Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5

rowdyraven112 said:Colonialism, maybe? If major European powers had actually paid fairly for what they took from their colonies, they wouldn't have such highly developed industries. In an environment where the strong exploit the weak, it's obvious that capital accumulates wherever it can multiply—specifically in manufacturing—which explains why the economies look so different.
It's like claiming climate change is caused by the last five years instead of the last hundred. ☕

But if you think it's totally fine for our people to migrate abroad to work minimum wage jobs—taking away roles from Germans who won't touch those low wages—while also finding it normal when Indians, Pakistanis, or Kyrgyz migrants come here to take those same minimum wage jobs away from our people who also won't work for peanuts, then that’s your problem.
Someone once said: if you can't pay a worker a decent wage, turn the key in the lock and goodbye. I remember them saying, "there are as many people like you at the unemployment office as you want"... now it's changed to "there are as many people like you in Pakistan and India as you want"... just wait until those guys start touching minors... ☕
But to you, it's all perfectly normal.

I never claimed Russia was a democracy. It's a totalitarian state. How is the US any different? Maybe you don't go to jail for speaking your mind or spreading the truth unless you pick a fight with a superpower like Assange, but economically, things were more or less the same for the middle class until the war started☕.

Who is responsible for the war in Ukraine? Putin, obviously. What your brain fails to process is the fact that this has been going on for eight years, not just a few months☕. And everyone ignored it until now, didn't they?

I don't know if you slept through those last eight years, but there haven't been "military operations" for seven of them. Even what wrapped up back in 2015 wasn't anywhere near this level of intensity, let alone the constant, insane threats regarding nuclear weapons coming from the Russians...

rowdyraven112 said:Colonialism, maybe? If major European powers had actually paid fairly for what they took from their colonies, they wouldn't have such highly developed industries. In an environment where the strong exploit the weak, it's obvious that capital accumulates wherever it can multiply—specifically in manufacturing—which explains why the economies look so different.
It's like claiming climate change is caused by the last five years instead of the last hundred. ☕

But if you think it's totally fine for our people to migrate abroad to work minimum wage jobs—taking away roles from Germans who won't touch those low wages—while also finding it normal when Indians, Pakistanis, or Kyrgyz migrants come here to take those same minimum wage jobs away from our people who also won't work for peanuts, then that’s your problem.
Someone once said: if you can't pay a worker a decent wage, turn the key in the lock and goodbye. I remember them saying, "there are as many people like you at the unemployment office as you want"... now it's changed to "there are as many people like you in Pakistan and India as you want"... just wait until those guys start touching minors... ☕
But to you, it's all perfectly normal.

I never claimed Russia was a democracy. It's a totalitarian state. How is the US any different? Maybe you don't go to jail for speaking your mind or spreading the truth unless you pick a fight with a superpower like Assange, but economically, things were more or less the same for the middle class until the war started☕.

Who is responsible for the war in Ukraine? Putin, obviously. What your brain fails to process is the fact that this has been going on for eight years, not just a few months☕. And everyone ignored it until now, didn't they?

Man, what a blatant, absolute load of garbage... I mean, sure, if you want to argue that Russia and the USSR kept a huge chunk of the planet under their thumb—specifically the parts loaded with all the energy resources—then fine, they’re still screwed... but what this person is claiming is just straight-up lies.

The whole thing comes down to the system and nothing else. A satrapy like Russia and its regime can never, and I mean never, develop the way Western democracies do. Their entire structure prevents it. You could hand modern-day Russia Swiss-level industry and development, and within 10 or 15 years, they'd be right back to being the same mess they are now.

What you're talking about is basically fairy tales for toddlers. If hoarding wealth was actually the key, Russia would be the richest nation on Earth without even trying... but clearly, it isn't... not even close.

The stuff you people writing pro-Russian nonsense post is so detached from reality that it’s actually fascinating to watch...

crimsoncyclist71 said:I don't know why this kind of trolling is allowed here.

What? Does the truth bother you as much as it bothers Putin? ☕

Carol Johnson21 said:No, Putin just thinks he *is* Truman.
The difference? The Japanese attacked Truman's country. Putin wants us to swallow the narrative that the liberation of Ukrainian territory is actually a defensive response to an attack on his own nation.
Neither you nor I believe that for a second.
Truman dropped those bombs over 70 years ago. Since then, how many countries have launched a nuclear weapon, especially against Europe?
What can I say? He'll either end up without fingers or drinking a poisoned cup of tea. The Russians know perfectly well that if he pulls the trigger on a nuke, there won't be anything left of them after a few minutes anyway.
Do you see what the ultimate solution is?

I assume most Russians realize this, but the little guy doesn't care how many lives get sacrificed for his ego and delusions of grandeur.

"Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu announced that Russia will immediately begin mobilizing 300,000 reservists. 'Our human reserves are massive, totaling 25 million people, and this mobilization represents only one percent of our potential,' the Russian Defense Minister stated."

He could "spend" 25 million people without even breaking a sweat, and they'd still have 120 million left. 😲

rowdyraven112 said:A world war would prove you wrong... Same goes for Vietnam, where millions of Vietnamese lives were lost.☕

Honestly, you two aren't really looking at the big picture when it comes to Demography.
(By the way, Demography doesn't have anything to do with war)

Nicholas Perez7 said:What does the youth population have to do with how wars are fought today? It’s like trying to fight a modern drone strike with nothing but old-school infantry tactics; you're done before you even see the enemy.

Until a robot actually walks into a room and physically secures a territory, we’re still going to be looking at the old ways—meaning you still need boots on the ground (along with the Navy and Air Force) to actually pull off those kinds of objectives.

The reality is that people are dying on the front lines, and young men are being sent into those combat zones. But there aren't many young people left to send, which might just be the beginning of the end for Russia.

PS: I can't recall if any other nation has ever surrendered solely due to airstrikes without facing a full-scale ground invasion—it reminds me of how Mexico handled things back in the day.

Nicholas Perez7 said:What does the youth population have to do with how wars are fought today? It’s like trying to fight a modern drone strike with nothing but old-school infantry tactics; you're done before you even see the enemy.

That’s pretty different from how you’re picturing it—you still need boots on the ground to actually take territory.

rowdyraven112 said:What? Does the truth bother you as much as it bothers Putin? ☕

You’d have to be a straight-up pathological liar to claim things in California are anything like they are in Russia.

It’s actually pretty funny—your whole pathetic, dishonest existence and the absolute garbage you post on these threads basically proves your own point... you're either too dim or just too full of it to see how ridiculous you sound...

rowdyraven112 said:What? Does the truth bother you as much as it bothers Putin? ☕

You've been reported for trolling. Every one of your future nonsensical posts should be flagged. You're just cluttering the forum with obvious attempts to provoke people.

analogbear70 said:It’s honestly tragic what this has turned into. I can only hope that common sense eventually prevails. Russian aggression shows no signs of stopping, yet I don't see many voices here or even in the wider world pushing for actual de-escalation. We saw how pressure was applied on our side—weapon embargos, endless rounds of negotiations, and finally that infamous Z4 plan that would have basically handed over a state within a state to the insurgents. Here, there isn't even a whisper of trying to appease the Russians by treating them like some sort of "great power," and frankly, that lack of recognition is what stings them most amidst their defeats. The bottom line is that Russia is trying to bleed everything dry—down to the very last Ukrainian—before they attempt to carve up territory and drag us all back into a Dark Age for the next two centuries. That’s a dangerous gamble that could pull everyone under. How should we face an aggressor? I don't have a simple answer. All I know is that right now, I see zero interest in settling this conflict. Just like how we had to exhaust every single other option before Operation Storm, this feels like the only path left.

The comparison doesn't really hold up because we were building a nation from scratch without international recognition, whereas Russia is attacking a sovereign, recognized nation that they actually signed security guarantees for back in 1995, so now they suddenly need to be accommodated or whatever...

Brenda Murphy3 said:You’d have to be a straight-up pathological liar to claim things in California are anything like they are in Russia.

It’s actually pretty funny—your whole pathetic, dishonest existence and the absolute garbage you post on these threads basically proves your own point... you're either too dim or just too full of it to see how ridiculous you sound...

The guy is just a provocateur. Russia took a massive hit on the battlefield, so now he can't brag about military victories anymore. All he has left is to provoke. It's pathetic, much like the Russian army.

He’ll likely sacrifice tens of thousands of capable men in a futile attempt to stifle dissent... after all, women and children aren't seen as much of a threat to his grip on power, are they?

Carol Rodriguez7 said:Until a robot actually walks into a room and physically secures a territory, we’re still going to be looking at the old ways—meaning you still need boots on the ground (along with the Navy and Air Force) to actually pull off those kinds of objectives.

The reality is that people are dying on the front lines, and young men are being sent into those combat zones. But there aren't many young people left to send, which might just be the beginning of the end for Russia.

PS: I can't recall if any other nation has ever surrendered solely due to airstrikes without facing a full-scale ground invasion—it reminds me of how Mexico handled things back in the day.

That's exactly the point. Nobody in Europe, including Ukraine, is looking to occupy Russia. They just want to defend their own soil, and older generations can step up for that too. I was already 35 when I joined the service during the Gulf War, so I definitely wasn't exactly "young" back then.

"Earlier this morning, Russian President Vladimir Putin addressed the nation, claiming the West is hell-bent on destroying Russia and insisting this entire conflict is just about defending Russian interests and the Donbas territory."

Anyone who has ever spent any real time studying human character or psychology knows exactly what they're hearing: the classic rhetoric of a psychopath.
And we all know there's no cure for that kind of mindset.

neontinker5 said:He’ll likely sacrifice tens of thousands of capable men in a futile attempt to stifle dissent... after all, women and children aren't seen as much of a threat to his grip on power, are they?

And you poor souls who end up dying? Statistically speaking, you're probably the only children those parents will ever have.
Demographics can work wonders, but honestly, I don't think a single ruler in history has actually been smart enough to grasp how that works.

neontinker5 said:He’ll likely sacrifice tens of thousands of capable men in a futile attempt to stifle dissent... after all, women and children aren't seen as much of a threat to his grip on power, are they?

And then there's the economic geniuses 🧐

Top long-term politician moves right there.

At least Russian women and Ukrainian women will be shipped to the West on freight trains.

Carol Rodriguez7 said:Until a robot actually walks into a room and physically secures a territory, we’re still going to be looking at the old ways—meaning you still need boots on the ground (along with the Navy and Air Force) to actually pull off those kinds of objectives.

The reality is that people are dying on the front lines, and young men are being sent into those combat zones. But there aren't many young people left to send, which might just be the beginning of the end for Russia.

PS: I can't recall if any other nation has ever surrendered solely due to airstrikes without facing a full-scale ground invasion—it reminds me of how Mexico handled things back in the day.

Japan.

darkhawk30 said:"Earlier this morning, Russian President Vladimir Putin addressed the nation, claiming the West is hell-bent on destroying Russia and insisting this entire conflict is just about defending Russian interests and the Donbas territory."

Anyone who has ever spent any real time studying human character or psychology knows exactly what they're hearing: the classic rhetoric of a psychopath.
And we all know there's no cure for that kind of mindset.

Man, so many people in the West totally fall for that line.
I still remember just two or three days before the Russian invasion started, people on this forum were insisting
that it was all just some big Russian show and an actual attack would never happen. Then, once it really kicked off, they all scurried away like mice into their little holes!

https://twitter.com/a_anusauskas/sta...13930748243969
The Lithuanian Minister of National Defense just issued a warning: Since the Russian military mobilization is also going to be happening right near our borders—specifically near the Kaliningrad region—Lithuanian rapid response forces are being placed on high alert. They need to ensure they can shut down any potential Russian provocations immediately.

bluemason3 said:And then there's the economic geniuses 🧐

Top long-term politician moves right there.

At least Russian women and Ukrainian women will be shipped to the West on freight trains.

That is honestly a disgusting comment.