at the timeline.

That’s why I wouldn't be shocked by some "desperation moves."
He’s backed himself into a corner of his own making. Winning this war on the battlefield seems impossible unless he calls for a general mobilization—which, let's face it, might be the only thing capable of actually toppling him.

So, it wouldn't surprise me if he drops a smaller bomb on a section of the front where it won't cause a massive massacre, but will serve to freeze the lines. It seems he'd rather gamble against NATO than risk a full-scale mobilization.

Think about it: stage a referendum, perhaps fabricate a scenario involving a Ukrainian chemical attack from a NATO lab on Russian soil, and then launch a retaliation strike.

But honestly? I think the Ukrainians are in a "pay the price" mindset for everything; they'd likely keep pushing even after a strike like that.

Either way, I see tactical mobilization happening before general mobilization, simply because the personal risk to Putin is much lower.

Or even a staged Ukrainian missile hitting Moscow to provide the perfect excuse to deploy a tactical nuke against Ukraine.

Let's not underestimate Putin and that kind of "intellect."
Timothy Nelson5 Timothy Nelson5 Active Member
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#6238 ·
I guess I should start by saying that everything we think we know about this situation is probably just a surface-level glance at a much deeper, messier reality. It’s easy to get caught up in the headlines, but if you sit back and really look at the mechanics of how things move on the global stage, it’s all a bit more complicated than the news makes it out to be. Maybe. Or maybe I'm just being overly cautious. Regardless, there's a certain weight to these events that doesn't always translate to the soundbites we see on TV. It feels like we're watching a slow-motion collision where nobody actually knows when the impact is going to happen. Just my two cents, anyway.
wiredtiger8 said:You make it sound like they’ll just whip up "a few units" overnight... as if one crew is assembling nukes while the other is busy spinning a pig on a spit...😁

Look, matter of fact or not, you can't just "wing it."

I mean, Iran has the "knowledge" too—I mean, any physicist worth their salt knows the theory behind building a nuclear bomb—they've got the cash, the centrifuges... they've been grinding away at a bomb for ten years now, and yet, here we are, and they still don't have one...

First off, it's not exactly like this all happened overnight—it’s not like this war just kicked off six months ago. I mean, if you look at the timeline, this whole thing actually started eight years back.

Second off, it isn't even as if Ukraine would be breaking some kind of international legal norm or anything like that. I guess. Maybe. It just doesn't seem that way to me.
They were essentially just the nuclear successor to the USSR, I suppose.
They just walked away from it. Or maybe they gave up on it entirely. I guess you could say they renounced it, though I'm not entirely sure if that's the right word for it. It feels more like they just let it slip through their fingers. Maybe. voluntary... in exchange for... Guarantees... I suppose that’s what we’re talking about now. It’s a heavy word, isn't it? People toss it around like it actually means something in this day and age. Back in the day, you could take a man's word or a signed contract and feel some semblance of security, but now? Everything feels conditional. Everything comes with a massive asterisk attached to the fine print. I guess we just assume things will hold up, but history usually has other plans. Maybe we're all just being a bit too optimistic. Or maybe we're just tired of being disappointed. Hard to say.The guarantees have been broken, I suppose. It seems the Ukrainian side isn't even trying to hide their position anymore—they’re basically claiming they have every right to go nuclear now.
I know some people are going to get worked up about this, and they probably will, but honestly? If Russia starts making those nuclear threats, I don't see anyone in the West actually having the guts to tell Ukraine "no." It’s a messy situation, I guess... maybe even more complicated than it looks on the surface, but the reality is likely that nobody is going to push back against that kind of leverage.

Thirdly.
They’ve got quite a few nuclear facilities scattered around, I suppose... everything from the major power plants to those various processing sites. It's a lot to keep track of, really.
There are thousands of specialists out there who have spent their entire careers working in those facilities—everything from the enrichment processes to handling weapon-grade materials, all the way down to the actual construction of the nuclear warheads themselves. I guess you could say they know where all the bodies are buried.

Who knows how much leftover material or old technology actually ended up sitting around in those facilities... and honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if some warhead from back in the day is just tucked away somewhere, hidden out of sight. Maybe. It's hard to say.

I suppose there isn't much left to say, really. Everything just feels like it's circling the drain at this point. I guess I'll just leave it at that.
I mean, look at Iran. They’ve got the "know-how"—I suppose any decent physicist can wrap their head around the theory behind building a nuclear bomb—they have the cash, they have the centrifuges... they've been grinding away at this for ten years now, and yet, well, they still don't have one. I guess.
Look, you and I both understand the basic mechanics of an internal combustion engine—how it actually functions under the hood. But go ahead, try building one from scratch. Just imagine someone suddenly drops you right into the middle of the 1700s without a single tool or a scrap of modern tech. Good luck with that, I guess.
Look, if you actually had access to a local junkyard, I guess you could probably scrape together something that runs in no time at all. Maybe.
Sean Watson3 Sean Watson3 Member
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#6239 ·
That’s exactly why the US isn't handing over long-range weapons just yet.

It isn't that they're afraid of some loose cannon in Ukraine; they're wary of a staged disaster.
jadetinker85 jadetinker85 Regular
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#6240 ·
Kate Lewis3 said:Actually, it wasn't even because she *wasn't* wearing it—it was because she wore it "wrong." Basically, her hair was showing.

How tragic. Honestly, a few strands of hair were visible? I think I read somewhere that none of the actual holy books even mandate that women cover their hair.

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