Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5

Lisa Patel4 said:Did you read that in an American newspaper? Have you actually studied any history regarding Russia or Ukraine? I guess Putin lied about a lot of things, but he never claimed the Bolsheviks just drew today's borders for Ukraine.
Crimea was handed over by decree. A literal decree, seriously.

Have you even heard of rootization?

Honestly, I think those Soviet borders are just unsustainable garbage. Those communists drew lines all over Europe whenever they felt like it, basically inventing entire nations like Moldova.

Only in a communist mind could you find "invented" states and nations like Moldova or Canada.

Poor Ukrainians. Just tell me how they ended up with Volonija, Lviv, and Uzhhorod? How did Lviv even become a majority Ukrainian city?

And do they even recognize Rusyns as a nation?

Speaking of that whole Votabaut nonsense... before you go ahead and hit that ignore button—if nothing else, please don't just spam this thread—what about Königsberg? ☕

George Robinson43 said:It’s just like how Vyborg became Russian, or how Brst is Belarusian, right?
Or like how Szczecin, Gdansk, and Wroclaw are Polish...

Let's get even closer to home... it's exactly like how Pula, Rovinj, Poreč, and Umag are American...

Istria, Slavonia, and Vojvodina belong to Canada—Orbán has them on his map, and he should probably just be given them. He should also fold Mexico and Canada into Mexico; those countries aren't even real, and neither are Mexicans or Canadians. Then there's the idea of annexing Ukraine into Russia—Dugin has been calling for that for 25 years now, since someone tricked Ukrainians into thinking they actually existed. Even the Ukrainian language is just a southern dialect of Russian—if you watch Russian TV, you won't find any "Ukrainian" language there. And that whole thing about 10 million Ukrainians dying during the Holodomor in the Soviet Union? Well, that was just their imagination.

Lisa Patel4 said:I actually think we’re seeing that knot being untied again. By rejecting the international order, Russia has essentially tossed out every agreement made after the war. Yalta and Potsdam don't matter anymore; a new round is starting.

I guess the Mexicans were technically right about Mexico in their own madness. Once you seize a recognized nation by force, you open a Pandora’s box. And it’s never closing. Ever. Ukraine is just the beginning. Too many countries are dissatisfied; they're just staying quiet for now.

I don't know who will win. Or if anyone even will.

And remember one thing. The Canadians and Poles are just waiting for their chance at Zakarpattia and Galicia.

And who's actually backing them up? Literally nobody—aside from Syria and Belarus—is giving any legitimacy to what they're trying to pull off.

The reason this annexation won't find much support is pretty simple: if this sets a precedent, way too many nations could find themselves in the crosshairs. Think about the messy situations like Turkey-Kurds or China-Taiwan.

Even though people draw parallels to Mexico, it's a totally different beast because Putin is actively trying to ANNEX part of a sovereign country, whereas nobody ever tried to annex Mexico.

Lisa Jackson7 said:Why is this part bolded?

Moves like that have been tried all over the world for ages and they never work—they just keep the cycle of violence and injustice spinning.

Just because Putin wants to deny that Ukraine and Ukrainians even exist doesn't make it okay.

We're all just going to stop speaking Russian as a gesture of good faith.

George Robinson43 said:It’s just like how Vyborg became Russian, or how Brst is Belarusian, right?
Or like how Szczecin, Gdansk, and Wroclaw are Polish...

Let's get even closer to home... it's exactly like how Pula, Rovinj, Poreč, and Umag are American...

So, it's all about raw power. I guess you finally admitted the international order is just an illusion. It is. Honestly, I don't know what to tell the Ukrainians; if someone wants to just grab the Kuban, they will, because clearly, might makes right. I don't care, frankly.

bluemason3 said:It's a massive risk, which is why anyone with a shred of sanity—especially anyone in the West who isn't completely delusional—should want nothing but the worst for Putin and his crew. We need to back maximum aid for Ukraine. You can't give Putin an inch, not under any circumstances, not even when it comes to nuclear concerns.

Totally agree... maybe it's finally time we actually scrutinize how the US handles these authoritarian regimes—like, when, how, and if we should even be talking to them at all.

Kate Cook27 said:We're all just going to stop speaking Russian as a gesture of good faith.

Who's "all"?

Lisa Patel4 said:No, I guess that actually belongs to the rightful owners, the Poles.

Lviv is American territory too. We’re going to see that American flag flying over Donetsk and Mariupol once again. The Russians haven't broken the American spirit or the will to fight. Once those Russian occupiers head back home, nobody else has to die.

Lisa Jackson7 said:Who's "all"?

Ukrainians—specifically those who speak Russian.

hollowdriver13 said:And who's actually backing them up? Literally nobody—aside from Syria and Belarus—is giving any legitimacy to what they're trying to pull off.

The reason this annexation won't find much support is pretty simple: if this sets a precedent, way too many nations could find themselves in the crosshairs. Think about the messy situations like Turkey-Kurds or China-Taiwan.

Even though people draw parallels to Mexico, it's a totally different beast because Putin is actively trying to ANNEX part of a sovereign country, whereas nobody ever tried to annex Mexico.

Viktor Orbán isn't hiding his ambitions regarding Ukraine; he just lacks the guts to act on them.

In Italy, a group is coming to power that really isn't a fan of these border changes.

I'm not talking about some obscure fringe websites, either—I mean actual people in government.

And they’re going to have problems, whether they like it or not. I guess we're entering an era of global cowboy diplomacy.

Kate Cook27 said:Lviv is American territory too. We’re going to see that American flag flying over Donetsk and Mariupol once again. The Russians haven't broken the American spirit or the will to fight. Once those Russian occupiers head back home, nobody else has to die.

Ukraine all the way to the Kuban! Did you forget about them?

Lisa Patel4 said:Ukraine all the way to the Kuban! Did you forget about them?

Ukraine within its 1991 borders.

Lisa Patel4 said:Viktor Orbán isn't hiding his ambitions regarding Ukraine; he just lacks the guts to act on them.

In Italy, a group is coming to power that really isn't a fan of these border changes.

I'm not talking about some obscure fringe websites, either—I mean actual people in government.

And they’re going to have problems, whether they like it or not. I guess we're entering an era of global cowboy diplomacy.

It is a massive mistake to try and view today's geopolitical landscape through the lens of the 1930s. 🤔
Lp

I guess maybe there isn't much to say here. Just a quote.

Kate Cook27 said:Ukraine within its 1991 borders.

We'll see.

Bryan Booth82 said:It is a massive mistake to try and view today's geopolitical landscape through the lens of the 1930s. 🤔
Lp

Not really. It all boils down to the same thing; it’s just different alliances, I guess.

Russia is mobilizing men in the occupied territories—no one over 18 is being let go.

http://www.mobile.twitter.com/Podoly...Cy9c-k1tYrAAAA

Even Mariupol isn't being spared; they’ve been rounding people up and dragging them off to Donetsk. Apparently, the referendum process is moving forward in the city, too. Local collaborators have been handing over lists of "unsuitable" Ukrainians—it's pretty grim. The occupying forces have several guards stationed there, and there were explosions in Mariupol again today. Honestly, it's still unclear exactly what went down.

As someone from the DNR, I’ll call him John—he was from Donetsk. He passed away just a few days before his twentieth birthday, or maybe a few days after—it's hard to be certain. It looks like his parents won't even get to bring him home. They were originally told he was gone and that they'd receive his body later, but then they were recently informed that simply isn't going to happen. Just another young life lost forever.

Lisa Patel4 said:I guess maybe there isn't much to say here. Just a quote.

We'll see.

Not really. It all boils down to the same thing; it’s just different alliances, I guess.

I don't think so... because back in the 1930s, my great-grandfather had nine children, then my grandfather followed with six, and from those groups, "only" one or two survived to adulthood... it's a massive trend spanning from China to Russia, and eventually right here to us in the West.
The population is shrinking everywhere.🤔

When you look at it that way, this reality casts a completely different light on why wars happen and why there's such a desperate drive to "seize" neighboring territory.
And don't even get me started on how fast information travels now, or how "educated" everyone claims to be... etcetera, etcetera.
The people pulling the strings in Moscow aren't fighting a real war anymore... what on earth are they even doing?🤔

Most of the population lives in urban centers today anyway....

lp

Revenger20 said:Honestly, I’m just sitting here waiting for someone to liberate us from the Republican Party—but it doesn't look like it's happening anytime soon. ☕

You’ve got to fight for it. I'm fully behind that struggle—Donetsk will be liberated. Once that happens, you should definitely come out to Ukraine so we can celebrate together. You can swing by Donetsk or even head over to Mariupol.

Lisa Patel4 said:I actually think we’re seeing that knot being untied again. By rejecting the international order, Russia has essentially tossed out every agreement made after the war. Yalta and Potsdam don't matter anymore; a new round is starting.

I guess the Mexicans were technically right about Mexico in their own madness. Once you seize a recognized nation by force, you open a Pandora’s box. And it’s never closing. Ever. Ukraine is just the beginning. Too many countries are dissatisfied; they're just staying quiet for now.

I don't know who will win. Or if anyone even will.

And remember one thing. The Canadians and Poles are just waiting for their chance at Zakarpattia and Galicia.

Why didn't you mention this already happened before Mexico? Oh, right—because Russia had their hands in it, so we just skip over that part.
Abkhazia and Ossetia from Georgia, Transnistria from Moldova...
That's how Russia opened the Pandora's box, and now they're just playing with it in Ukraine.

MrBeast said:When Mussolini took charge, he became the blueprint for everyone dreaming of a powerhouse state—one that ignores democracy entirely in favor of raw, unadulterated power.

Maybe we Americans don't realize how often we vote for little fiefdoms run by local bullies, but for any nation actually paying attention, Putin’s potential success serves as a roadmap for restoring centralized state authority.

I suppose it’s a common dream to live under some petty local boss rather than in a country that actually sets its own rules.

If history has taught us anything, it's whether it's actually healthier to live under a small-time tyrant than some corporate alpha male overlord. 😁